He will, but most likely on the wing.
Sneijder or Modric?
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He will, but most likely on the wing.
I voted Sneijder, but in honesty I don't think either one of them is the ideal signing. An Essien of two years ago would do for me.
When I've seen him for Madrid, Holland or Inter there's been nothing to suggest that he can play effectively as a centre mid for us, and in some cases there being plenty to suggest he can't play there with the most obvious example being when he was played there under Schuster and they were very open through the middle and he was physically overwhelmed, but there's a number of people who did watch him at Ajax and think it's ludicrous to suggest he can't play there so maybe he can.
With the way Sir Alex has praised Chicharito it just doesn't seem at all possible that he'd even consider bringing Sneijder in without thinking there's a way he could fit him, Chicharito and Rooney in the same team. He played on the left a lot for Madrid so maybe he could play there with Rooney drifting to the left as he loves to to try and replicate the Gerrard-Rooney partnership that worked quite well under Capello? I didn't really like Sneijder there either though.
You can't play every player we have at the same time, somehow players will miss how, like how Nani, Carrick and Park missed out. It is good to have options on the bench, which is what Hernandez is offering.
If we were to sign Sneijder, I believe the Euro away team would look like:
---------------------De Gea?-----------------
Rafael-------Ferdinand--------Vidic-------Evra
---------------Carrick-------Fletcher----------
Valencia-------------Sneijder-------------Park
---------------------Rooney------------------
lads....we signed two massive signings in the summer before...2001, veron and RvN in the same summer on big money.
we could do it again this summer....a summer where we really need to add quality.
we could do it again this summer....a summer where we really need to add quality.
How anyone can value Modric higher than Sneijder is beyond me. Let's not forget he was the best (arguably) player during the WC 2010. What has Modric actually achieved? I think Fergie would make some adjustments to the team in order to bring him in, easily worth it.
His stats are not all that impressive to be honest, considering the position he's playing in...
This season: 37 games, 7 goals, 9 assists
Previous season Serie A: 26 games, 4 goals, 6 assists
I've stated before that I think Sneijder is a bit overrated. He had one season where he did quite well in the Champions League and the World Cup, but in the league he was far less impressive. And this year he wasn't that great as well in either competition.
He's also injured regularly it seems and I don't like his ego/character. Fighting on the pitch with a team mate because you want to take a free kick is not something I'd like to see at United.
So my choice would be Modric.
I voted for Modric but signing them both could set our midfield for another Premiership domination for at least 5 years and propably longer.
Im not even taking the pis, i reckon we should try for both.
would have loved to have seen that side on saturday
[Open can of worms] In that summer we weren't under the ownership of the Glazers [/Close can of worms]
Well Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves were under the Glazer ownership.
Add Tevez to that list.
I guess tevez was some odd 'loan'/rental deal.
i wouldn't say anderson and nani were as 'big time' as RvN was at that time period.
and Veron vs. Hargreaves isn't even close.
we brought in blanc as well that summer (pretty cheap). i'd say that was probably our most massive transfer summer ever.
Modric would take less alteration to the team. Sneijder would require us to change how we normally play and possibly cramp Rooney since he'd play in the hole. I like Sneijder better, but I think Modric would be the easier player to fit in the team.
We're going to do it this year if we bring in De Gea (17m) and one between Modric/Sneijder. To be honest I can't see us spend 80m expecially if SAF has already Ashley Young in the bag (another 15m).
Modric can play in a 2 men central midfield but Sneijder is a better player. We won't be able to beat Barcelona with just a 2 men central midfield. On the other hand a midfield made up of Fletch (playing like Busquets), Carrick (playing like Xavi) and Sneijder stand a realistic chance of competing against Barca.
I'd love Modric in the team. He'd be the ideal replacement for Scholes as a deep lying playmaker.
I think both of them will be out of our reach in terms of prices though.
I think both of them will be out of our reach in terms of prices though.
Modric as he can play in a midfield 2 and is already suited to the English game / lifestyle etc.
Modric would be my preferred choice because he is comfortable in any position in the midfield -- deep lying playmaker, advanced attacking midfielder, as well as left and right midfielder -- defensively responsible, as well as creative in a subtly different way to most of the other players mentioned on here over recent years.
Most of the players that are labeled as 'creative central midfielders' are in fact predominantly attacking midfielders (i.e. they are most effective ahead of a midfield two). Even Cesc Fabregas' most productive football in recent years is a result of switching to that role. Many of those players probably could operate quite comfortably in a midfield two in a majority of games, but it's nevertheless important to make the distinction because some of them are just not suited to that type of role at all (Pastore, for example), while others would lose some of their attraction through less effective performance.
It's also important to make the distinction (apart from simple accuracy) because it should help to inform our opinions about what kind of player United should be looking for. For example, is there currently a need for a genuine attacking midfielder? Is it realistic to expect any player in a midfield two to consistently create and score goals? Or is there actually a need for a different kind of creative player -- a deeper lying playmaker that controls possession, is creative in the sense that they distribute the ball to the attacking players (wide players, attacking fullbacks, and forwards), as well as positionally, tactically, and defensively intelligent?
Quite naturally, any player that operates in a midfield two is going to find it difficult to be creative in the sense that some on here obviously mean. I can't think of many players in the modern era who operate in a midfield two that consistently create and/or score goals, which is why I have always believed that to be an unrealistic demand. The ones that do so are afforded the extra freedom of a midfield three (i.e. Lampard).
One of Modric's most attractive qualities, in my opinion, is that he appears comfortable with the responsibilities of the modern central midfielder. He has adapted remarkably well to the hustle and bustle of the PL midfield battle, while at the same time still being capable of imposing himself on and influencing a game when in possession. He also has a fantastic and imaginative range of passing -- both short and long -- and he is able to travel with the ball, as well as beat a player.
An ability to travel with the ball and beat a player from central midfield is both rare and extremely effective -- as Giggs has shown -- particularly as many teams still defend in fairly straight lines. It causes enormous problems for a retreating back four once the midfield line has been breached, meaning that any defender that eventually steps out to meet the player on the ball automatically leaves space for the forwards to make runs in to.
In the deeper areas of pitch, Modric's ability to play his way out of trouble by playing a short one-two or turning on the ball and travelling with it allows the team to retain possession and initiate attacks, rather than attempting the much riskier long or direct pass which has a greater chance of being cut out, and which inevitably invites more pressure on to the back four.
Most of the players that are labeled as 'creative central midfielders' are in fact predominantly attacking midfielders (i.e. they are most effective ahead of a midfield two). Even Cesc Fabregas' most productive football in recent years is a result of switching to that role. Many of those players probably could operate quite comfortably in a midfield two in a majority of games, but it's nevertheless important to make the distinction because some of them are just not suited to that type of role at all (Pastore, for example), while others would lose some of their attraction through less effective performance.
It's also important to make the distinction (apart from simple accuracy) because it should help to inform our opinions about what kind of player United should be looking for. For example, is there currently a need for a genuine attacking midfielder? Is it realistic to expect any player in a midfield two to consistently create and score goals? Or is there actually a need for a different kind of creative player -- a deeper lying playmaker that controls possession, is creative in the sense that they distribute the ball to the attacking players (wide players, attacking fullbacks, and forwards), as well as positionally, tactically, and defensively intelligent?
Quite naturally, any player that operates in a midfield two is going to find it difficult to be creative in the sense that some on here obviously mean. I can't think of many players in the modern era who operate in a midfield two that consistently create and/or score goals, which is why I have always believed that to be an unrealistic demand. The ones that do so are afforded the extra freedom of a midfield three (i.e. Lampard).
One of Modric's most attractive qualities, in my opinion, is that he appears comfortable with the responsibilities of the modern central midfielder. He has adapted remarkably well to the hustle and bustle of the PL midfield battle, while at the same time still being capable of imposing himself on and influencing a game when in possession. He also has a fantastic and imaginative range of passing -- both short and long -- and he is able to travel with the ball, as well as beat a player.
An ability to travel with the ball and beat a player from central midfield is both rare and extremely effective -- as Giggs has shown -- particularly as many teams still defend in fairly straight lines. It causes enormous problems for a retreating back four once the midfield line has been breached, meaning that any defender that eventually steps out to meet the player on the ball automatically leaves space for the forwards to make runs in to.
In the deeper areas of pitch, Modric's ability to play his way out of trouble by playing a short one-two or turning on the ball and travelling with it allows the team to retain possession and initiate attacks, rather than attempting the much riskier long or direct pass which has a greater chance of being cut out, and which inevitably invites more pressure on to the back four.
Please let it be Modric
modric would be a direct replacement for scholes.
sneijder would improve our chance in europe. that's all...
sneijder would improve our chance in europe. that's all...
Except that isn't going to happen.
So he'd benefit us against Barca, Inter, Real etc but wouldn't benefit us against the likes of West Brom, Sunderland or Villa?
Why?
And Sneijder is far more like Scholes than Modric, Sneijder is one who rarely sprints, sprays passes around, great boot on him etc.
Sneijder likes to run with the ball, take the odd man on and make short to mid-range passes, I'd compare him more to someone like Ozil, not in terms of ability but in style.
what i meant is i see modric as a deep lying playmaker like scholes of the last few years. yes he runs and is more mobile than scholes but he has proven to be a decent deep lying playmaker for spurs..
and i didn't say sneijder will not benefit us against the west broms or sunderlands...he definitely will..
signing modric will be great news. but he will take the scholes' slot, and compare to this season, i don't think there will be a big improvement in our midfield.
singing sneijder as well, and then that is a major improvement in our midfield.
What I think many are doing as you are, and I'm not being intentionally patronising or anything so apologies if that's how it seems, but you're assuming the player coming in needs to be a direct replacement in style to the one they're 'replacing'.
After Keane left, there was vast speculation who we'd be buying. The consensus was we'd automatically be after a voracious Keane-type and there was calls for us to get Kevin Nolan from Bolton, Nigel Reo-Coker from West Ham and Gennaro Gattuso from Milan purely because they were the most similar in style to Keane.
As it turned out, there was mass shock when we went after Carrick and the questions were asked why when he was so different in style. Ultimately, Carrick has been a great buy.
This instance is the same now as well; I'm sure we'll be linked with a hundred different players and the usual suspects like Modric and Sneijder will be touted but perhaps Fergie might spring a surprise.
Basically, all I'm saying is don't automatically assume we'll go for someone who'll slot in Scholes' position purely because he plays like him. In reality, neither Keane nor Scholes were full-time regular starters for United anyway by the time they packed up, prior to Carrick arriving we played O'Shea and Giggs in the middle and this time around we've played every man and his dog without a regular nailed down centre midfielder.
no problem with that mate..
i agree a successor doesn't need to be exactly like the predecessor..it is just because the topic is about modric or sneijder, so i used modric as an example. and he is playing in the same position as scholes. so it is an easy comparison really..
i agree a successor doesn't need to be exactly like the predecessor..it is just because the topic is about modric or sneijder, so i used modric as an example. and he is playing in the same position as scholes. so it is an easy comparison really..
The problem Spurs have is they got Van Der Vaart who is a very good attacking midfielder and pulls a lot of strings in the side. As a result, it's led to Modric having less of an influence going forward meaning his deep lying role is a requirement, not a necessity perhaps and it seems to me he's wasted a little bit back there when I've seen him taking on the opposition with a dummy and a feint which is his forte...he's better going forward and would be good in the last third.
Super duper luka for me.
Either.
As a footballer - not as a lover Trigg
Oh, in that case. Neither.
It's a no brainer - Sneijder can't play in a 2 man midfield so would require a complete change in formation, wheras Modric would slot right in.
Can't or hasn't?
IMO Sneijder plays like Scholes. Modric like Deco....
I voted others
Banega would be my first choice
Tenacious, quick in the tackle, impeccable ball retention and distribution under pressure with an eye for the defense splitting option, excellent awareness of space and always available for a pass, he is one of the most complete young midfielders out there.
On Sneijder and Modric, I think Sneijder is the better goalscoring creative midfielder but Modric's versatility and premier league experience is a big plus.
Between Sneijder and Modric, I would opt for Sneijder if we already have Banega
Banega would be my first choice
Tenacious, quick in the tackle, impeccable ball retention and distribution under pressure with an eye for the defense splitting option, excellent awareness of space and always available for a pass, he is one of the most complete young midfielders out there.
On Sneijder and Modric, I think Sneijder is the better goalscoring creative midfielder but Modric's versatility and premier league experience is a big plus.
Between Sneijder and Modric, I would opt for Sneijder if we already have Banega
Sneijder can, the same drivel was also said about Modric until last season.
I'd go for Modric.. Sneijder plays more of the creative number 10 role than strictly a central midfielder, but Rooney's made that his own, of late... And of course, Modric's proven in the PL.
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