Simon Jordan on English media

sugar_kane said:
Many working class jobs can't be done from home.

He's a prick and he makes his point too bluntly but there is a legit debate to be had on WFH vs. being present, it's not as simple as one is good and the other is bad.

Unfortunately as with most topics these days there's no room for debate or nuance, you're either with us or against us.
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I can’t work from home I’m a steelworker but my missis works for the revenue and works from home and is abused daily by the Tory press
 
sugar_kane said:
Many working class jobs can't be done from home.

He's a prick and he makes his point too bluntly but there is a legit debate to be had on WFH vs. being present, it's not as simple as one is good and the other is bad.

Unfortunately as with most topics these days there's no room for debate or nuance, you're either with us or against us.
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Most office jobs can easily be done from home at its been proven by now that most office workers are actually more effective wfh.
 
Lay said:
His view on Salah was flimsy and Danny Murphy made him look silly when they were debating it.
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If Danny Murphy making you look silly isn’t pause for thought, then it’s a lost cause!
 
Lyng said:
Most office jobs can easily be done from home at its been proven by now that most office workers are actually more effective wfh.
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Depends very much on the role and industry. It's more nuanced than you make it out to be. "One size fits all" shouldn't be the solution either way.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Depends very much on the role and industry. It's more nuanced than you make it out to be. "One size fits all" shouldn't be the solution either way.
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Sure but none of those types of jobs are what we are talking about at United
 
izzydiggler said:
But what annoys me most about him, is how he constantly uses words that he doesn't seem to know the meaning of, sprouting continual 'word salad' to appear intelligent but often, they just don't make any sense.
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This, he speaks nonsense. I can't tell if Jim White is smarter than Jordan and can't be bothered to push him on his word choice, or is thick as shit and is impressed by Jordan's misuse of the thesaurus.
 
Jordan's just narky that they make him come in every day and listen to sensational Jim White
 
izzydiggler said:
Jordan is perfect for Talk Sport - egotistical, contrarian, faux outrage inducing.

But what annoys me most about him, is how he constantly uses words that he doesn't seem to know the meaning of, sprouting continual 'word salad' to appear intelligent but often, they just don't make any sense.
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What you've got, is a preposterous little berk
 
I think he's bang on the money and so is Ratcliffe.

I would not be happy walking into a flailing business and you've got all your office staff sat at home. It doesn't set the right tone at all. He presumably wants to get a grasp on things from top to bottom, instilling what he would see as the right mindset from all the staff and forging a togetherness.

They might even revisit it at some point under more settled circumstances which becomes a slightly different question, but for me you can't have people sat in their boxers at home while the business is doing appallingly. Albeit mostly on the sporting side, but I don't think we're best in class at anything currently so they need to get their arses into gear, come together as a team in person rather than via pixels.

For me it's just common sense at this stage, it's not about whether an individual role can on paper be done from home. It's about the fact he wants to set a discipline and mentality and he can't do that via Teams.
 
Abraxas said:
I think he's bang on the money and so is Ratcliffe.

I would not be happy walking into a flailing business and you've got all your office staff sat at home. It doesn't set the right tone at all. He presumably wants to get a grasp on things from top to bottom, instilling what he would see as the right mindset from all the staff and forging a togetherness.

They might even revisit it at some point under more settled circumstances which becomes a slightly different question, but for me you can't have people sat in their boxers at home while the business is doing appallingly. Albeit mostly on the sporting side, but I don't think we're best in class at anything currently so they need to get their arses into gear, come together as a team in person rather than via pixels.

For me it's just common sense at this stage, it's not about whether an individual role can on paper be done from home. It's about the fact he wants to set a discipline and mentality and he can't do that via Teams.
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I am now talking generally - not what is right for Man United but.....people claiming (like Jordan does) that everything is better at the office are just out of date with society.. For some it is - for others it isn't. Some need human interaction to be at their best, some work a lot better without 50 people around them. There is no absolute right or absolute wrong.

I work from home 3 days a week - and I get a lot more stuff done. To me the advantages of working from home are many:

a) I don't have to get up at 5 - now I can get up at 7.30
b) I dont have to commute 3 hours a day which means I am a lot less tired - and that increases efficiency
c) It's completely quite at home - at the office, there are tons of people around me - the air quality is poor and the volume is much higher
d) I don't get interrupted by people speaking
e) Teams create documentation because things are written - whereas a lot of the information at the office is passed on verbally and never reaches anyone.
f) And why would working at the office create a bigger togetherness than people talking online ? That is a dinosaur way of thinking from people who a) Were born before 1980 or b) don't have kids who do most of their social interactions online
 
Abraxas said:
I think he's bang on the money and so is Ratcliffe.

I would not be happy walking into a flailing business and you've got all your office staff sat at home. It doesn't set the right tone at all. He presumably wants to get a grasp on things from top to bottom, instilling what he would see as the right mindset from all the staff and forging a togetherness.

They might even revisit it at some point under more settled circumstances which becomes a slightly different question, but for me you can't have people sat in their boxers at home while the business is doing appallingly. Albeit mostly on the sporting side, but I don't think we're best in class at anything currently so they need to get their arses into gear, come together as a team in person rather than via pixels.

For me it's just common sense at this stage, it's not about whether an individual role can on paper be done from home. It's about the fact he wants to set a discipline and mentality and he can't do that via Teams.
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@Massive Spanner

(sorry, couldn’t resist)
 
Lyng said:
Most office jobs can easily be done from home at its been proven by now that most office workers are actually more effective wfh.
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Disagree, think a lot of that waffle about "effectiveness" was sponsored by Zoom and Microsoft. Think most people have admitted it's bollocks.
 
Simon Jordan is a clown. But the world would be a lesser place without clowns.
 
duffer said:
It still surprises me that some people don't get what Talksport is.
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This.

Funny to read the first page of this thread, people praising Simon for criticising journalists, when he has since become the worst kind of journalist.
 
I don't get working from home. Work is all.about being out of the house for me.

You go in, put in your 9-5 and come home, hopefully to a family.

It's separation for me. My home is not workplace and vice versa.

During Covid my brother has to work from home. He was over the moon initially, having never done it before. 2 weeks in he hated it. Sure he didn't have to get up a couple of hours earlier. Didn't even have to get dressed if he didn't want. But there was no separation and he really hated it.

Me personally I've only worked from home, in the past, for a day or half a day. But hated it.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Disagree, think a lot of that waffle about "effectiveness" was sponsored by Zoom and Microsoft. Think most people have admitted it's bollocks.
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As someone who has worked from home since 2020, I can confirm that I am less productive these days compared to when I used to be in the office. No longer having to be conscious of colleagues looking at my monitor means I spend more time reading football articles and those 1hr lunch breaks often turn into a 1hr 30 minute lunch.

Anyway, feck Simon Jordon.
 
Roane said:
I don't get working from home. Work is all.about being out of the house for me.

You go in, put in your 9-5 and come home, hopefully to a family.

It's separation for me. My home is not workplace and vice versa.

During Covid my brother has to work from home. He was over the moon initially, having never done it before. 2 weeks in he hated it. Sure he didn't have to get up a couple of hours earlier. Didn't even have to get dressed if he didn't want. But there was no separation and he really hated it.

Me personally I've only worked from home, in the past, for a day or half a day. But hated it.
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I work 3-4 days a week from home and it’s fantastic.
 
Roane said:
I don't get working from home. Work is all.about being out of the house for me.

You go in, put in your 9-5 and come home, hopefully to a family.

It's separation for me. My home is not workplace and vice versa.

During Covid my brother has to work from home. He was over the moon initially, having never done it before. 2 weeks in he hated it. Sure he didn't have to get up a couple of hours earlier. Didn't even have to get dressed if he didn't want. But there was no separation and he really hated it.

Me personally I've only worked from home, in the past, for a day or half a day. But hated it.
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That’s fair, doesn’t work for everyone.

WFH for me means 2 hours less commute, I get to see my baby boy probably 3 hours more a day, and I don’t have to put up with absolute nonsense that comes with being at work
 
I go in the office once a week.Sometimes once every two. Absolutely love it and far more productive. Going in the office means getting distracted with idle chit chat and pretending to be interested in hearing about other people's lives.
 
Roane said:
I don't get working from home. Work is all.about being out of the house for me.

You go in, put in your 9-5 and come home, hopefully to a family.

It's separation for me. My home is not workplace and vice versa.

During Covid my brother has to work from home. He was over the moon initially, having never done it before. 2 weeks in he hated it. Sure he didn't have to get up a couple of hours earlier. Didn't even have to get dressed if he didn't want. But there was no separation and he really hated it.

Me personally I've only worked from home, in the past, for a day or half a day. But hated it.
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It's interesting reading those experiences as mine was the exact opposite.
Always hated the idea of it and actively avoided it even when it was becoming a 1 day a week privilege at work pre covid.
I always thought it was the laziest of bastad who pushed for it.

First time I tried it just when the world started to shut down it was woeful - I was new in a job, and just read stuff all day, isolated in my room.

Now? It's 4 days a week at home but fairly relaxed about the other 1 day in, and I struggle to remember how I ever dealt with a commute, getting my sport in round work, booking and attending appointments, dealing with day to day colds, people thinking they have the right to criticise your clothes, food, what you say, generally getting in your face.
It's brilliant now - and I just hope these few stories about big companies trying to push back to in office work don't influence mine!

I'm saying this at middle age though. In my early 20s I think this style working would be disastrous for getting known and getting on in the co.
 
Roane said:
I don't get working from home. Work is all.about being out of the house for me.

You go in, put in your 9-5 and come home, hopefully to a family.

It's separation for me. My home is not workplace and vice versa.

During Covid my brother has to work from home. He was over the moon initially, having never done it before. 2 weeks in he hated it. Sure he didn't have to get up a couple of hours earlier. Didn't even have to get dressed if he didn't want. But there was no separation and he really hated it.

Me personally I've only worked from home, in the past, for a day or half a day. But hated it.
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Some of us have a three hour commute on top of that 9-5. When I'm in the office I pretty much lose that entire day. By the time I come home, cook, eat and get ready for the next day I'll get maybe an hour to myself where I'm too tired to really do anything anyway. When I work from home I can get up an hour later, go for a walk in the morning, go the gym either at lunch time or after work and still be just as productive as I would be in the office. And if I have some down time I can do stuff round the house. Without working from home my job would be unbearable. As it is it's one of the best jobs I've had and one of the nicest places I've worked.
 
Mystry said:
Some of us have a three hour commute on top of that 9-5. When I'm in the office I pretty much lose that entire day. By the time I come home, cook, eat and get ready for the next day I'll get maybe an hour to myself where I'm too tired to really do anything anyway. When I work from home I can get up an hour later, go for a walk in the morning, go the gym either at lunch time or after work and still be just as productive as I would be in the office. And if I have some down time I can do stuff round the house. Without working from home my job would be unbearable. As it is it's one of the best jobs I've had and one of the nicest places I've worked.
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That's fair enough mate. Each to their own.

I just had more interaction with going into the office. Made more friends over the years. More of a social life even. I really think this helped me with family life and the time spent with them.

In fact after 25 years of marriage, a happy marriage it took no job and being at home for that to end in acrimonious fashion. I became a different person.

I would go even further and say work kind of defined me. The whole getting up, getting ready, commuting doing what I did, meeting different people. I was organized.

No work and some working from home just was too disorganized for me and I suffered mentally I think.

Whatever works for you and other folks is brilliant. I was just giving my thoughts and those are that working from home just isn't for me
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Disagree, think a lot of that waffle about "effectiveness" was sponsored by Zoom and Microsoft. Think most people have admitted it's bollocks.
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As someone who has worked both types and partly in management my experience matches those studies. People might technically work less hours but they actually are much more effective.
Also you will get more work from people who would otherwise call in sick with a cold. Especially in these post covid times having the ability to work even while being slightly ill is a huge boon.
 
lysglimt said:
I am now talking generally - not what is right for Man United but.....people claiming (like Jordan does) that everything is better at the office are just out of date with society.. For some it is - for others it isn't. Some need human interaction to be at their best, some work a lot better without 50 people around them. There is no absolute right or absolute wrong.

I work from home 3 days a week - and I get a lot more stuff done. To me the advantages of working from home are many:

a) I don't have to get up at 5 - now I can get up at 7.30
b) I dont have to commute 3 hours a day which means I am a lot less tired - and that increases efficiency
c) It's completely quite at home - at the office, there are tons of people around me - the air quality is poor and the volume is much higher
d) I don't get interrupted by people speaking
e) Teams create documentation because things are written - whereas a lot of the information at the office is passed on verbally and never reaches anyone.
f) And why would working at the office create a bigger togetherness than people talking online ? That is a dinosaur way of thinking from people who a) Were born before 1980 or b) don't have kids who do most of their social interactions online
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But who cares about generally, the only relevance here is Man United because that's what Ratcliffe and Simon Jordan are talking about.

A) Why do we care what time you have to get up? That's about showing discipline and organisation, it would be of no interest to Jim Ratcliffe and what he thinks is best for Man United, he would expect a basic ability to set an alarm. That's soft, nonsensical

B) Same thing, who cares about a sob story about a commute. It is expected there's some common sense around having viable commutes to begin with. Soft.

C) Okay but these things are manageable, they're not hard. It can be taken to a good employer which I would assume Man United ought to be. Maybe not all employers but this is a billion pound company, if employees are uncomfortable it should be fixed

D) Great but at the expense of no passive learning from others, less closeness in a team because instead of talking to the people around you it requires an actual call to initiate. So it's swings and roundabouts for what the benefits are and you're talking about one for an individual but in this context there's new management and underperformance, it's about setting a new direction, WFH is less efficient for this and clearly a smart businessman sees this

E) Nothing to do with an office that's to do with poor practice. Crap communication can happen from anywhere, depends on the quality of employees, their focus and the company processes, which is precisely what he's probably trying to gauge and why he wants to see faces

F} Because being in the presence of people does matter, clearly.

We're not talking about some software developer scratching his balls in a silo here in a team of probably other personalities that would suit that WFH culture. This is Man United, a football club on its arse, they need to pull things together and that needs a team showing up, on time, focused, talking, right from commercial through to sporting employees.
 
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Abraxas said:
But who cares about generally, the only relevance here is Man United because that's what Ratcliffe and Simon Jordan are talking about.

A) Why do we care what time you have to get up? That's about showing discipline and organisation, it would be of no interest to Jim Ratcliffe and what he thinks is best for Man United, he would expect a basic ability to set an alarm. That's soft, nonsensical

B) Same thing, who cares about a sob story about a commute. It is expected there's some common sense around having viable commutes to begin with. Soft.

C) Okay but these things are manageable, they're not hard. It can be taken to a good employer which I would assume Man United ought to be. Maybe not all employers but this is a billion pound company, if employees are uncomfortable it should be fixed

D) Great but at the expense of no passive learning from others, less closeness in a team because instead of talking to the people around you it requires an actual call to initiate. So it's swings and roundabouts for what the benefits are and you're talking about one for an individual but in this context there's new management and underperformance, it's about setting a new direction, WFH is less efficient for this and clearly a smart businessman sees this

E) Nothing to do with an office that's to do with poor practice. Crap communication can happen from anywhere, depends on the quality of employees, their focus and the company processes, which is precisely what he's probably trying to gauge and why he wants to see faces

F} Because being in the presence of people does matter, clearly.

We're not talking about some software developer scratching his balls in a silo here in a team of probably other personalities that would suit that WFH culture. This is Man United, a football club on its arse, they need to pull things together and that needs a team showing up, on time, focused, talking, right from commercial through to sporting employees.
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An accountant needs to show up in the office at a football club why?
 
Roane said:
That's fair enough mate. Each to their own.

I just had more interaction with going into the office. Made more friends over the years. More of a social life even. I really think this helped me with family life and the time spent with them.

In fact after 25 years of marriage, a happy marriage it took no job and being at home for that to end in acrimonious fashion. I became a different person.

I would go even further and say work kind of defined me. The whole getting up, getting ready, commuting doing what I did, meeting different people. I was organized.

No work and some working from home just was too disorganized for me and I suffered mentally I think.

Whatever works for you and other folks is brilliant. I was just giving my thoughts and those are that working from home just isn't for me
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Horses for courses mate. I work 3 days a week from home and get a lot more done. I can talk to a client over the phone and, since covid, a lot of administrative hearings are now conducted over the phone. I don't have any management duties - thank heavens - and I have access to all the research materials I need on the net. If I were a younger man, I think I would miss going to the office but the work-from-home thing came about at the time I was considering retirement and it has extended my productive work life. Like you say, it isn't for everyone but from my perspective, it has worked out well for all concerned.
 
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