At age 31 Maguire should be leading the defense better especially since he's the guy with the most experience in aerial duels + 3 men CB system. If a 31 year old CB can't lead then what can he provide going forward?
Should the captaincy be removed from Bruno?
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Surely managers and teammates past and present would have told him to tone down his emotions and hot-headness in games when we are behind or not playing well, but he just continue doing it again and again and again. It's like he just can't stop fecking moaning and whining like a petulant child. Yesterday in the first half he got so close to the ref to moan, almost body checking him and raising his arm right in the ref's face. No wonder the ref sent him off the first chance he got in the 2nd half. Refs, not matter how incompetent are still human. Why give them the opportunity? Don't get it.
He should be sold in January, for whatever we can get. No point in half measures at this stage in the rebuild. Rashford needs to go too plus anyone else not setting a proper standard.
Who's captain should be the least of our worries, if the armband goes to someone else, would we play better? Don't think so.
Only reason some people don't want him captain is that they think there are higher chances he will be benched, which I don't think is true.
Only reason some people don't want him captain is that they think there are higher chances he will be benched, which I don't think is true.
Is there even captain material in our squad? I don't think so.
3 reds in half of the season is worrying trend (2 of them were questionable but whatever)
3 reds in half of the season is worrying trend (2 of them were questionable but whatever)
De ligt is probably the only choice, he should be starting anyway since we look absolutely shit without him in the backline
It should never have been given to him. But that only highlights yet another aspect of why we've been such a poor team for so long, and why the culture has seemingly been toxic. There is a severe lack of suitable leaders in the squad. I always look at Fergusons teams as a blueprint for how to assemble a group of players, and one thing we always had were several strong characters at all times. Players who led by example and inspired those around them. Bruno inspires nothing but stupidity, chaos and whinging. But you look at our other senior players and who else stands out? No one
If you look at that 94 team half of them could have been/ were captain
Bruce, schmeichel, Keane, Ince, Robson, Hughes, cantona
And then you have great players who were reliable and professional who never really got a look in like pallister, mcclair and Irwin.
Ridiculous really.
If he hadn't been before I'd second this.
Truth is that poor management burnt that bridge years ago though.
I think Bruno is a classic case of misleading stats. Yes, he's very creative and has been our biggest outlet for goals - but twist it around and look at the amount of times he's lost possession, given needless fouls away, been one of our worst performers, hit and hopes....the list goes on. His chances created are very generous given they are needing a world class forward to finish them off. He 100% should never have got a new contract and he is going to be a thorn in Amorin's side as he just isn't a transition type player.
I get why people stick up for him, but I'm at the stage where he is an embarrassment to our starting 11. I doubt many other clubs in the PL would make him captain.
Maybe it's an English thing, but in Germany no one cares about captaincy. Our lack of leadership is an absolute issue, not having the right guy wear a piece of cloth isn't. When Germany won the world cup, quiet and polite guy Lahm was captain while I don't think there's any doubt warrior Schweinsteiger was the team's leader.
I'm blatantly pro Bruno, so surely somewhat biased. I can understand the frustration with his performances lately, he's been subpar. But it amuses me when people point to red cards as a captain. Just look at our previous captains, the one people look up to the most routinely blew a fuse and got send off
I'm blatantly pro Bruno, so surely somewhat biased. I can understand the frustration with his performances lately, he's been subpar. But it amuses me when people point to red cards as a captain. Just look at our previous captains, the one people look up to the most routinely blew a fuse and got send off
Maybe.
I'm not sure anyone has shown themselves to be more of a leader than Bruno, regardless of what other posters say but its also possible that someone else having the captaincy would see them go to a new level with the responsibility.
For me the only 2 candidates are Lisandro and Mazraoui. Mazraoui because although he's new he's been at a consistent level. De Ligt I might not even pick in the team, I think Maguire is doing better and Ugarte hasnt played that much yet, just 8 starts in the league so far. I'd probably just about go with Lisandro and I'm not quite at the point where I think thats a better option than Fernandes. But I do think its worth thinking about and if things dont change in the next 5-6 matches it might be time.
I'm not sure anyone has shown themselves to be more of a leader than Bruno, regardless of what other posters say but its also possible that someone else having the captaincy would see them go to a new level with the responsibility.
For me the only 2 candidates are Lisandro and Mazraoui. Mazraoui because although he's new he's been at a consistent level. De Ligt I might not even pick in the team, I think Maguire is doing better and Ugarte hasnt played that much yet, just 8 starts in the league so far. I'd probably just about go with Lisandro and I'm not quite at the point where I think thats a better option than Fernandes. But I do think its worth thinking about and if things dont change in the next 5-6 matches it might be time.
We look worse with him
There is just no one else we could give it to and that is part of the predicament we are in.
Give it Amad
We should first ask the question on what is needed for consideration to be captain?
Many supporters or armchair pundits boil it down to how they play on the pitch, but I honestly think its much more than that which we don't really see.
Captains need to show 100% dedication in training every week, with no disciplinary records under the coach. No social media controversy, no bad habits deterring their focus on the pitch and very importantly be influential to all the cliques in the squad to knit them together.
Bruno ticks many of these boxes (I remember he was caught on Dalot/Fred's social media telling them to turn off their phone when they get into Carrington and stop dicking around. This was before he was made Captain). His problem is that he tries to do too much on the pitch and will force a pass or be too aggressive. I couldn't a feck what Roy Keane has to say about him - it's more than clear he knows nothing about the squad dynamics behind the scene to actually know who should be captain in the first place.
Many supporters or armchair pundits boil it down to how they play on the pitch, but I honestly think its much more than that which we don't really see.
Captains need to show 100% dedication in training every week, with no disciplinary records under the coach. No social media controversy, no bad habits deterring their focus on the pitch and very importantly be influential to all the cliques in the squad to knit them together.
Bruno ticks many of these boxes (I remember he was caught on Dalot/Fred's social media telling them to turn off their phone when they get into Carrington and stop dicking around. This was before he was made Captain). His problem is that he tries to do too much on the pitch and will force a pass or be too aggressive. I couldn't a feck what Roy Keane has to say about him - it's more than clear he knows nothing about the squad dynamics behind the scene to actually know who should be captain in the first place.
I don't particularly care who is captain, but I think the current lack of suitable candidates is quite revealing, especially when you look back at previous squads. I don't think you even need to go back as far as the 90s. We just completely lack a solid core of reliable, mainstay players. The only ones who could fall into that category are players like Bruno, Dalot, Shaw and Maguire, who many fans describe as deadwood and want to see gone (plus Rashford, of course, who is pretty much gone already). As for the rest of the squad, there are very few who I'd be confident about them still being here in five seasons, as most of our promising players, both new signings and academy graduates, just seem to fizzle out.
Absolutely. It’s a stupid question and just another thing used to denigrate important players here. You’re right about previous captains too. I guess in a way Bruno is giving the people what they want and being more Keano!
Well played casually dropping in the WC win though, very subtle!
You should know I'm probably the only German that didn't enjoy it, for unknown reasons I'm always supporting England and hope Germany crash outAbsolutely. It’s a stupid question and just another thing used to denigrate important players here. You’re right about previous captains too. I guess in a way Bruno is giving the people what they want and being more Keano!
Well played casually dropping in the WC win though, very subtle!
At this point it's hard to argue with this idea. Losing the captaincy might help him to relax and enjoy the game. If that doesn't do it, then he might need to leave if I'm honest. He's clearly a talented player but like the rest of the squad, seems to consistently have poor games and brain farts.
de Ligt is he best captaincy material
Same really. A captain should be the calm in the storm whereas Bruno increases the team's anxiety. He has never been captain material. He's a joke
You’ve got a weird sense of humour.
DeLigt Ugarte Mazroui Martinez (when finds form) any and all will be greater captain than captain chaos.
Do we even have to have one?
Never thought Bruno as captain material in the first place.
No point in removing it now when there’s no obvious replacement …wait until Amorim has brought in his own players.
No point in removing it now when there’s no obvious replacement …wait until Amorim has brought in his own players.
Just give it to someone who isn't a whiny feck or a big usless lump with no authority.
Ugarte or Licha.
Ugarte or Licha.
Should never have been given the captaincy in the first place.
I was one of the few who wasn't creaming in their pants when he was made captain like most of this site.
I was one of the few who wasn't creaming in their pants when he was made captain like most of this site.
Urgate?
I think it’s largely overstated how much a captain does but you can’t have your captain acting like he does.
Just stick it on De Ligt or something, at least he carries himself like a leader.
Just stick it on De Ligt or something, at least he carries himself like a leader.
Again, that's crazy.
'100% should never have got a new contract'? So, let him go for free?? An embarrassment to our starting 11? I just don't know what you're seeing.
This might not be you, but I've read on here about 'Bruno being his usual wasteful self' when he's had 90%+ pass success in games. He's played further back and kept it neat and tidy in some games, so people on here moan that he's had a poor game, been too quiet. Because, you know, he hasn't won us the game single-handedly.
I'd love Roy Keane to be back here in his prime leading us. Or Cantona, or Bruce. But right now, with this group of players, they'd also be getting grief for not being able to lead us to success. Maybe not to the level Bruno gets because they don't display the same Iberian mannerisms, but 'we're Man Utd, we have to be winning' has become a poisoned chalice that leads to, among other things, the chastisement and hounding out of a club legend because finishing second and reaching finals isn't good enough.
Bruno is the best we have, maybe he shouldn't be, but he is. He's captain because nobody else fits the bill. So while that's true, if you have to criticise someone, I'd strongly suggest picking a new target. Preferably the leeching cnuts who own the club and have caused the huge decline we've seen over the last 2 decades. They barely seem to get a mention among all the vitriol thrown about in here.
I think the bigger issue is that Fernandes shouldn't actually be here if the rebuild is carried out properly. Unfortunately the club relented to his contract demands last summer so as always, it's tougher than it should be for us to get rid of these players on big wages.
I didn't see anyone complaining about being too quiet, when he that that game people praised him. Problem is he can't do it when pressed at all.
I didn't see anyone complaining about being too quiet, when he that that game people praised him. Problem is he can't do it when pressed at all.
Arm band isn't the problem
We have signed mentally weak players for over 10 years now. Since Ronaldo left, number 7 players keep shitting themselves as soon as they wear the shirt. It started with Valencia
Same goes for captain armband. I can't remember a single good captain material since Rooney left.
We have signed mentally weak players for over 10 years now. Since Ronaldo left, number 7 players keep shitting themselves as soon as they wear the shirt. It started with Valencia
Same goes for captain armband. I can't remember a single good captain material since Rooney left.
Absolutely. He'd also be on the way out, if I was in charge.
He's gone from one of the best in the league to being one of the most petulant, lazy and overly aggressive clowns in the competition. Rashford is an easy target, it's clowns like Bruno that need to be on the outer as well.
He's gone from one of the best in the league to being one of the most petulant, lazy and overly aggressive clowns in the competition. Rashford is an easy target, it's clowns like Bruno that need to be on the outer as well.
Can he speak any English? If not then no.
I'd give it to Mazraoui, such a composed player, I don't think it'd phase him. Or De Ligt. Not many mature leaders in the squad who are playing frequently.
It’s all very reactionary, but I just don’t see a proper leader in him.
Far too emotional, erratic and on edge to be the key figure.
The problem is, we just don’t have leadership qualities in the entire squad. This time last year I’d have said Diogo Dalot is the best professional in the team and would suit it based on that reason alone, but his performances are way off it this season.
Poisoned chalice.
Far too emotional, erratic and on edge to be the key figure.
The problem is, we just don’t have leadership qualities in the entire squad. This time last year I’d have said Diogo Dalot is the best professional in the team and would suit it based on that reason alone, but his performances are way off it this season.
Poisoned chalice.
De Ligt should be captain.
I don't know why people come up with this strawman.