Well United's structure were mainly built by SAF and I am sure that Giggs sees SAF as his mentor. LVG is the present. If we bring a SA manager than of course things would change.
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Well United's structure were mainly built by SAF and I am sure that Giggs sees SAF as his mentor. LVG is the present. If we bring a SA manager than of course things would change.
Not really. We're discussing whether its wise to keep pursuing such strategy. For example in the middle of the 'value' strategy many questioned whether its the best way of action. That's what forums are there for, ie to discuss.
Needless to say that I wish to be proven wrong and that all SA players we sign onwards will be absolute hits. I prefer being proven wrong and see us win a couple of honours
I think the owners gave him a harem and his own city or something, it's bizarre.
The factors that determine success or failure are so broad to whittle it down to being from a certain continent is wrong.
Take 2 basic examples
Rafael - unsuccessful due to injuries
Veron - unsuccessful due to tactics
You can't legislate for that by choosing players from x continent over y continent.
Take 2 basic examples
Rafael - unsuccessful due to injuries
Veron - unsuccessful due to tactics
You can't legislate for that by choosing players from x continent over y continent.
JSV was already disillusioned by the EPL just few months after signing with us
Overall we have had an abysmal record with SA players at Old Trafford.
Kleberson
Veron
Anderson
Fabio
Rafael
Falcao
AdM
Also Tevez & Heinze in terms of how they left the club.
Maybe we should give up trying. Anyways currently European players are more elite & have a better work ethic.
Kleberson
Veron
Anderson
Fabio
Rafael
Falcao
AdM
Also Tevez & Heinze in terms of how they left the club.
Maybe we should give up trying. Anyways currently European players are more elite & have a better work ethic.
I agree. If we stretch Spain to include whole Iberia we can count Ronaldo and Nani in as well.
The risk with Iberian players seems to be that eventually ig they become good Real Madrid or Barcelona come knocking. And they leave. Unless we are a feeder club I think it is a bit disturbing, though I understand if those players wants to play for Madrid or Barcelona.
I think we should try to buy german players, preferably before they join Bayern. Extremely good work ethic, loyal etc.
So no Otamendi then?
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Rafael, Tevez, Heinze, and to an extent Fabio can't be considered failures.
This is madness, you've basically just labelled an entire continent as work shy.
But they can't be considered a success. Tevez & Heinze had one good season. Da Silva twins have never had a good run in the side mainly due to injuries year after year
That's not a good point at all.
Now make a list of all the successful European players we have bought.
Now make a list of all the successful South American players we have bought.
And now Rojo wants out according to the latest tweet.
They weren't barnstorming successes, in the ilk of Ronaldo, or Vidic, but they were integral to some competitions. Anyway, this thread is nonsense.
Really??
You're missing the point, entirely.
Yep, certainly seems like he can't wait to force himself out. Them Argies eh.
Not really - I am in agreement with the OP insofar as I support his thesis that the SAs haven't worked out for us. Whilst there are plenty of South Americans who have done well in England, at United, they generally fail to reach the heights we expect. I don't know why - bad scouting perhaps? Bad fit? Bad luck? No idea, but those who have joined us don't turn into the raging successes that an Aguero has for example. What I do not necessarily agree with in the OP is that we should stop buying there altogether, but I do agree most have not been successful. In fact somewhat ironically, the one I feel did the best for us albeit for a short period only was Heinze.
We've had bad luck with them on the whole, but as you yourself as hinted there are enough success stories with SAs in the PL to dispel the myth that they can't be successful here. What it ultimately comes down to is this - if the scouts have done their job, and a player is deemed:
a) Good enough ability wise
b) Harbouring a positive, mature attitude
c) A good fit for the team
Then it should be irrelevant which passport he has, what his mother tongue is or what he eats for breakfast.
4 of those players listed in the OP were very good (or excellent) for us though - it's just how they've ended their time with us which has soured things.
It's the language barrier. Perhaps?
But it is true, Brazlians especially are known to take it easy after a few good years. Look at Ronaldinho, Adriano, Robinho, Kaka, Anderson etc. They all had a few good/great seasons and then lost their discipline.
Very few like Roberto Carlos, Cafu & Dani Alves.
Argentinians on the other hand find it difficult because many don't ever truly learn how to speak English. AdM, Tevez, etc. never really took an effort to learn the language. Same applies to Valencia from Ecuador.
When it comes to professionalism & better work ethic, its safe to say, Europeans are a better bet.
I have a suspicion that we haven't heard the last of Felipe Anderson for this window. On the face of it, options appear to be fast running out for us, although Anderson may not be ready to lead the team forward yet either.
This week's Caf headline: 'Should we stop buying South American muslim travellers?'
Blimey, the stereotypes are coming thick and fast today.
Yes you are right, I didn't mean that south americans are less loyal.
What I meant was that german players are more accustomed to the english weather, lifestyle and game so they are more likely to stay loyal to a club in England.
Thank you for your comment. It was a bad way of expressing myself.
EDIT: I also think that Manchester United is more attractive for a german person compared to Real Madrid, than for for a south american on spanish person.
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I'll always feel safer signing European players of the same ilk as their South American counterparts.
I wonder why we haven't tapped the German market before now. It's had to believe that Schweinsteiger is the first German to play for the first team. We did pretty well with Scandinavian players once but the supply seems to have dried up; at least with United and we've opted to sign Spaniards and South Americans, with varying degrees of success. The alarming thing for me is the dearth of British and Irish players coming to United. It wasn't that long ago that we got the very best players but not so many these days.
As a scandinavian myself, I can testify that indeed the supply has dried up!
I think we should go more for belgian, german and french players.
Shame about that. The league used to have some great Scandinavian players back in the 90s. We had a good mix of Norwegian, British, and Irish players with the odd mercurial Frenchman thrown in for good measure. What's happened? The Premier League is now inundated with players from all over the globe but not too many outstanding ones from our countries.
I am from Sweden so the most famous from our country was Jesper Blomqvist I suppose, even though Bojan Djordic still lives on the legend of having played in Uniteds academy.
Sweden has with the exception of Zlatan, had a few very bad generations but maybe we are on the verge of something better now after U21 European Cup
I am from Sweden so the most famous from our country was Jesper Blomqvist I suppose, even though Bojan Djordic still lives on the legend of having played in Uniteds academy.
Sweden has with the exception of Zlatan, had a few very bad generations but maybe we are on the verge of something better now after U21 European Cup
And you had Bjorn Borg, the greatest tennis player of all time.
They do well at other clubs in Europe so we better figure out what our problem is
That clubs in Spain or Portugal with better weather and without language problems have less problems with South Americans... - we do not need to talk about.
There is clubs in e.g. Germany like Leverkusen who are very good in having success with the import of South American players. Ze Roberto, Lucio or Vidal started there. They have people that take a lot care of them of the pitch what might be the recipe.
Else it has a lot to do with the character and intelligence/education of the players.
When I look at the Bayern players of the past or today it was either players who made contacts very easy and were very open characters or came out of middle class families and were educated.