Should we change captaincy as well?
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What really sums him up is the celebration for England. He's in dreadful form, shipping multiple goals as United captain and he thought scoring against Albania was sticking it to his critics.
I'd have actually respected him more if he said that but instead it was "not directed at no one". Then he returns to United and costs his team the game at Watford.
Ultimately, the failure of Maguire and Wan Bissaka has cost Ole his job. Those 2 were supposed to solidify the defence and both have proven to be huge wastes of money. £130m on them combined. United would be lucky to get half of that to move them on now.
Being captain of United has been too big for him. He's not up to it and it seems like a huge weight on his shoulders (maybe that's just his head).
Ronaldo is the only choice as captain. He at least shows an urgency and will to win. Watching the team saunter around when chasing the game is so frustrating.
I'd have actually respected him more if he said that but instead it was "not directed at no one". Then he returns to United and costs his team the game at Watford.
Ultimately, the failure of Maguire and Wan Bissaka has cost Ole his job. Those 2 were supposed to solidify the defence and both have proven to be huge wastes of money. £130m on them combined. United would be lucky to get half of that to move them on now.
Being captain of United has been too big for him. He's not up to it and it seems like a huge weight on his shoulders (maybe that's just his head).
Ronaldo is the only choice as captain. He at least shows an urgency and will to win. Watching the team saunter around when chasing the game is so frustrating.
I’m not really against Maguire as captain just yet and think he can turn things around.
If we were to have another captain though then I think the only realistic choices in terms of personality and game time are Varane/Ronaldo/Bruno/McTomminey
Cavani I think could also be a great captain but don’t think he will be here long enough or plays enough minutes.
My pick of the bunch would probably be Bruno just because he’s been here longer than the others.
If we were to have another captain though then I think the only realistic choices in terms of personality and game time are Varane/Ronaldo/Bruno/McTomminey
Cavani I think could also be a great captain but don’t think he will be here long enough or plays enough minutes.
My pick of the bunch would probably be Bruno just because he’s been here longer than the others.
Poor old Bill Prunier only played 2 or 3 games for us , when we were stuck.He didn’t do much wrong in his first game , I actually think Cantona recommended him. He had a mare away to Spuds in a 4-1 loss but he actually never looked as useless as Maguire.
Ronaldo or Varane. The only two nailed on starters.
Shaw? I really don't know who's even worth. Giving it to Ronaldo would be embarrassing and plus he might not want that responsibility with this club..
It was either the Boxing Day or New Year’s Day game when we lost 4-1 to Spurs wasn’t it ? Prunier made Chris Armstrong look like prime Van Basten that day and don’t think he played another game for us after that.
Think it was New Years. In fairness the whole team were going through a bit of a slump at the time.
I think it will help him if we do. He needs out of the spotlight.
Pogba's got no business being anywhere near a leadership role at the club.
Correct.
Might be a good thing and take some pressure off Maguire and let him get his form back without the added issues of being captain. Although being demoted as captain may not do wonders for mental state of mind either.
Definitely, Bruno
It's obvious CR7 should finally be club captain of a team.. of this club.
Maguire is largely at fault for at least 3 of our losses, maybe 4, he is not EPL quality and shouldn't play for us in the league or CL again..let alone be captain.
Unfortunately Varane is made of glass so I think we're stuck with Harold
Unfortunately Varane is made of glass so I think we're stuck with Harold
Just pass the damn thing around ad hoc.
I've been saying for months that Maguire is the problem at CB (not Lindelof). But AWB isn't good enough either. and shaw isn't on current form
Ronaldo, Poggers or DDG. The Maguire demotion should be immediate.
Yeah remember Schmeichel got injured during the game and think Pilkington had to come on
Maguire not PL quality?
On the topic, yes we should change captain. It should be Ronaldo.
Pretty sure we did this in Fergie's later years. Rio/Vidic/Evra/VDS/Giggs pretty much all shared it no?
Feck me, just reminded me of how that team was filled to the brim with leaders
I've been saying this. There's every chance Ole looked at him and think he fits a certain typical captain template. English, plays in a central position, ugly and big.
3 years later, we've finally realised he's an error prone sensitive type who can't handle criticism and pressure very well.
De Gea shouldn't even be in the team, guys a fecking mute whose inability to communicate with his defenders is the cause of most of our collective defensive issues.
Varane has been injured for more time than he has been fit since he signed so it would be crazy to make him captain.
Pogba will be gone in the summer. Absolutely ridiculous to even suggest him frankly.
Ronaldo is the only reasonable suggestion, frankly.
After Ole's departure the first thing Maguire should do on Monday morning is resign the captaincy.resigning from the Club is too much to hope for.Give it temporarily to CR7 until Varane returns.
Would they give the captaincy to a guy who is still so new to this club though
Bruno would be the most suitable captain as of now.. varane is too new.
Captaincy doesn't matter one bit.
Be interesting to see a poll
Maguire is limited unless he's playing as part of Southgate's seven-man defence against the likes of Albania - he is not captain material for Manchester United. Another issue this season though is Varane's fitness, it isn't helpful that he seems to be injured regularly which means the central defence is permanently in a state of flux.
Unless you're going to remove him from the team altogether, which we won't because we don't have a reasonable, reliable replacement, taking away the captaincy is far too much of a political hot potato to bother with at this point. Unless he's being a negative influence on morale which I find highly unlikely.
Collective responsibility has to be the focus of any new regime, the captaincy is largely irrelevant atm
Collective responsibility has to be the focus of any new regime, the captaincy is largely irrelevant atm
My problem is I really do not see a good candidate.
Ronaldo: He won't be here for too long and we should start using him more as some kind of super-sub as we cannot build our new team around him.
Bruno: As much as I like him he does not strike me as someone who should be captain. I think he is better doing all this shouting and moaning without being our official captain.
Varane, de Gea: Probably not vocal enoug from the impression I get
McTominay might come to mind as a candidate, but he really should not be part of the first 11 so this does not make sense. The same goes for Lindelöf.
Also I think for some reason an English internation would be preferred. So that would leave us with Rashford and Shaw, but I am not sure they are mentally strong enough to take the burden.
The fact that if we bring someone in like Rice or Trippier they would immediately be the facorites for the role is somehow ridiculous.
Ronaldo: He won't be here for too long and we should start using him more as some kind of super-sub as we cannot build our new team around him.
Bruno: As much as I like him he does not strike me as someone who should be captain. I think he is better doing all this shouting and moaning without being our official captain.
Varane, de Gea: Probably not vocal enoug from the impression I get
McTominay might come to mind as a candidate, but he really should not be part of the first 11 so this does not make sense. The same goes for Lindelöf.
Also I think for some reason an English internation would be preferred. So that would leave us with Rashford and Shaw, but I am not sure they are mentally strong enough to take the burden.
The fact that if we bring someone in like Rice or Trippier they would immediately be the facorites for the role is somehow ridiculous.
Ideally yes we should but there isn't much alternative. The front 3 are not fixed, the midfield 3-4 other than Bruno are not fixed. The back four, Shaw AWB are definitely not captain material. Varane is injured all the time. This leaves De Gea, Maguire and Bruno.
Depending on the new manager, De Gea and Bruno has a good chance to be replaced. So we don't really have any good options. But replacing the captain is least of our worries at the moment. Settling on a formation and starting 11 should be our first priority. We can have our pick of new captain from those depending on how the dice roll.
Depending on the new manager, De Gea and Bruno has a good chance to be replaced. So we don't really have any good options. But replacing the captain is least of our worries at the moment. Settling on a formation and starting 11 should be our first priority. We can have our pick of new captain from those depending on how the dice roll.
Yes Jan or end of season I would put him up for sale. Hope Newcastle would be silly to give us half his transfer fee back, as £40 mill will be tops we can get for him I think.
I have thought long and hard at this and we havent got a captain in the team. When you look at Robson, Bruce, Keane, even Neville and Rooney in the premier era all were strong willed men who when they had a go at you on the pitch you stood bollocked. None of our players are like that.
Saying that if you have to pick one it woul have to be Bruno. He always plays and has been here long enough now and played well enough overall to have respect of the team.
Saying that if you have to pick one it woul have to be Bruno. He always plays and has been here long enough now and played well enough overall to have respect of the team.
I'm sure a new manager will have his own thoughts on captaincy.
I am more concerned that the new manager will be more strict than Ole was.
Some of these top players need to be put back into place.
I am more concerned that the new manager will be more strict than Ole was.
Some of these top players need to be put back into place.
Without doubt. Maguire needs to be able to concentrate on his own game, the captaincy is doing him no favours. I'd give it to Rashford.
Ronaldo is the only candidate.
Yes, of course we should. Maguire shouldn't even be in the team right now; his form is horrific.
Definitely. Maguire should have passed it on when Ronaldo arrived.
We have players with multiple champions league and world cups to their name being lead by Maguire. It’s obviously a bit silly
Ronaldo should really be as our captain. If he doesn’t want it, then just give it to Bruno.