Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?

Should ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the Champions League?

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UnitedSofa said:
Entitled fan is entitled.
Wah wah wah, I didn’t get everything I want this year so let’s sack him! Lets forget all the good I’ve done and just sack him! Get a new manager in! Start over (once again!) not get any sort of steadiness and watch this one fail and rinse and repeat.
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The question is ‘what good’? Just cause he won the Audi Cup it doesn’t mean that we have to ignore the league and Europa disasters.
 
No I wouldn't.

My prediction at the start of the season was ETH would do well but end up 5th, I hope I'm wrong and we do end up 4th or 3rd even. He has to have a season in this league and deal with huge problems at United and assess it all. I don't believe in long rebuilds, it's all about next season.

For about 6 months we looked quite good with what we had, a thin squad but it's started to unravel, not just with injuries and suspensions but creatively and mentally it's gone wrong, players look sad and frustrated too.

Sadly the sale of the club could be in limbo and drag on. ETH might not be able to ship some players and and get fresh faces in. I fear time wasted and the same old problems for next season.
 
Revan said:
The question is ‘what good’? Just cause he won the Audi Cup it doesn’t mean that we have to ignore the league and Europa disasters.
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  • League Cup Win
  • FA Cup Final
  • Brought in a DM
  • Brought in an incredible CB
  • Improved Shaw/Dalot/Rashford
Are we all simply forgetting that because we *checks notes* might miss out on Top 4?

If we didn't absolutely capitulate in the EL and have a freak couple of results against Sevilla, we'd be in the semi final of that too.

Think everyone needs to calm the feck down and let the manager do his job.
 
Would there be much point in sacking him if the rest stays the same?

It was always gonna be a difficult season after the disastrous last season, the problems with Ronaldo, Maguire and the take over, no striker and players who just don’t perform.

First we need the take over now, then we have to sell so much players before we think about a new manager, otherwise we will have the same problems again. Sell or let go De Gea, Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, Fred, Sancho, Weghorst, Elanga, Martial.
 
No, it was never a one year process. He needs at least three years to clear the squad out and bring the right players in. He's had a major distraction in the ownership issue too.

That being said renewing De Gea could well get him the sack!
 
UnitedSofa said:
  • League Cup Win
  • FA Cup Final
  • Brought in a DM
  • Brought in an incredible CB
  • Improved Shaw/Dalot/Rashford
Are we all simply forgetting that because we *checks notes* might miss out on Top 4?

If we didn't absolutely capitulate in the EL and have a freak couple of results against Sevilla, we'd be in the semi final of that too.

Think everyone needs to calm the feck down and let the manager do his job.
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Ok, he spent a shitload of money to buy some players (when ten Hag falls, Martinez is gonna be considered deadwood), won the least important trophy ever, and was a disaster in the league and Europe, so all is good.

As things are going, City is gonna score 6 past us in the final. Oh wait, they already did that. But deluded fans are still gonna call it as success.
 
UnitedSofa said:
  • League Cup Win
  • FA Cup Final
  • Brought in a DM
  • Brought in an incredible CB
  • Improved Shaw/Dalot/Rashford
Are we all simply forgetting that because we *checks notes* might miss out on Top 4?

If we didn't absolutely capitulate in the EL and have a freak couple of results against Sevilla, we'd be in the semi final of that too.

Think everyone needs to calm the feck down and let the manager do his job.
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No one is simply forgetting anything because we "might" miss out on Top 4, the thread asks whether ETH should get sacked if he fails to win the CL qualification, which was the case for other managers before him. I don't know what's so blasphemous and controversial about this question.

Those asking what happened over the last two months and wondering if at least some of this could've been avoided with better man management or smarter transfers surprise me much less than those who already gave a rating to our season in March and praised ETH for his first season before it was finished.

Also, I am not necessarily sure it helps the case of a manager if you list "brought in a DM" as one of his main achievements when all he did was to purchase a high-reputation player we all knew about from a well-established team for ridiculous money. Yeah, Casemiro is good, but if we fail to achieve CL qualification and only end up on a Carabao this year, I am not certain if 75m 30yo short-term fix was truly worth it.
 
Revan said:
Ok, he spent a shitload of money to buy some players (when ten Hag falls, Martinez is gonna be considered deadwood), won the least important trophy ever, and was a disaster in the league and Europe, so all is good.

As things are going, City is gonna score 6 past us in the final. Oh wait, they already did that. But deluded fans are still gonna call it as success.
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and that's the problem. Good players who if another team had them, we'd be whinging about why we don't have them. The second they have a bad patch of form, it's time to get rid. feck me.

May be least important trophy but it's a trophy and we all bitch and moaned when City were winning it every year. It's this mentality as to why we are so shite.

"Worthless trophy" Do you think city think it's a worthless trophy when they were winning it every single year. It's a champions mindset to win everything. Clearly we don't have it if we think it's worthless and diminish our own success as something as 'worthless' how entitled does that sound? Oh I won a trophy but I don't actually want it because it's worthless. Give me a break.
 
No because:

- He does have some plan and this was evident before when he had most his players fit. Right now he is trying to cook a meal with the wrong ingredients

- We have invested a lot in him already and can't keep starting from scratch every season or so. He has a proven track record as well

- He came into a broken club with most of the same players still around. His man management seems to be good with no issues coming out, even after dropping the captain. Whilst playing wise that made sense, it takes some good management to keep everyone happy about it

- Being let down by individual errors is hardly his fault. He can't replace every player and their replacements in the squad are generally much worse

His persistence with Weghorst though has made me question a lot though - I would rather he throw Pellestri out wide and shit Bruno central
 
Some of his decisions and methods are definitely questionable, but he should definitely stay and be given enough money to spend over the summer.
Few players in this team are good enough for what we except and want:

Varane - but injury-prone and can't play twice a week on regular basis
Lisandro - no doubt he will recover and be even better. Possesses all the traits of a true captain and a leader
Casemiro - again, not in the flower of his youth, but still a top-class player
Bruno - oozes with class, but he needs more quality players around him especially when the thing aren't going in our favor. This is when Bruno is struggling the most.
Rash - mentality issues still a concern IMO, but if we buy a proper striker and relieve him of some pressure he bill be alright

And that's about it... You can add:

Sabitzer - proved to be very useful. Should be signed
Lindelof - a pretty good backup option
Antony - I mean this is his first year in the club, we should wait and see
Fred and Eriksen - both only as backups.
Pellistri and Garnacho - both deserve a chance to play more
Jadon - I'd give him another year, but personally wouldn't mind if we sold him for a decent fee
Malacia - Again, still young, should stay, but has to prove he is good enough. At this point he's miles from being a reliable LB option.

Shaw, AWB, Dalot - They are all replaceable, but they can't all go.

DDG, Tuanzebe, Jones, Maguire, McT, VDB, Martial, Wout - they have no future in the club

So, ETH still has A LOT to do, but, no, I would'n sack him.
Anyway, I still believe we'll play the CL next year, but that's not the point. Next year, we should really be able to show some serious improvement both in terms of performances and results.
 
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This team developed great and still has so many holes, which were not fixed by the club owners and caused by other managers.
-most expensive goalkeeper, who can not pass or control the 6-yard box.
-expansive and mentally broken CD, who lost every strength
-an old, all-time great but narcistic Star, who was a cancer.
-no fit No.9s
-an unbalanced midfield
-Mediocre loan players instead of proper starters

ETH fault was the signing of Antony, an overpriced, gifted but 1-dimensional winger.


If this team collapses and misses the CL, ETH should not be sacked. He improved the team, the lack of talent in certain areas of the team and injuries should not count against him.
 
Raoul said:
To be fair, I don't think Antony and Ronaldo are related. One was bought while the other was here, and the others departure in the winter when no suitable replacements were available.
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Had a knock on effect though. Meant we had no money in January because of how much we spent in summer.

That signing will be like Maguire was to Ole I fear. He looks so poor at almost everything.
 
Josh 76 said:
90m on Antony was shocking. That’s down to ETH. He could have used that money much better!
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To be fair, im ok with all his other signings. And with Antony, i feel like all our attackers have had bad seasons bar Rashford. They need a focal point to play off of.

But also, its more down to the failure of the club structure. We always overpay. With Antony, we could've signed him for cheaper, but the club's fluidity in negotiations is like our passing.
 
Typical of United fans that he’s been built up to be something that he is not. We are bottling this top 4 “race” and he’s as guilty as the players. Where is the liquid football? I’m seeing shite served up on a platter week after week and this isn’t early days anymore.

We are so desperate for a messiah but ETH hasn’t shown he is that man and his talk about must finish in top 4 is looking incredibly cheap.
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
City had 78 points in Pep's first season. We're on 63. They had a goal difference of +41 and we're on +8.
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Pep inherited a title winning quality squad that was in a CL semi, run by a world class back office. Erik inherited a side that had our worst ever league finish, with a toxic locker room and a failing club structure.

Its not exactly a level playing field.
 
UnitedSofa said:
and that's the problem. Good players who if another team had them, we'd be whinging about why we don't have them. The second they have a bad patch of form, it's time to get rid. feck me.

May be least important trophy but it's a trophy and we all bitch and moaned when City were winning it every year. It's this mentality as to why we are so shite.

"Worthless trophy" Do you think city think it's a worthless trophy when they were winning it every single year. It's a champions mindset to win everything. Clearly we don't have it if we think it's worthless and diminish our own success as something as 'worthless' how entitled does that sound? Oh I won a trophy but I don't actually want it because it's worthless. Give me a break.
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Our new 3x La Liga, 5x Champions League and Copa America winning DM didn't seem upset when we won that worthless trophy either, did he?

I swear that some of our fans just aren't happy no matter what we achieve. There's no middle ground - we're either shite and finished as a club for finishing 6th or we're shite and finished as a club for challenging for top four and in two cup finals.

Has Ten Hag had the perfect first season? Of course he hasn't. Did Klopp or Lego Pep have perfect first seasons? Guardiola, in his first City season, brought in 8 first team players and finished in 3rd (3 points above Arsenal in 5th). They won the league the next season after splurging even more cash on 6 additional first team players.

People really need to gain some more perspective on where we are as a club and how far we still need to go. This constant chopping and changing of managers gets us nowhere. If we can't give a manager who has changed the player/manager dynamic at the club (see Ronaldo), got our defenders motivated to play for one another and even fecking high five each other for winning a goalkick, improved our ball recycling, made us more press resistant and has us being more creative when trying to break down deep lying teams, then what chance does anyone have of getting time to rebuild?
 
Dannn411 said:
He's done more in the world's toughest league at worse clubs. He's built two young, very good, consistent teams in the PL on shoestring budgets. Also one-upped Ten Hag in the same competition with a smaller club.
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Confused how he has done more in the pl ?
 
He’s not proven anything yet. We had a ridiculously easy run to a league cup and he’s done nothing to improve the losers mentality that will define this bottling of top 4. We will be laughed at and rightly so.
 
I think it's important to look at the poll results and that only around 1 in 8 actually want him gone (and that's right after a terrible result), so although it looks bad in here right now, it is mostly from a very vocal few.
 
kafta said:
Pep inherited a title winning quality squad that was in a CL semi, run by a world class back office. Erik inherited a side that had our worst ever league finish, with a toxic locker room and a failing club structure.

Its not exactly a level playing field.
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But how is that related to the post of a lad claiming ETH got more points in his first season than Pep? I don't think the argument here was that Erik had it easier than Guardiola, but rather that there are some bullshit and factually incorrect numbers thrown around to make us feel better.
 
Nah, don’t be silly. With the squad we have, I didn’t expect us to get top four in a million years at the start of the season. The fact that we still can with a few games to go, together with the fact that we’ve won one cup and into the final of another, it’s pretty good for a first season. Ten Hag was never going to get to a team that could properly implement his plan and style in one window (January was a complete wash out due to the Glazers).
 
Red Star One said:
But how is that related to the post of a lad claiming ETH got more points in his first season than Pep? I don't think the argument here was that Erik had it easier than Guardiola, but rather that there are some bullshit and factually incorrect numbers thrown around to make us feel better.
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Ah, yeah I wouldn’t defend that. I’m just pointing out some of the circumstances, which are irrelevant to just the points total.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Nah, don’t be silly. With the squad we have, I didn’t expect us to get top four in a million years at the start of the season. The fact that we still can with a few games to go, together with the fact that we’ve won one cup and into the final of another, it’s pretty good for a first season. Ten Hag was never going to get to a team that could properly implement his plan and style in one window (January was a complete wash out due to the Glazers).
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Cheap talk about how we absolutely must be in the top 4 before Brighton and now West Ham. What’s the point when we are literally bottling it before our eyes? He needs to find solutions with what he’s got.

Liverpool are believing an licking their lips. Hope he keeps his gob shut this week and guides us to a win v Wolves - no excuses.
 
Yes he should. For all the blubbering about style and progress, we have scored 49 goals in 34 matches while conceding 41. That is absolutely shocking and border line pathetic.
 
It would be absolutely insane to sack him after one season. We may have had some awful performances but overall there has been an improvement. We got no one in in January (on a permanent basis) so he needs at least two more windows to build his side and he must get full backing from the board for whoever he wants.

Besides, who would we replace him with? Harry Redknapp?

The one thing that does worry me is ETH trying to convince us of some performances: he actually said we played well in the first half at West Ham. We played well for 15 minutes... He needs to be far more ruthless - starting with making the brave move to play Butland from here on in
 
hobbers said:
Rubbish. You think Pep would be starting Weghorst?
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They wouldn't have dared got Weghorst for Pep. The wouldn't need to get him. They would have found money hidden away somewhere to get him a striker. I blame the owners for him being here.
 
mitchmouse said:
It would be absolutely insane to sack him after one season. We may have had some awful performances but overall there has been an improvement. We got no one in in January (on a permanent basis) so he needs at least two more windows to build his side and he must get full backing from the board for whoever he wants.

Besides, who would we replace him with? Harry Redknapp?

The one thing that does worry me is ETH trying to convince us of some performances: he actually said we played well in the first half at West Ham. We played well for 15 minutes... He needs to be far more ruthless - starting with making the brave move to play Butland from here on in
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Think those early minutes just highlighted the need for a clinical striker, but that will not solve everything for him if the others cannot get their shooting boots on as well. Otherwise we will just become Spurs relying on Harry Kane for everything.
 
I’m saying give him 3 seasons (including this) because why the f not? Style of play we were sold appears to be a myth and we are crawling towards the finish line. Candid interviews about how we must be in top 4 mean nothing when we are subsequently dished up the kind of crap we saw today. Thus far he’s the great pretender.
 
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