You can’t really expect goals after one transfer window and only 200m spent. This is a process that takes 3 years.
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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You can’t really expect goals after one transfer window and only 200m spent. This is a process that takes 3 years.
Realistically though, what do you expect him to say when he’s trying to motivate them? “Half of these players aren’t good enough and we'll probably bottle it”?
Think he has realised what a tough league this is. It isn't a league where you can put a second string out and still win against the lower sides. He has been desperate to get trophies back to United but we just haven't got the squad to compete at full ability for a season. He needs to prioritise next season. If god forbid we are in the EL, put squad players out, same with Carabao Cup. Still think we will get Top 4 as this week is first rest they have had for ages.
Agreed - although Kane would be a nice start! There are times he has won Spurs games on his own: even his goal at Newcastle was him alone pretty much. I can't help wondering where we would be if we'd kept Cavani (and he's stayed happy)
Agree. What some are expecting him to say in public is completely unrealistic.
Yeah I definitely think a happy fit Cavani would be more use than Weghorst. There again a fit Garnacho would have been as well. The ones worried about Antony, we needed him earlier in the season when Sancho was missing. It is Sancho I would be more worried about. His attitude is just all wrong for a United player.
Yes.
In fact, if Di Zerbi became obtainable then I would replace ETH regardless of league position.
In fact, if Di Zerbi became obtainable then I would replace ETH regardless of league position.
I actually think it’s less about bottling it or poor mentality and more about fatigue combined with the squad having shortcomings generally (e.g. no decent strikers) - fatigue due to lack of decent squad depth and so many games, a situation that we weren’t equipped to deal with yet. I said two months ago on the Top Four thread, when most people were saying that top four (in fact top three) was sewn up that we may struggle to get top four for this reason, you could see the fatigue and injuries building.
I really don’t want to sack him as I think he’s still top quality, but for me at this level you have to actually prove that. If we lose top four from the position we are in I don’t see how that shows he’s anywhere near good enough to win us the league. Failure from here is shocking and I’d lose a great deal of faith in his process if that happens.
Agree. I had a right old rant yesterday, but once you sleep on things and rationalise what is happening you come to a more sensible opinion.
Shockingly it is an improvement because our GD was literally 0 last season.
That said, we haven't really improved that much. All the metrics support a slight improvement. Liverpool's underlying metrics are better than ours and they've had a horrible season.
He's got a lot of work to do next season. A similar season to this one would be horrific.
We will be laughed at?! Oh shit why didn’t you say that sooner? Sack him, as an adult I can’t even begin to cope with such a thing.
You’re making the sort of hysterical posts I’d expect a few minutes after the final whistle
How are you rattling off all these rage filled posts so long after the event?!3 straight title contending teams with Tottenham Hotspur. Took Southampton to their highest ever PL finish in 1.5 seasons.
He's done more. No brainer.
You’re making the sort of hysterical posts I’d expect a few minutes after the final whistle
Someone probably laughed.
The playing style needs to be a million times better by November latest.
They only contended for the title once though. They were never in the title race after that.
And they lost out to Leicester.
Should have been already better, but if we don't see a lot of tangible improvement next season, then it's hopeless expecting title challenges in the future.
Listening to his interview after the game he may as well have spoken in a Norwegian accent.
He will obviously not be sacked but there are a couple of things the club or he should address immediately.
He should have almost no input into our transfers, or at least not have a decisive say. The fact that he managed Antony for a couple of years and sanctioned £80m deal shows his limited knowledge of the market. He did not have to look after transfer business at Ajax, it wasn't his role and it should not be here. We should have a proper scouting and recruitment system in place as soon as possible or otherwise we risk bloating the squad with players the next manager will have to get rid of.
We also need to prioritize competitions next year if our squad is still deemed not sufficient to allow for literally any rotation whatsoever. We can't be going all guns blazing in all competitions only to find ourselves out of breath in March. If we find ourselves playing our strongest team possible in early Europa League stages then the lesson has not been learned.
We also cannot start season on a similar foot to this year. Have to be prepared from game 1.
He should have almost no input into our transfers, or at least not have a decisive say. The fact that he managed Antony for a couple of years and sanctioned £80m deal shows his limited knowledge of the market. He did not have to look after transfer business at Ajax, it wasn't his role and it should not be here. We should have a proper scouting and recruitment system in place as soon as possible or otherwise we risk bloating the squad with players the next manager will have to get rid of.
We also need to prioritize competitions next year if our squad is still deemed not sufficient to allow for literally any rotation whatsoever. We can't be going all guns blazing in all competitions only to find ourselves out of breath in March. If we find ourselves playing our strongest team possible in early Europa League stages then the lesson has not been learned.
We also cannot start season on a similar foot to this year. Have to be prepared from game 1.
I agree with you. He should absolutely not have full authority with transfers. Even with players staying(like De Gea).
If we somehow bottle top 4 though and new owners come in, I'm not sure Ten Hag will survive. A lot of goodwill evaporates if top 4 isn't secured.
No, because they are wrong.
Being laughed at. Who cares?
I think the point is, it's a bit too early to be thinking of getting rid of him regardless of how it goes in the run in. We've had some major ups and some major downs too no doubt about it, but I think we're all interested to see what he can do with another window and another summer/pre-season to work with the squad and get his style across. It's pivotal that the club does a much better job helping him though in terms of appropriate recruitment and negotiations with transfers.
He's clearly made plenty of mistakes but no one is perfect. Even though some Ajax fans were tired of him, at the end of the day the results show that he won them titles. Now it hasn't been a great season for them (of course they lost plenty of players too). Don't need to be prefect to get across the finish line, just need to be good enough. Is Ten Hag good enough? Probably, if we had a better structure and in general just a better team.
But at the same time it's a bit much to say that he's by far the best manager since SAF and all these other plaudits. He may well be but it's far from proven yet. Although he probably does click the best with fans in terms of his attitude and personality.
He's clearly made plenty of mistakes but no one is perfect. Even though some Ajax fans were tired of him, at the end of the day the results show that he won them titles. Now it hasn't been a great season for them (of course they lost plenty of players too). Don't need to be prefect to get across the finish line, just need to be good enough. Is Ten Hag good enough? Probably, if we had a better structure and in general just a better team.
But at the same time it's a bit much to say that he's by far the best manager since SAF and all these other plaudits. He may well be but it's far from proven yet. Although he probably does click the best with fans in terms of his attitude and personality.
The issue at our club is we've allowed virtually all managers to have a crucial say in transfers. It is fine if you are 100% certain you have the right person at helm, which is almost never, however if things go awry and you are forced to part with your manager it creates a very undesirable situation where the next guy has to either work with players he doesn't want or you need to replace them immediately. Happened with van Gaal, happened with Mourinho, happened with Ole. Each of them left a bunch of players you would want to get rid of as soon as possible, and because they all added up over the years the job got even more difficult with time. At a serious club recruitment duties are at least shared between the manager and club management.
Christ
Vast improvement this year apart from the anfield drubbing. Needs time to weed out the walking wounded and those mentally not up to playing for a big club.
We need a younger dynamic midfield, a modern, competent, commanding keeper and most of all for the love of God a striker. It's what has killed us most.
Be mad to sack him after one year. Needs three seasons at least.
We need a younger dynamic midfield, a modern, competent, commanding keeper and most of all for the love of God a striker. It's what has killed us most.
Be mad to sack him after one year. Needs three seasons at least.
Hopefully the new owners coming rectify this. It's just stupidity that we keep doing the same thing over and over again.
Even if you have the right person at the helm, I wouldn't give them full authority on transfers.
Klopp wanted to sign Brandt, but the committee at Liverpool recommended Salah instead and the rest is history.
Fine if you don't want to give them 17/18 as a title contending season but they definitely had at least 2 title contending teams. The Leicester season and the season immediately after when they finished 2nd.
I think such stuff matters when it comes to the recruitment, both for playing and non-playing staff. Not to mention another year without CL has also financial consequences. We can always throw more money to compensate for the diminishing prestige, sure, but last couple of years wouldn’t suggest high fee enormous wage transfers work that well for us.
Yeah the excuses seem to be ready and written for ETH.
How is 2017-2018 a title contending season when City won the league by 19 points and Spurs weren't even 2nd
You can't be serious trying to say that was a title contending season.
If Pochettino was a winning manager, they would have won the league title in 2015-2016 vs Leicester. They had title contending teams and only challenged for the title once. And it ended with their disastrous meltdown vs Chelsea at the Bridge.
But why anyone would want Pochettino after his PSG is beyond me. He had the greatest player since Maradona and he had his worst club season ever under his watch. Even Neymar significantly declined in Pochettino's final season at PSG. Then he couldn't win the Ligue 1 title in his 1st season and had meltdowns in the champions league in consecutive seasons.
He's not a winner.
BTW I would like us to begin next season with some tough games. If we have City/Liverpool or even both away from home in the opening 6-7 fixtures, or any tough away games whatsoever, it will be good to assess whether there's any improvement in that area. This could very much tune expectations for the season.
He has a limited squad!!! What do you want him to do?? He's not a magician!!
Look at the forwards we have... Elanga, Martial, Antony, Sancho, Weghorst. You blame ETH for that bunch??
Antony is on him, I give you that. Weghorst just was a result of wider club/corporate issues. The rest are playing sh**e.
Instead of looking at the manager, look at these players ffs. Not one, not one has been able to step up and get us over the line. We are still awaiting Rashford or Bruno etc to win games.
ETH has done the most amazing job with what he inherited. We get top four, the man deserves a medal. Because some of our players are simply not top four quality, and that's just a fact.
Liverpool had Jota, Diaz injured the majority of the season, and an absolute dud like Nunez, yet they have outscored us by 20 goals. And supposedly they have been horrible yet managed to humiliate us by scoring 7 goals while also showing mercy. I've been very welcoming towards ETH but these last 2 months I have serious doubts. Even if he manages to get top 4, he will probably get the sack by the new year.
I think Di Zerbi is a better coach than ten Hag, therefore I'd rather have Di Zerbi as our manager. It's the same reason I'd prefer Mbappe & Oshimen as United's forward options than, say, Weghorst & Martial.
Do you object to this reasoning?
Yeah I have serious doubts too. I just thought we'd have improved more by now.
Some of the away losses are probably the worst post-SAF too.
And what does acting like Real Madrid actually mean in reality, aside from it being a completely hollow statement with zero meaning?
He sanctioned the deal? What the feck is Murtough doing? What kind of structure is even that?
Would Bayern or Real sanctioned £80m deal for Antony or £3m for Weghorst if their coach wanted to? Pep barely got Thiago when he was in Bayern and that was Pep.