Sir Alex’s biggest mistakes

Fall out over a racehorse ….enter the glazers

That mistake is in a league of it’s own at the top.
I’ve a feeling it could get worse before it gets better.

I'm beginning to wonder if SAF had any involvement in ending somewhat prematurely Ralf Rangnick's time at the club. It is as if the people at the top are like a Russian Politburo from the Cold War and if you dare say anything bad about the organisation, you disappear....

Do you think there will come a time when there is a bit of a backlash? For example, yesterday there was a small protest against the Glazers, but nobody ever dares to protest against the man who was partly instrumental in the Glazer's becoming owners. Is it because of his record? Is it because he is still involved in decision making at the club and some people hope he (with Gill and Robson and maybe even Steve McLaren) can bring things back to how they once were?

I suppose its a bit like how on this site there are a whole bunch of people who wont hear a bad word against Ronaldo who yesterday played 30 mins and scored zero, assisted zero, no shots on target, no shots off target, zero attempted dribbles 6 touches and 4 passes - yet he is being talked up today as one of the successes from the Brighton match! Who helped bring in the Glazers, who brought in Moyes, who helped bring in Ronaldo - there is a pattern here is there not? Who got rid of RR - I bet he had a hand in that too, because RR wanted Ronaldo gone in January which would have made SAFs phonecall in August look like a mistake... Yesterday, when the camera panned to SAF taking his seat in the Directors box, I can't have been the only one thinking: "oh, for fecks sake".
 
Fall out over a racehorse ….enter the glazers

That mistake is in a league of it’s own at the top.
I’ve a feeling it could get worse before it gets better.

Despite his stellar record, history will not be so kind to Ferguson as his central role in bringing the Glazers to United and doing their bidding - even today - will not be airbrushed away.
 
I made a thread a few years before he retired stating that he probably should build a young gifted team for the next manager,, he really didn't, we won in spite of the Glazers because he was so good. He also anointed Moyes which was a huge mistake.
 
I made a thread a few years before he retired stating that he probably should build a young gifted team for the next manager,, he really didn't, we won in spite of the Glazers because he was so good. He also anointed Moyes which was a huge mistake.

Yes. People keep going on about Moyes and rightly so, but it was a double-mistake in my opinion. It wasn't just the choice of Moyes that was the problem, it was who they rejected before Moyes, that could be considered an even bigger mistake.

I'm sure I have read on here that Mourinho was considered ten years ago, but Sir Alex and Sir Bobby decided he wasn't the right 'fit' for Manchester United. A bit to much "Me, Me, Me...". Perhaps Sir Alex hadn't forgiven him for that celebration as Porto Manager in 2004, who knows? Perhaps Sir Alex wanted his successor to be someone he could have influence over and Jose Mourinho was never going to be that.

As it turned out, when Sir Alex had less authority, Mourinho was eventually appointed by Man United and although it turned into a bit of a nightmare in 2018, he is still the last manager to win a trophy for us and perhaps if he had been appointed to succeed Sir Alex straight away, there would have been a much smoother transition.
 
Yes. People keep going on about Moyes and rightly so, but it was a double-mistake in my opinion. It wasn't just the choice of Moyes that was the problem, it was who they rejected before Moyes, that could be considered an even bigger mistake.

I'm sure I have read on here that Mourinho was considered ten years ago, but Sir Alex and Sir Bobby decided he wasn't the right 'fit' for Manchester United. A bit to much "Me, Me, Me...". Perhaps Sir Alex hadn't forgiven him for that celebration as Porto Manager in 2004, who knows? Perhaps Sir Alex wanted his successor to be someone he could have influence over and Jose Mourinho was never going to be that.

As it turned out, when Sir Alex had less authority, Mourinho was eventually appointed by Man United and although it turned into a bit of a nightmare in 2018, he is still the last manager to win a trophy for us and perhaps if he had been appointed to succeed Sir Alex straight away, there would have been a much smoother transition.

Nah if I recall correctly Alex wanted Pep, who was already promised or on the way to Bayern or Jose who was on his way back to Chelsea so somehow he settled on Moyes. I think sentimentality kicked in there and he probably wanted another Scot in charge of the team and someone who was known to also have a DoF way of management at Everton. He also wanted Klopp instead of Van Gaal but it seemed like his route to Liverpool was already decided then. We missed out on the top two coaches in the world after Fergie left.
 
I know people won't agree but selling Beckham was a mistake . That too for 25m.
 
Selling his soul to the Glazers with his no value in the market comment when he should of been spending money on preparing the squad for the next manager instead of leaving the squad full of invalids that needed a complete revamp.
 
I know people won't agree but selling Beckham was a mistake . That too for 25m.
Beckham is one of my favourite United players of all time and I was absolutely devastated when he left but looking back it was the correct decision to move him on. He was on the decline and it was clear that football wasn't his main focus anymore. I chalk the Beckham sale as another great example of Fergie knowing when to move a player on.
 
I know people won't agree but selling Beckham was a mistake . That too for 25m.
Becks had a rather average 2002/03 season (still good, but compared to his previous United seasons not so good). His wife had also wanted out for ages as she was spending much more time in London than in Manchester anyway.
His decline had slowly started and it was the right time to go as much as it hurt back then.
I mean the fact alone that he was already in the US when at the same time his friends Giggs and Scholes - who are btw older than him - were winning a PL and CL double says all about his priorities in his latter years.
His time here was priceless and in his peak years I would never have swapped him with any other player in the world, but all things come to an end at some stage.
 
Fall out over a racehorse ….enter the glazers

That mistake is in a league of it’s own at the top.
I’ve a feeling it could get worse before it gets better.
The Glazer debacle is definitely the most costly thing to the club in terms of severity. It has truly brought the club to its knees.

Worst obvious clear cut decision was Moyes.

The two are linked, unfortunately
 
I personally dont think he left a good squad to his successor. And i dont know how much of that was on him personally.

But it was arguably his worst side that had won a title. The mainstays and genuinely world class players were at the end of their time here - Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs. I’d argue RVP only had that last season in him and was too injury prone and Rooney/Carrick wouldnt be major players much beyond that. We didnt have a good structure as a club so no transition and recruitment drive had been prepared.

If you look at the rest of the squad - Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Evans, Chicarito, Nani, Young, Welbeck, Cleverley, Kagawa.

Some solid players there but Totally uninspiring.

Looking at that personnel and the circumstances it was going to be nigh on impossible for there to not be a huge decline when he left regardless of what manager came in. That squad needed a rebuild there and then. It set us on a bad path which we are still on today.

At our buy rate I estimate it will take ETH 3 summer transfer windows to assemble a first 11 of players that he needs to play how he wants and get the deadwood out. Its unfair to expect much achievement in that time. I Cant see him getting the time, much like the rest of the managers post SAF
 
Ive said this before. Fergie had 7 years to win the league. He was runner up twice, but he also finished 13th and 11th in those 7 years. He also had the pick of the British players with the highest spend and the attraction of plsying for Utd was the biggest pull Different era, but if Fergie was 45 coming in now, he would be exactly the same as Moyes, through to Ole and fired after 2/3 seasons.
 
I personally dont think he left a good squad to his successor. And i dont know how much of that was on him personally.

But it was arguably his worst side that had won a title. The mainstays and genuinely world class players were at the end of their time here - Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs. I’d argue RVP only had that last season in him and was too injury prone and Rooney/Carrick wouldnt be major players much beyond that. We didnt have a good structure as a club so no transition and recruitment drive had been prepared.

If you look at the rest of the squad - Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Valencia, Evans, Chicarito, Nani, Young, Welbeck, Cleverley, Kagawa.

Some solid players there but Totally uninspiring.

Looking at that personnel and the circumstances it was going to be nigh on impossible for there to not be a huge decline when he left regardless of what manager came in. That squad needed a rebuild there and then. It set us on a bad path which we are still on today.

At our buy rate I estimate it will take ETH 3 summer transfer windows to assemble a first 11 of players that he needs to play how he wants and get the deadwood out. Its unfair to expect much achievement in that time. I Cant see him getting the time, much like the rest of the managers post SAF

I will be very surprised if it is not in ETHs contract that he achieves Champions League qualification this season, because to miss out two seasons running will have severe cost implications, not to mention problems attracting players. This is a shame because that is going to be very difficult indeed. I also fear he will but disinclined to really experiment with younger players who might be successful down the line. Nobody gets the chance to do a massive rebuild here, even though that's what is needed.

I think we should put every effort possible into targeting success in the Europa Cup.
 
Taking the Glazers side was pretty bad.

Well bad for the fans, but for him and his family.... not so much. As others have said, its a shrewd move of the Glazers to keep him as an associate director and now part of the new thinktank with David Gill and Bryan Robson. Stops him speaking out, although if he did, it might come across as a bit 'after the horse has bolted' (pun intended).
 
I will be very surprised if it is not in ETHs contract that he achieves Champions League qualification this season, because to miss out two seasons running will have severe cost implications, not to mention problems attracting players. This is a shame because that is going to be very difficult indeed. I also fear he will but disinclined to really experiment with younger players who might be successful down the line. Nobody gets the chance to do a massive rebuild here, even though that's what is needed.

I think we should put every effort possible into targeting success in the Europa Cup.

I’m inclined to agree. But we probably have the least balanced squad of the teams in the top 6 and lacking quality. We dont really have a suitable starting option at RB, 2XCM, RW, ST. Also question marks about the RCB(maguire form vs varane fitness issues), LB(Malacia looks a backup to Shaw at present whos form is dire), LW(Rashford form). Thats 8 players.

The europa league probably presents an easier route than the league to champions league, however its no mugs competition as we have found out. Difficult season ahead
 
Well bad for the fans, but for him and his family.... not so much. As others have said, its a shrewd move of the Glazers to keep him as an associate director and now part of the new thinktank with David Gill and Bryan Robson. Stops him speaking out, although if he did, it might come across as a bit 'after the horse has bolted' (pun intended).
At the same time he sees all his work to achieve the biggest club in the world status turn into a circus. He was essentially the only person the Glazers needed and as long as he gave them the green light they were in good stead.
 
Not cutting bait with the Glazers, putting up with their “value in the market” nonsense, and not openly calling for their removal. He gets paid quite well to sit on that board and I doubt he cares much about this club any more. Infact the more shambolic it is now, the more his reputation and legend deservedly rises.

As to his waning and waxing influence on the board (probably the lowest after Moyes got sacked, and now on a up with Woodward gone), I’m convinced he’s had a hand in the meteoric rise of Fletcher (recall Kean’s comments during their playing days), and the main reason why the club persists with a sub-standard player like McTom (slim chance he’s another late bloomer like Fletcher).
 
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Not cutting bait with the Glazers, putting up with their “value in the market” nonsense, and not openly calling for their removal. He gets paid quite well to sit on that board and I doubt he cares much about this club any more. Infact the more shambolic it is now, the more his reputation and legend deservedly rises.

As to his waning and waxing influence on the board (probably the lowest after Moyes got sacked, and now on a up with Woodward gone), I’m convinced he’s had a hand in the meteoric rise of Fletcher (recall Kean’s comments during their playing days), and the main reason why the club persists with a sub-standard player like McTom (slim chance he’s another late bloomer like Fletcher).
Fully agree with the Scottish bit. There was talk of signing McGinn from Villa during Oles stint and if he was still manager I bet we would have been chasing him this summer.
 
Not cutting bait with the Glazers, putting up with their “value in the market” nonsense, and not openly calling for their removal. He gets paid quite well to sit on that board and I doubt he cares much about this club any more. Infact the more shambolic it is now, the more his reputation and legend deservedly rises.

As to his waning and waxing influence on the board (probably the lowest after Moyes got sacked, and now on a up with Woodward gone), I’m convinced he’s had a hand in the meteoric rise of Fletcher (recall Kean’s comments during their playing days), and the main reason why the club persists with a sub-standard player like McTom (slim chance he’s another late bloomer like Fletcher).

I get what you are saying (although I did have to google 'cutting bait'!), but I take issue with this: "I doubt he cares much about this club any more." I'm sure he does, but he is not going to risk the £4 million a year he gets by openly criticising the American owners.

I also disagree with this: "......the more shambolic it is now, the more his reputation and legend deservedly rises." for a number of reasons:

i) Sir Alex took 4/5 years to get United winning stuff - nobody would get that amount of time now. People on here have said selecting Moyes was his biggest mistake. I'm not sure about that - possibly it was not sticking with him for longer that was the problem; he could have used his power to push for that (although he would have had to admit to the owners that he hadn't left the team in a good place, when he'd retired).
ii) When Alex was manager he often had one or two main rivals (Blackburn, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City) but the overall strength of the league was nothing like it is now.
iii) Man United were able to blow pretty much all the other English teams out of the water in the transfer market e.g. Rio Ferdinand in 2002 for £30 million. That is £120 million in todays money, for a defender!
iv) Made numerous mistakes in the transfer market: selling players too soon (e.g. Stamm), buying disappointing players (loads I could mention) and towards the end not strengthening the midfield at all. This left a poor squad for his successor which brings me back to point (i) whomever replaced him should never have had to work under the contracted target of 'must get top-4', it was almost impossible. When I say this people always come back at me with, but he'd just won the league. That is true, but 2012-13 was an odd season. Robin Van Persie scored 26 goals and got the Premier League golden boot. His stellar performances basically dragged United to that title, despite weaknesses in other areas of the pitch.

But most importantly:

v) Sir Alex Ferguson has contributed to the shambolic events at Old Trafford, even as recently as last August: getting Ronaldo back - an issue that is still causing a big problem today.

I don't think Sir Alex's reputation is rising, on the contrary more and more people are beginning to think that whilst he stays involved in decision making at the club - as part of the new Gill/Robson/Ferguson thinktank - he risks harming his reputation, which has already taken a hit because of his involvement in the Glazer buyout. I think there is a tendency to look back at the 90s through rose-tinted spectacles, nostalgia is a powerful thing. Eric Cantona is a good example of this: King Eric... United's saviour, but what would Red Cafe have been like after Galatasaray knocked us out of the second round of the European Cup in 1994, if club forums had existed, back then!?

Perhaps to keep his 'legendary status' Sir Alex Ferguson should have cut ties his with the club in 2013 completely, but free money is difficult to turn down. Can I finish with a question: do any other top clubs keep their ex-managers on the payroll and involved in 'consulting' roles? I can't think of one.
 
I get what you are saying (although I did have to google 'cutting bait'!), but I take issue with this: "I doubt he cares much about this club any more." I'm sure he does, but he is not going to risk the £4 million a year he gets by openly criticising the American owners.

I also disagree with this: "......the more shambolic it is now, the more his reputation and legend deservedly rises." for a number of reasons:

i) Sir Alex took 4/5 years to get United winning stuff - nobody would get that amount of time now. People on here have said selecting Moyes was his biggest mistake. I'm not sure about that - possibly it was not sticking with him for longer that was the problem; he could have used his power to push for that (although he would have had to admit to the owners that he hadn't left the team in a good place, when he'd retired).
ii) When Alex was manager he often had one or two main rivals (Blackburn, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City) but the overall strength of the league was nothing like it is now.
iii) Man United were able to blow pretty much all the other English teams out of the water in the transfer market e.g. Rio Ferdinand in 2002 for £30 million. That is £120 million in todays money, for a defender!
iv) Made numerous mistakes in the transfer market: selling players too soon (e.g. Stamm), buying disappointing players (loads I could mention) and towards the end not strengthening the midfield at all. This left a poor squad for his successor which brings me back to point (i) whomever replaced him should never have had to work under the contracted target of 'must get top-4', it was almost impossible. When I say this people always come back at me with, but he'd just won the league. That is true, but 2012-13 was an odd season. Robin Van Persie scored 26 goals and got the Premier League golden boot. His stellar performances basically dragged United to that title, despite weaknesses in other areas of the pitch.

But most importantly:

v) Sir Alex Ferguson has contributed to the shambolic events at Old Trafford, even as recently as last August: getting Ronaldo back - an issue that is still causing a big problem today.

I don't think Sir Alex's reputation is rising, on the contrary more and more people are beginning to think that whilst he stays involved in decision making at the club - as part of the new Gill/Robson/Ferguson thinktank - he risks harming his reputation, which has already taken a hit because of his involvement in the Glazer buyout. I think there is a tendency to look back at the 90s through rose-tinted spectacles, nostalgia is a powerful thing. Eric Cantona is a good example of this: King Eric... United's saviour, but what would Red Cafe have been like after Galatasaray knocked us out of the second round of the European Cup in 1994, if club forums had existed, back then!?

Perhaps to keep his 'legendary status' Sir Alex Ferguson should have cut ties his with the club in 2013 completely, but free money is difficult to turn down. Can I finish with a question: do any other top clubs keep their ex-managers on the payroll and involved in 'consulting' roles? I can't think of one.
Hey oppo fan on a mission to blame SAF for everything bad happening in the world. Actual United fans who have followed the club for decades have already listed his “mistakes” which you can count on one hand. His successes and legendary status are in the record books forever. You may not like it, but that’s how it is. Now better stop repeating yourself with incredibly long posts about evil SAF.
 
Hey oppo fan on a mission to blame SAF for everything bad happening in the world. Actual United fans who have followed the club for decades have already listed his “mistakes” which you can count on one hand. His successes and legendary status are in the record books forever. You may not like it, but that’s how it is. Now better stop repeating yourself with incredibly long posts about evil SAF.
He's a WUM that was banned earlier this year. I'm surprised the mods haven't banned him again unless he was given another chance.
 
Becoming a kingmaker and then deciding as his first masterstroke that Moyes was his rightful successor: on the count of him being a miserable, leather-skinned git.

Moyes then proceeded to appoint Fellaini as a top henchman and that pretty much kicked started the decline.
 
He's a WUM that was banned earlier this year. I'm surprised the mods haven't banned him again unless he was given another chance.

I was actually banned 7 years ago when I made some criticisms of the club regarding the Rojo signing (he couldn't play in his first United game in Europe because of a passport issue, which seemed very odd) I did also make some small comments about SAF and the Glazers and Moyes... it was absolutely jumped on by the cafe and by the mods.

Interestingly, 7 years later Red Cafe has a thread on Sir Alex's mistakes: Moyes/the Glazers and many others too. The mods allow it & many people share my views. Which just goes to prove my point - as time passes people are beginning to wake up and smell the roses, the mess United are in now can be traced back to the decisions of one man: older fans just don't want to accept it, but younger ones will.

I understand his record is there and I accept that, but as regards his reputation, that has been and is being tarnished, because of his unwillingness to step away.
 
I was actually banned 7 years ago when I made some criticisms of the club regarding the Rojo signing (he couldn't play in his first United game in Europe because of a passport issue, which seemed very odd) I did also make some small comments about SAF and the Glazers and Moyes... it was absolutely jumped on by the cafe and by the mods.

Interestingly, 7 years later Red Cafe has a thread on Sir Alex's mistakes: Moyes/the Glazers and many others too. The mods allow it & many people share my views. Which just goes to prove my point - as time passes people are beginning to wake up and smell the roses, the mess United are in now can be traced back to the decisions of one man: older fans just don't want to accept it, but younger ones will.

I understand his record is there and I accept that, but as regards his reputation, that has been and is being tarnished, because of his unwillingness to step away.

Reported: Returner.

Mods, sort him out.
 
Beckham is one of my favourite United players of all time and I was absolutely devastated when he left but looking back it was the correct decision to move him on. He was on the decline and it was clear that football wasn't his main focus anymore. I chalk the Beckham sale as another great example of Fergie knowing when to move a player on.

Your points total dropped for a couple of seasons after Beckham left. Beckham had incredible stamina and was still good enough to be playing for Milan at the age of 35
 
Becoming a kingmaker and then deciding as his first masterstroke that Moyes was his rightful successor: on the count of him being a miserable, leather-skinned git.

Moyes then proceeded to appoint Fellaini as a top henchman and that pretty much kicked started the decline.

I don't understand how people still run with the narrative that Moyes was the first choice when everything points to that not being the case at all. Some of us still remember the meeting with Pep in NYC before he even announced his retirement, we've all heard from Klopp himself that he talked with Sir Alex but he couldn't leave Dortmund at the time, the only other option was Mourinho who would've been gone in 2/3 years.
 
Because we were going through a transition between 2004 and 2006.

The transition was because you sold arguably your best player who was perfect for laying it on the plate for Van Big Nose. You went from champs on 83 points with Beckham to finishing 3rd on 75 and 77 points without him
 
The transition was because you sold arguably your best player who was perfect for laying it on the plate for Van Big Nose. You went from champs on 83 points with Beckham to finishing 3rd on 75 and 77 points without him
:lol: Hardly a huge difference. We wouldn’t have won the title in those years with 83 points either so who cares. All that matters was that between 2004 and 2006 we were just not as good as Arsenal / Chelsea, with or without Beckham.
And Becks was too old from 2006/07 to match what Ronaldo did then for us. And Ronaldo wouldn’t have developed the way he did if he was sharing games with Becks. It’s not even in doubt really that United got rid exactly at the right time.
 
The transition was because you sold arguably your best player who was perfect for laying it on the plate for Van Big Nose. You went from champs on 83 points with Beckham to finishing 3rd on 75 and 77 points without him

But that allowed the team to evolve and win the Champions League again and go on to dominate English football

United could have kept Beckham but we were slowly moving to a 433 by that point.

The mistake was only selling him for 25 million.

Bigger mistakes were made post Ronaldo
 
But that allowed the team to evolve and win the Champions League again and go on to dominate English football

United could have kept Beckham but we were slowly moving to a 433 by that point.

The mistake was only selling him for 25 million.

Bigger mistakes were made post Ronaldo

I think you could of done all that while keeping Beckham. Beckham was generally given the role of playing as a DM/DLP at Real Madrid so would have easily transitioned into a midfield 3.

But then again maybe CR7 never becomes the player he could be if you keep Beckham.
 
I get what you are saying (although I did have to google 'cutting bait'!), but I take issue with this: "I doubt he cares much about this club any more." I'm sure he does, but he is not going to risk the £4 million a year he gets by openly criticising the American owners.

I also disagree with this: "......the more shambolic it is now, the more his reputation and legend deservedly rises." for a number of reasons:

i) Sir Alex took 4/5 years to get United winning stuff - nobody would get that amount of time now. People on here have said selecting Moyes was his biggest mistake. I'm not sure about that - possibly it was not sticking with him for longer that was the problem; he could have used his power to push for that (although he would have had to admit to the owners that he hadn't left the team in a good place, when he'd retired).
ii) When Alex was manager he often had one or two main rivals (Blackburn, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, City) but the overall strength of the league was nothing like it is now.
iii) Man United were able to blow pretty much all the other English teams out of the water in the transfer market e.g. Rio Ferdinand in 2002 for £30 million. That is £120 million in todays money, for a defender!
iv) Made numerous mistakes in the transfer market: selling players too soon (e.g. Stamm), buying disappointing players (loads I could mention) and towards the end not strengthening the midfield at all. This left a poor squad for his successor which brings me back to point (i) whomever replaced him should never have had to work under the contracted target of 'must get top-4', it was almost impossible. When I say this people always come back at me with, but he'd just won the league. That is true, but 2012-13 was an odd season. Robin Van Persie scored 26 goals and got the Premier League golden boot. His stellar performances basically dragged United to that title, despite weaknesses in other areas of the pitch.

But most importantly:

v) Sir Alex Ferguson has contributed to the shambolic events at Old Trafford, even as recently as last August: getting Ronaldo back - an issue that is still causing a big problem today.

I don't think Sir Alex's reputation is rising, on the contrary more and more people are beginning to think that whilst he stays involved in decision making at the club - as part of the new Gill/Robson/Ferguson thinktank - he risks harming his reputation, which has already taken a hit because of his involvement in the Glazer buyout. I think there is a tendency to look back at the 90s through rose-tinted spectacles, nostalgia is a powerful thing. Eric Cantona is a good example of this: King Eric... United's saviour, but what would Red Cafe have been like after Galatasaray knocked us out of the second round of the European Cup in 1994, if club forums had existed, back then!?

Perhaps to keep his 'legendary status' Sir Alex Ferguson should have cut ties his with the club in 2013 completely, but free money is difficult to turn down.
Can I finish with a question: do any other top clubs keep their ex-managers on the payroll and involved in 'consulting' roles? I can't think of one.
Solid points that are not without merit. However despite these , it cannot be denied that SAF is one of the greatest managers in any sport. He could only compete with what was infront of him. He took over this club when it was in a bad state and yes it took him 4/5 years to build the club, but he was also vocal, self-assured and had ambition. Moreover he didn’t have to deal with a group of penny-pinching parasitic owners and their stooges. You could say he was lucky, but luck favours the prepared, and it helps if you have talent. In hindsight, everything seems a bit primitive - English football wasn’t big business (relatively) - but hindsight is 20-20, he didn’t know what he didn’t know, only what was infront of him and his ambition. The all conquering success of MUFC coupled with the rise of a world-wide audience in the 90’s and into the early noughties was what made top-level English football a global brand, and that’s what brought in the money.

SAF faced significant challenges from the likes of Wenger and then after 2005, Chelsea and pre-Pep City. From 04/05 and till his retirement, despite the Glazers’ penny-pinching, SAF won 5 league titles and a UEFA CL cup. Pep and City (backed by a sovereign wealth fund with assets around $820 billion ) is now on 4 titles and no UEFA CL. Roman at Chelsea, from 05/06, despite making a billion pound loan and being the biggest spenders for years, managed 5 league titles and 2 CL.

Rose-tinted lenses are a powerful thing, but even being cognizant of it, there’s no denying SAF is a very very special man and one of the greatest managers ever. In some ways he was a pioneer in that dawn-period of then globalization of English football, and sports became more professional and specialized. Just like Micheal Jordan and the Bulls elevated the NBA around the world, SAF and Manchester United lead English Football into the next level.

Sadly, like the post-MJ Bulls, we’ve languished under our owners. And like many fans, as we continue to see our club fall further down, my view of SAF becomes more mixed. On one hand we think back to what he achieved even with the Glazers hamstringing him and his age catching up to him. Juxtaposed against the dreck we’ve endured for 9 years now, it’s almost like a Greek parable - we flew to close to the sun for too long. When I saw that Murtough had been tuned away in Turin like a sad puppy, for some reason I thought about Evra’s story about how he was recruited - “When Ferguson and David Gill came to meet me at Monaco it was worse than an interview from the CIA or FBI”. How pathetic can this club be under the Glazers, Arnold and Murtough.

Then on the other hand we see the interfering influence (refusing Jose the first time) and the old nepotism - unsubstantiated but I’m convinced he’s had a hand in people like Fletcher, McTom, Ole, Giggs getting positions they are not qualified for. Seeing him in the stands when the club are getting smashed, and yet him keeping his silence pisses me off. If he just issued a statement saying that the Glazers need to go, that would united this fractured fanbase and light a fire under the Glazers’ asses. But as you said, it’s hard to turn down that money. He’s 80 now and probably being prudent for the sake of his children and grandkids. And that’s why I say he doesn’t care for this club, atleast not enough to risk his family’s future.
Can I finish with a question: do any other top clubs keep their ex-managers on the payroll and involved in 'consulting' roles? I can't think of one.
Neither can I, and (I think) we all know why - to ensure he keeps his mouth shut and bonded to them (Glazers); I don’t think that a board member can be involved in a takeover bid. Pity that SAF can’t “bump”into Jim Ratcliffe and some other billionaires at pub and just fall into a conversation where they offer him percentage points in ownership if he agrees to be one of the frontmen of a takeover.
 
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