Show of hands....

charleysurf said:
Yeah, Old Trafford getting demolished by the Germans was nothing. If we don't get a big name signing then this club really is OVER!
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Oh look, it's you, coming into a thread to find any sort of negative comment to make a sarcastic comment on so that you can win some brownie points.

cw1984 said:
What do you mean by that? We're obviously going to be good enough to challenge for the league. We're better than last season after all.
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No of course not, we're always in with a chance of winning the league. More so, why aren't we signing players we so clearly need? And I'm not saying they need to be great or cost a lot, but surely we should at least by trying to get backup for Carrick and Evra, at a minimum.
 
Sad feeling that all we will get before the closure of the transfer window is more spin about how we are "interested" in one maybe two players....thats it. Its all familiar territory for United these days. Then of course the transfer window will open January and the old mantra will be rolled out who can you buy January? Not available for Champions league...yada yada yada...I dont think there will be breaking news on Sky's yellow ticker yet....
 
Signings are done, let's get excited for the new season, it's August! Can't wait for Kagawa's premier league debut.
 
People have been saying that ever since Keane lose his legs. Won the CL once, got to the final a couple of times and won the league a few times despite Roman spending billions on his team.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Drama queen
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We won't be fecked. But we won't win the league or the CL. It's a glaring weakness in our side and CM has been an issue for several years now and still we haven't sorted it.

LB is less of a concern considering Evans can always play there, but we're gambling on Evra being fit for the majority of the season.
 
RedSky At Night said:
We won't be fecked. But we won't win the league or the CL. It's a glaring weakness in our side and CM has been an issue for several years now and still we haven't sorted it.

LB is less of a concern considering Evans can always play there, but we're gambling on Evra being fit for the majority of the season.
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We were one goal from winning the league last season, with Cleverley and Anderson out for the majority of the season.
 
thegregster said:
Unfortunately that not unusual at all over the last few seasons for Anderson.
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Anderson played 16 games last season, the least he's played since he joined.

2007/08 - 38 games
2008/09 - 38
2009/10 - 23
2010/11 - 30

Cleverley played 15 games. In previous seasons, he's played 15 games for Leicester (2nd half of the season only), 35 games for Watford and 25 games for Wigan.

So yes, both were out injured unusual much last season.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Drama queen
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'club' is obviously the wrong word, bad day at work and all that. But you'd have to question if there actually is money there to buy these players? Midfield is one thing and can be debated endlessly, but is there any logical reason we wouldn't buy a left back, with Fabio going on loan and Evra hitting 31?
 
Cina said:
'club' is obviously the wrong word, bad day at work and all that. But you'd have to question if there actually is money there to buy these players? Midfield is one thing and can be debated endlessly, but is there any logical reason we wouldn't buy a left back, with Fabio going on loan and Evra hitting 31?
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They wouldn't be bidding silly money for this Brazilian kid if there are no money to buy players.
 
Twigginater said:
I would be worried going into the season without a left back for sure.
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One thing we can agree on anyway.

I can sort of, slightly, in a weird way see why people don't think we need a midfielder. I don't in any way agree with it, but we do in theory still have a lot of players who can play there.

But at left back we literally just have Evra now, maybe Evans I guess, but he's not really a left back. It'd be really mind boggling if we didn't buy one.
 
Cina said:
But is there any logical reason we wouldn't buy a left back?

Also, isn't the club flat out refusing to budge on our offer for Lucas?
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We don't know if we are trying to buy a left back or not.

Nor do I know what the kids from the youth team are like, maybe Sir Alex is planning to use one of them as understudy for Evra.

I don't know what the negitiations with Sao Paulo are like. But it is obvious that we are in for the player - something we wouldn't be if there was no cash available. Unless you think the club is just bidding for the sake of it.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
We don't know if we are trying to buy a left back or not.

Nor do I know what the kids from the youth team are like, maybe Sir Alex is planning to use one of them as understudy for Evra.

I don't know what the negitiations with Sao Paulo are like. But it is obvious that we are in for the player - something we wouldn't be if there was no cash available. Unless you think the club is just bidding for the sake of it.
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Why would he send our most promising left back on loan and use a youth academy player as an understudy? :confused: Do we even have any good youth left backs?

I don't know what the club are doing, but if we don't sign a left back, or don't budge on the fee for Lucas, or don't sign a midfielder, you'd have to question what's actually available to us, no?
 
Cina said:
Why would he send our most promising left back on loan and use a youth academy player as an understudy? :confused: Do we even have any good youth left backs?

I don't know what the club are doing, but if we don't sign a left back, or don't budge on the fee for Lucas, or don't sign a midfielder, you'd have to question what's actually available to us, no?
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Because Fabio is at a stage where he needs regular first team football, a youth team player is not.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Because Fabio is at a stage where he needs regular first team football, a youth team player is not.
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Uh huh, and you'd be happy to let a youth team player play 10+ games a season, or a month on the trot if Evra were to get injured?

Should we loan out Hernandez too?
 
Cina said:
Uh huh, and you'd be happy to let a youth team player play 10+ games a season, or a month on the trot if Evra were to get injured?

Should we loan out Hernandez too?
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If that youth team player was any good, I'd be delighted. Experience for him, plenty of games for Fabio. Long-term gain for United.

Hernandez is not a left back.
 
Who is this mystery youth left back you are speaking of then? At what point in the past have we ever done anything like that with a youth player under the age of 18? Giggs maybe?

Hernandez is at a stage in his career where he needs regular first team action, yet is behind Rooney, Welbeck and Kagawa in the playing order, probably even a worse scenario for him than for Fabio. So why isn't he going on loan?
 
He probably means Tyler Blackett, who is 18, and in fairness is going to be excellent.
 
Cina said:
Who is this mystery youth left back you are speaking of then? At what point in the past have we ever done anything like that with a youth player under the age of 18? Giggs maybe?

Hernandez is at a stage in his career where he needs regular first team action, yet is behind Rooney, Welbeck and Kagawa in the playing order, probably even a worse scenario for him than for Fabio. So why isn't he going on loan?
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I have no idea what plans Sir Alex has, or whether we have any suitable left backs in the youth set-up. What I do believe though is that Sir Alex has a plan, and probable one or two contingency plans.

Hernandez is one of four strikers, Sir Alex has proved before that he can and do rotate four strikers. Evra, if fit, plays - and Sir Alex is less likely to rotate defenders than strikers. Especially with Evra, as he has been the one regular defender over the last couple of seasons, Sir Alex is even less likely to rotate him.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
If that youth team player was any good, I'd be delighted. Experience for him, plenty of games for Fabio. Long-term gain for United.

Hernandez is not a left back.
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We did have a promising young LB, but didn't he leave through lack of opportunities denying him the chance to earn better wages?

I can't understand why we cannot just give Fabio some games this season, and drop Evra for a few?

Evra has not been at his best for a while now, and is long overdue a kick up the arse imo. Surely competition for places has always been seen as a positive scenario to get the best out of players. Yet we now look like we are in for another season where Evra plays irrespective of form, while Fabio who has waited patiently for his chance, has to be loaned out to get a significant run of games.

Under those conditions it is hardly surprising Fryers left really.
 
We still do have a promising left-back, as long as Blackett isn't converted into a winger, which I really can't see happening as he isn't suited to it at all. He's got great potential.
 
Fabio at his best played RB for us. I don't think he really has a future at LB, hope to see more of him at QPR. Blackett and Brady have a long way to go yet, if Evra breaks down we'll be in trouble.
 
apotheosis said:
We did have a promising young LB, but didn't he leave through lack of opportunities denying him the chance to earn better wages?

I can't understand why we cannot just give Fabio some games this season, and drop Evra for a few?

Evra has not been at his best for a while now, and is long overdue a kick up the arse imo. Surely competition for places has always been seen as a positive scenario to get the best out of players. Yet we now look like we are in for another season where Evra plays irrespective of form, while Fabio who has waited patiently for his chance, has to be loaned out to get a significant run of games.

Under those conditions it is hardly surprising Fryers left really.
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The long term gain should be better for United if Fabio plays 30-40 games for QPR than 10-15 at United.

Fryers leaving is his problem.
 
Hectic said:
He probably means Tyler Blackett, who is 18, and in fairness is going to be excellent.
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CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I have no idea what plans Sir Alex has, or whether we have any suitable left backs in the youth set-up. What I do believe though is that Sir Alex has a plan, and probable one or two contingency plans.
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No he didn't.

CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Hernandez is one of four strikers, Sir Alex has proved before that he can and do rotate four strikers. Evra, if fit, plays - and Sir Alex is less likely to rotate defenders than strikers. Especially with Evra, as he has been the one regular defender over the last couple of seasons, Sir Alex is even less likely to rotate him.
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So you don't think Evra has, at 31, reached the point where he may not be able to play every single game imaginable for us, especially seeing as he has looked really tired and off his game for the last while? Even IF he isn't likely to rotate him, surely we should have a contingency plan for if he gets injured?
 
Cina said:
No he didn't.



So you don't think Evra has, at 31, reached the point where he may not be able to play every single game imaginable for us, especially seeing as he has looked really tired and off his game for the last while? Even IF he isn't likely to rotate him, surely we should have a contingency plan for if he gets injured?
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No, I don't think Evra, if fit, will have problem playing the vast majority of our games.

And yes, as I said above, I do believe Sir Alex has a contingency plan in the event of injuries to Evra.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
The long term gain should be better for United if Fabio plays 30-40 games for QPR than 10-15 at United.

Fryers leaving is his problem.
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Why? He is not a youth player anymore, and he has already played a good number of games for us, despite injury. I cannot see why he should not get a chance when Evra has played fairly poorly . for a good while now.

Why not just start them both off this season on a level pegging and whoever is playing the best keeps his spot? Evra won't be captain this year with Vidic back, so there is no longer that excuse to keep him in the team week upon week if he is not performing well enough.

I could see the value in sending a Fryers on loan, but sending Fabio now makes no sense to me. It relates to sending Welbeck back on loan if we sign RVP. Ridculous really in my view. Evra is not undroppable and has been very poor defending for quite a while now, i see no reason whatsoever why Fabio should have to go on loan to get a decent chance.

Especially when that will again leave Evra with no competition for his place this season. I don't see how that pushes Evra to regain his best form, or gives Fabio any encouragement he can get into the team at all. Just another continuation of the past 2 seasons where we will be forced to overplay an under performing Evra, who has been far too comfortable with a lack of competition for his place for far too long imo.
 
apotheosis said:
Why? He is not a youth player anymore, and he has already played a good number of games for us, despite injury. I cannot see why he should not get a chance when Evra has played fairly poorly . for a good while now.

Why not just start them both off this season on a level pegging and whoever is playing the best keeps his spot? Evra won't be captain this year with Vidic back, so there is no longer that excuse to keep him in the team week upon week if he is not performing well enough.

I could see the value in sending a Fryers on loan, but sending Fabio now makes no sense to me. It relates to sending Welbeck back on loan if we sign RVP. Ridculous really in my view. Evra is not undroppable and has been very poor defending for quite a while now, i see no reason whatsoever why Fabio should have to go on loan to get a decent chance.

Especially when that will again leave Evra with no competition for his place this season. I don't see how that pushes Evra to regain his best form, or gives Fabio any encouragement he can get into the team at all. Just another continuation of the past 2 seasons where we will be forced to overplay an under performing Evra, who has been far too comfortable with a lack of competition for his place for far too long imo.
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Evra's form last season gets worse by the week on here!

As I said above, Evra represent continuity in an ever changing back four. That and his experience is important, which is a reason to keep playing him.

You can't send Fryers on loan when he wad out of contract.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Evra's form last season gets worse by the week on here!

As I said above, Evra represent continuity in an ever changing back four. That and his experience is important, which is a reason to keep playing him.

You can't send Fryers on loan when he wad out of contract.
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I said a Fryers.

That's bollocks Cnut im afraid. Considering his status and experience you would expect him to be one of our better performers, yet that is clearly not the case. So keeping our worst performing defender (relatively of course) in the team is important and a good reason to keep him in the team!!! Hmmm...

His form is not getting worse by selective memory either. Many were complaining about his form throughout last season and for parts of the one previous. So it's wrong to try and suggest people concerned with his form are being somehow unfair in their critique.

The lack of rest does not help him either. It is no surprise to me that his form has gotten worse since we let O'shea go. Who realistically, was the last player to offer some compettion for that spot, or even provide some respite for Evra during the season.

Most people agree now that players need regular rest to maintain their best form throughout the season, yet we have posters like yourself who believe that him playing almost every game, despite losing his form since doing so, is somehow still good for both him and the team! Baffling logic that imo.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No, I don't think Evra, if fit, will have problem playing the vast majority of our games.

And yes, as I said above, I do believe Sir Alex has a contingency plan in the event of injuries to Evra.
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Yet you have absolutely no idea what it could possibly be. I'm starting to think Scholsey may have been on to something when he said Anderson would become a left back.
 
Cina said:
Yet you have absolutely no idea what it could possibly be. I'm starting to think Scholsey may have been on to something when he said Anderson would become a left back.
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I haven't seen or spoken to Sir Alex for about two years, so no, no idea what his plans are.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I haven't seen or spoken to Sir Alex for about two years, so no, no idea what his plans are.
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Namedropping alert! ;)

But a quick glance at our squad tells you that if Evra gets injured for any length of time Evans would have to play left back. You don't need to talk to Fergie to see that.

Is that contingency plan good enough? I'm thinking no.
 
Interesting thing from the IPO document was this sentence.

We expect our net player capital expenditure for our fiscal year 2012 to be approximately £50 million
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So far, our net spend is about £13m.

So going forward that suggests we're willing to spend about £37m net.

Looking at our two most high profile and confirmed targets, RVP would be £20m and Lucas £30m (both figures at at the top end), which would be £50m.

United probably want to do deals closer to £15m and £25m respectively i.e. £40m.

Then the sale of Berbatov for about £5m brings us to the final figure of £35m.

The trouble is, it looks like we'll not be able to do business at those prices.
 
I reckon we'll get one of RvP/Lucas and maybe a kid or two and that would have been a pretty good summer.
 
Twigginater said:
I would be worried going into the season without a left back for sure.
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Well Evra is pretty much always fit and he is our first choice left back so reckon he'll play a lot and we have Blackett as backup so we should be fine.
 
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