Yes of course he should, the guy is a world class player. OK his last game was a bad one but he was on good form before that. Just look at the City game and think if another game like that was been played and he is fit would you want him in the side? anyone who says no would be insane.
Should Rooney walk straight back into the team?
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No doubt at all he should. Rooney should start every game we play when he's fit, unless the opposition is very week and SAF wants to give him a rest.
Hernandez has been in great form no doubt, but Rooney, apart from the Swansea game, was having a very good season before injury. He is still one of our best players, maybe not the best anymore but he is still world class and makes our side tick when he's not playing awful. I'm not suede if kagawa deserves to start ahead of young or anyone else based on what he's done so far, but I have no doubt that he'll soon settle into our side as well. He'll never take Rooneys spot permanently though, don't think anyone will as long as Wayne's here.
If he was injured, and his replacement comes in and scores goals, yes it should be under threat.
If he wasn't injured, and was dropped because of his attitude, damn right it should be under threat.
You have Hernandez who has stated that he doesn't care whether he plays one minute or 90 as long as he helps the team. IF Rooney was dropped because of his attitude, then putting him back in because it's Liverpool or whatever sends out the wrong message.
Of course, if Rooney was injured, can you be so sure he'll be fit?
I wouldn't be totally opposed to him starting, as Fergie clearly knows what's gone on, while we're speculating. But if he does start, I hope he proves me wrong.
Speaking from the liverpool perspective , i would rather have Rooney on the bench , than face a half - fit Rooney on the pitch. He's a player that regularly unlocks a defence in a tight game . Fingers crossed kagawa starts 
Its great to have him back but the only fear right now is will he take another 3 matches of subpar performances before he hits top form again?
Tbh as great as RVP has been and will be Rooney is equally important especially in the big games where his work rate and defensive work help us out massively. Hernandez shows great enthusiasm and is getting the goals, but RVP is forced deeper with him on and Kagawa doesn't have the same defensive side to his game. Rooney can at least match them in terms of attacking output and gives you way more defensively.
However Rooney's place much like RVP's or any players shouldn't be guaranteed and we can only hope that seeing RVP play to a high level week in week out and the pressure of Hernandez and hopefully Kagawa will cause Rooney to keep his game at the higher level he can reach more often. That's the one thing he just needs to get, you can see the calmness and ease at which RVP goes through games atm and has been doing for the least 2 seasons or so. That's hopefully what Rooney can get.
The good thing about having the likes of kagawa and hernandez though is we don't have to rush him back in, which I'm sure we've done before, notably in 2010 when we brought him back for the cl and it didn't pay off. Now we can afford to ease him in which is good for him and us.
However Rooney's place much like RVP's or any players shouldn't be guaranteed and we can only hope that seeing RVP play to a high level week in week out and the pressure of Hernandez and hopefully Kagawa will cause Rooney to keep his game at the higher level he can reach more often. That's the one thing he just needs to get, you can see the calmness and ease at which RVP goes through games atm and has been doing for the least 2 seasons or so. That's hopefully what Rooney can get.
The good thing about having the likes of kagawa and hernandez though is we don't have to rush him back in, which I'm sure we've done before, notably in 2010 when we brought him back for the cl and it didn't pay off. Now we can afford to ease him in which is good for him and us.
Would Messi be dropped if got injured for a few games and Sanchez popped up with a few goals? Rooney might not be as good as messi but their importance to their respective teams is comparable.
The rest of your post is complete speculation. Is there any indication that he was actually dropped due to attitude problems or have you made that up entirely?
I am speaking in general terms. If Rooney is fit then he starts all our games, especially the big games.
If he's fit he should play. Big game player.
Also worth bearing in mind that Hernandez has such a great impact off the bench. If it had to be one or the other, you'd want Rooney for the opening stages of a game and Hernandez at the death.
He should be in the first team sheet tomorrow. However, if he's having yet another stinker, I think Fergie shouldn't be afraid to give him the early sub for Hernandez.
It's not comparable. Messi is the greatest player of a generation, Rooney isn't even the greatest player at the club.
As I've said, it is speculation, but based on previous events. Rooney's christmas period last season (and the season before) weren't good enough in terms of attitude/performance. Then he has his worst game of the season at Swansea, and coincidentally gets an injury, seeing him through till the new year.
Rooney doesn't always start our games. See my other post, where he was dropped for the Liverpool game last season, and dropped for the Blackburn game last season, and the game against Fulham I believe this season.
Rooney is one of our most important players, if not the most important. So it's quite comparable.
Basically it's your imagination based on feck all.
Of course, Blackburn and Fulham are considered big games now
Barcelona would still win most of their matches without Messi, which I hope everyone would readily acknowledge, but United are undeniably a much weaker side without Rooney than we are with him. The comparison with Messi actually supports the argument for playing Messi whenever possible, as we just don't have so many weapons we can afford the luxury of leaving our most complete player and still a very dangerous striker in the bench.
If the complaint with Rooney right now is that he had one bad match against Swansea, you just can't bench him for a long spell. That really would be madness. His ability and experience are second to none in the league, let alone the club. But if the complaint is that he's lost his head or is unfit then the case for keeping him off the pitch is persuasive. Provided the facts bear out these claims.
I think the blatantly obvious answer at the moment is no. Van Persie and Hernandez seem to have struck up a very good partnership.
That being based on 2 games and completely ignoring the god knows how many games Rooney and RVP have shown just as good a partnership
If you're going to come in saying the answer is blatant you might want to have a better argument than that
Perhaps we should sell Rooney, since it is "blatantly obvious" that he's now surplus to requirements. Unless, of course, the plan is to turn Rooney into role player for us and have him pitch in when RvP or Hernandez is out with injury or need a rest.
Be interesting to see how we do without our Wayne today. So wish he was playing as he is just class. Gutted he's missed today.
So far we are not missing him at all, both in attack in defence.
Shock horror
Right. He should stay injured then.
That's a bit catty for a simple observation.
Today's match only highlights even more how Rooney should and will walk back straight into the team.He's too fecking good for the opposite to happen
Hows that then?
Would of been very useful at the end. Could of used some composure.
He can give the sort of energetic performance Welbeck can while adding a lot more quality inside the penalty box.
Rooney isn't really asked to play like that though these days. Admittedly the end product would improve.
Kagawa's returned well from injury and was decent today, i hope he continues to get starts for us.
I agree with you, Rooney is a different type of player, Welbeck than him at running with the ball.Just saying that there is still a big gulf between what Rooney can bring to United and what Welbeck can both on a good day
I think it's pretty safe to assume he would have put in a similar performance against Liverpool as he did today. He wasn't exactly terrible today, but basically nothing he did came off. He had 2-3 good moments at the most and rest ranged from terrible to average. Wayne Rooney is a lot of things and has a lot of great qualities as a footballer but he has almost zero ability to come back from injury in any sort of form.
I know most of you still won't agree but I don't think Rooney should walk straight back in. At this point though he'll obviously keep playing because in order to get to his best he needs games.
I know most of you still won't agree but I don't think Rooney should walk straight back in. At this point though he'll obviously keep playing because in order to get to his best he needs games.
He was a bit pants tonight, but lets blame it on Rooney coming back from injury syndrome
Wayne Rooney won us the game today. People need to get some perspective. He may not have been at his best, but he did what no one else could, he put the ball in the back of the net.
Scored the winning goal....
He did about 1% of the work for that goal, I'm confident any other striker we have would have been in a similar position and easily tapped Hernandez's pass in as well.
But they didn't...there were loads of easy chances but nobody else could score
Good first half. Shit second.
Of course he will start next game. He is simply a better striker and player than both Welbeck and Hernandez.
The sooner Rooney and RVP become comfortable and familiar playing with one another, the better. Because is really has the potential to be United's all time best partnership.
The sooner Rooney and RVP become comfortable and familiar playing with one another, the better. Because is really has the potential to be United's all time best partnership.
They were no chances anywhere near as easy as tapping into an empty goal from 5 yards.
paceme would expect everyone else to miss a chance like that.
Or the penalty...
Hernandez probably should have scored the one he blazed over but like you say it was no where near as easy as Rooney's goal.
Lets just say... he shouldn't start over RVP.
If we go with a 5 man midfield for tactical reasons... I'm not sure he is an automatic to start as part of that midfield.
He would be a gem option off the bench
If we go with a 5 man midfield for tactical reasons... I'm not sure he is an automatic to start as part of that midfield.
He would be a gem option off the bench