Should Rooney walk straight back into the team?

Yes. Is our best player and one poor game against Swansea does no change that.
 
Theon said:
Well it was a wierd and patronising post considering nobody in the thread expressed any under-appreciation for Rooney.

Seems like you are addressing an issue that isn't even there.
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He come back after an injury against Tottenham and breathed life into the team in second half. I still see people doubting whether he should walk straight back into the team. He has been our player and best bet in the number 10 position for quite a while. For me it is a no contest.

I wasn't trying to be "weird" or "patronizing" and you certainly weren't on my mind when I wrote the post. In fact this is the first time I have read and noticed one of your posts.
 
#Carl said:
It might not be something that's been directly said in the thread but the under appreciation of Rooney has definitely been rife on this board for the last 2 years. Moreso now we have RVP.

The fact it's even questioned whether he should walk back into the team kind of pulls at the same thread. Certainly "at the expense of Kagawa". I can understand the want from people to have Hernandez in the team over Rooney because he's in good form but what has Kagawa shown?
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Yeah I agree Kagawa shouldn't be preferred at all, and despite his form Hernandez shouldn't either if Rooney is fit.

I think most people have based their answer to this on Rooney not being match fit. Considering the intensity of the game it wouldn't make sense to play him if he isn't ready, especially when we have Hernandez in great form who can ably deputise.

I'm not sure on him being underrating on here, he certainly is at times when he's going through a bad patch but I just see that as general fickleness. When he has a good run of games he's back to being highly rated. You see the same thing with most our players IMO.
 
Forevergiggs said:
I wasn't trying to be "weird" or "patronizing" and you certainly weren't on my mind when I wrote the post.
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You might not have tried but you certainly succeeded. This is patronising post and the context was wierd,

"It has always been flair over hardwork for football fans. The importance of someone else' hardwork in order for flair players do their job is easily lost on most people. It's a shame that some of our fans don't appreciate how lucky we are to have Rooney as part of Manchester United."
 
Theon said:
"It has always been flair over hardwork for football fans. The importance of someone else' hardwork in order for flair players do their job is easily lost on most people. It's a shame that some of our fans don't appreciate how lucky we are to have Rooney as part of Manchester United."
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And it's complete bollox to be fair, hence why until Valencia's recent shite form, so many United fans preferred him to Nani.
 
Brwned said:
I don't understand why it's now become a common opinion that Rooney's been below-par so far, it's like people only remember the Everton and Swansea games and nothing in between. He scored a double v City just two matches before the Swansea game and he's on 7 goals and 7 assists from 12 league starts so there's no problem productivity-wise. Add in the fact he's looked like striking up a genuine partnership with van Persie that could create the most devastating attack in the world and it's a no-brainer for me.

Hernández doesn't deserve to be dropped but the only way he's staying in the team is if we play all three.
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It's a fecking mystery to me too.Rooney has been good this season despite the bad start and had one last terrible match.It's not enough to consider his season as average so far.
 
I'm always right said:
And it's complete bollox to be fair, hence why until Valencia's recent shite form, so many United fans preferred him to Nani.
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Great example. Maybe the old views on Carrick as well, percieved lack of bite/graft outweighed his talent on the ball.
 
Theon said:
You might not have tried but you certainly succeeded. This is patronising post and the context was wierd,

"It has always been flair over hardwork for football fans. The importance of someone else' hardwork in order for flair players do their job is easily lost on most people. It's a shame that some of our fans don't appreciate how lucky we are to have Rooney as part of Manchester United."
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It was an observation based on comments read on Rooney on this and other mediums. To me this thread treaded along the same lines. The word bolded above was operative and shows that the post wasn't patronizing.

As for the comment on football fans - I can be wrong, I often am, though the chances are that you'd find it to be more true than wrong.
 
Even by Caf standards this thread is utterly retarded.
 
I think Rooney and RvP should play as many games as possible together to strengthen their partnership for the rest of the season.

Here is Robins take on it (on the partnership not whether Wayne should walk straight back into the team or not!):

“Early on we reached an understanding – probably quicker than most people thought we would,” said the 29-year-old.

“As the season progresses I know we will get better and better and become a real force. The next few months should be fantastic.

“Wayne’s one of the best strikers in the world and I think already we are enjoying an excellent relationship. I’d like to think we are both intelligent players and perhaps this shows in our partnership.

“It’s still a relatively new partnership so I think we will get better as the season progresses.”

Despite van Persie claiming most of the headlines for United this season – it is clear Rooney has already made a big impression on him.

“Technically he has everything,” the Dutchman added. “He can assist, score goals, find space, play good passes and so on.

“I especially like his love of playing the game. He is unselfish and is willing to make sacrifices.

“He also hates losing. Everyone admires and values a player like him.”
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http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...persie-wayne-rooney-can-be-my-perfect-partner

In my view Rooney is a major strength in the team because he doubles up as an extra midfield presence (where we tend to be vulnerable) and someone who scores and creates goals.
I'd be happy to see Rooney back for the Liverpool game, because although it seems unfair to drop Hernandez when his form has been fantastic, it's not only about what is fair but what is best for the team overall. Rooney is our best 10 imo and Robin our best 9. I think it's a strength to play them both in those positions together.

On Hernandez though, Rooneys absence has allowed him to dispel the myths that he's only effective as a supersub and that his all round link up play is poor. I think in the last few games he has shown that he is more than some believed and he will get a good amount of games when u consider that we are still in three competitions. Rooney and Robin won't be able to play every three days so Kagawa and Hernandez won't fail to get a look in just because Rooney is back, but hopefully whether its tomorrow or on Wednesday Rooney will hit the ground running like he did after the thigh gash injury.
 
Kagawa is not experienced enough to play huge games like the likes of liverpool. Also he has just come back from an injury. There is no question of him starting ahead of Rooney. Hernandez is the only competitor and I would say Rooney edges it even if it is harsh on Hernandez. Rooney provides more on the pitch during the build up and was great against city. He can be relied upon during big games. Rooney offers more defensively than Chicha. This won't be a high scoring game so we need Rooney. Hernandez can come on later during the game in case we need a goal. He's better as a super sub rather than a starter.

In case a situation like the city game repeats, then I think it will be welbeck who comes on instead of Hernandez. Hernandez is more effective when we have much larger possession and the opposition is on the backfoot.
 
In terms of goals and assist, he is the second most effective player in the league behind RVP this season. He should walk into the team.

I think Kagawa can handle and match, but Rooney will always be first choice.
 
For Kagawa yes

For Hernandez, no. I would like to see the Rvp/Hernandez partnership develop further as I think it will become our most potent. I think there is room for all 3 to start.
 
blitz133w said:
Kagawa is not experienced enough to play huge games like the likes of liverpool. Also he has just come back from an injury. There is no question of him starting ahead of Rooney. Hernandez is the only competitor and I would say Rooney edges it even if it is harsh on Hernandez. Rooney provides more on the pitch during the build up and was great against city. He can be relied upon during big games. Rooney offers more defensively than Chicha. This won't be a high scoring game so we need Rooney. Hernandez can come on later during the game in case we need a goal. He's better as a super sub rather than a starter.

In case a situation like the city game repeats, then I think it will be welbeck who comes on instead of Hernandez. Hernandez is more effective when we have much larger possession and the opposition is on the backfoot.
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Kagawa is only inexperienced if the bundesliga counts for nothing. Also Kagawa started the reverse fixture at Anfield which is arguably more of a difficult prospect than the home game tomorrow so I don't see how you can claim he isn't ready for the likes of Liverpool. Hes sampled the atmosphere and intensity that this fixture brings already. He will only get PL experience by playing PL games not using inexperience as an excuse not to play him.

I still think Rooney should start this game if fit but I don't think Kagawa is as bad an option as is made out.

Plus I think Hernandez has shown he is more than a super sub.
 
Rooney is the only striker we have who is perfect as a midfielder/attacker - the player who can drop into midfield to help out against attacking midfielders. Liverpool will most likely have 3 men in midfield against our 2 - so if there ever was a match Rooney should walk straight into the team for - it's this.
 
I completely agree with the OP however, i think nowadays it would be detrimental to someone like Rooney, he would feel pressured and unsupported IMo and you wouldn't see the best of him, I think he likes that guarantee etc/ feels like its his team in a way almost. I think anyone else? No, Rooney? Yes, as when off form the boy can turn a game with a kick of his boot
 
Rooney makes us tick and is undoubtably a world class player IMO. Of course he should walk back into the team.
 
akash02 said:
Yes. Is our best player and one poor game against Swansea does no change that.
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For certain people one poor performance clearly does change that. Even if it came a fortnight after he won us the biggest game of the season.
 
If the man is fit, absolutely. He is our best player and we function like a better unit with him in the team. Without going into it too much..how many other players do we have that provide such a presence in attack going forward and as an actually decent body in midfield when tracking back?
 
Yes. It is Rooney and Persie in tandem that will give us the real advantage and fire us to trophies. When you have the option of fielding two of the world's top 6 or so strikers, you take advantage of it. Not many other teams can.
 
yes. rooney had been in fantastic form until the swansea game and performance away at city has been the best individual performance of the season. his games away at newcastle and chelsea are up there too.

he's our most important player.
 
Definitely. Despite RVP being absolutely brilliant, I still think overall he's our best and most influential player. Him and RVP together have shown signs of brilliance too, so let them have as much time as possible on the pitch. Hernandez, as much as I love him, and Kagawa are not as important as those two.
 
If someone like RvN was in this situation wouldn't you want him playing over Solskjaer regardless of the fact that maybe Solskjaer scored twice the previous game?
I know they're not the same player, point still stands though.
 
When he's properly fit he'll be back in the team on merit. Rooney's been carrying our attack for years now. He's one of our true matchwinners and nobody can deny how much he contributes to our side. Hernandez has done great and Kagawa is promising, but Rooney is essential.
 
It's as if, because it's Liverpool, he'll put some sort of extra performance in. Fact is, he's often rubbish against Liverpool.

Previous games at Anfield:
Injured (we finally won)
On a sub (He was dropped for this one too)
Lost 3-1, he did feck all

Previous games at OT:
Won 2-1, he scored goals, brilliant.
Won 3-2, Berbatrick, don't recall Rooney doing much in this one either.
Won 2-1, decent game, missed penalty, scored rebound.

In any case, I don't think anyone will put a case forward that Rooney sets the world alight in these games. He plays better at OT than Anfield, but still not his best. If he'd been banging them in before the 'injury', he'd have a case to play, but he wasn't, whereas Hernandez was.
 
Liam147 said:
It's as if, because it's Liverpool, he'll put some sort of extra performance in. Fact is, he's often rubbish against Liverpool.

Previous games at Anfield:
Injured (we finally won)
On a sub (He was dropped for this one too)
Lost 3-1, he did feck all

Previous games at OT:
Won 2-1, he scored goals, brilliant.
Won 3-2, Berbatrick, don't recall Rooney doing much in this one either.
Won 2-1, decent game, missed penalty, scored rebound.

In any case, I don't think anyone will put a case forward that Rooney sets the world alight in these games. He plays better at OT than Anfield, but still not his best. If he'd been banging them in before the 'injury', he'd have a case to play, but he wasn't, whereas Hernandez was.
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It's pretty ludicrous using games he only played 21 minutes in, and especially one he didn't play in at all as part of your criticism of him. At Anfield this season he was a big miss, we were completely outplayed in the first half and couldn't get near to them, Kagawa did nothing, Giggs was appalling, Carrick was completely ineffective, Nani was so bad he was hooked at half time, it was only a couple of fortuitous refereeing decisions that allowed us to get back into the game, if we'd had Rooney dropping back maybe it would have been a different story.

In any case, they're a very tough opponent for us, none of our players regularly play well against them, that doesn't mean we should drop them all. He's one of our best players, if not our best, and he should be starting where possible. He was "banging them in" before the injury - he'd scored 5 goals in 4 games prior to it.
 
Id rather have him on the bench and play him second half, he's shocking when he's rusty and he always takes a few games.

Its not very ambitious if we have to rely on a player who isn't match fit.
 
It usually takes him a couple of games before he finds form again, Liverpool won't be one of them but a game against West Ham game help him, it's also a good opportunity to give RVP a rest. Fergie will use that game to evaluate his fitness, If he's ok then he will start against Spurs.
 
I've stopped believing that Rooney and Kagawa are in competition for a place. So I don't think Kagawa will really be affected so much.

I think the ones who should be more worried for the immediate future are Valencia and Young. I think United want to play with a fluid front 3 more than anything, with Kagawa spearheading the midfield 3.
 
kietotheworld said:
It's pretty ludicrous using games he only played 21 minutes in, and especially one he didn't play in at all as part of your criticism of him. At Anfield this season he was a big miss, we were completely outplayed in the first half and couldn't get near to them, Kagawa did nothing, Giggs was appalling, Carrick was completely ineffective, Nani was so bad he was hooked at half time, it was only a couple of fortuitous refereeing decisions that allowed us to get back into the game, if we'd had Rooney dropping back maybe it would have been a different story.

In any case, they're a very tough opponent for us, none of our players regularly play well against them, that doesn't mean we should drop them all. He's one of our best players, if not our best, and he should be starting where possible. He was "banging them in" before the injury - he'd scored 5 goals in 4 games prior to it.
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I was using that game as an example because he was dropped for it. Big game at Anfield, when we didn't even have van Persie, and we still dropped him. The other game, yeah, he was injured, and you can say we missed him, but based on how he plays at Anfield, I'm not sure we did. Nobody else played especially well, so that's not to say Rooney would've done. We got the result, and that's all that mattered for me.

By 'before his injury', I'm talking immediately before it. There's a reason so many people wondered whether he was actually injured or not. He can't afford those inconsistent performances like he once could. He could have a run of poor games and we'd still say he was our best player. RVP's here now, and he's our best player; Rooney is more dispensable than he once was, and I think, worst case scenario, we're losing and we bring him on and he gets told on the touchline to prove a point.
 
Liam147 said:
I was using that game as an example because he was dropped for it. Big game at Anfield, when we didn't even have van Persie, and we still dropped him. The other game, yeah, he was injured, and you can say we missed him, but based on how he plays at Anfield, I'm not sure we did. Nobody else played especially well, so that's not to say Rooney would've done. We got the result, and that's all that mattered for me.

By 'before his injury', I'm talking immediately before it. There's a reason so many people wondered whether he was actually injured or not. He can't afford those inconsistent performances like he once could. He could have a run of poor games and we'd still say he was our best player. RVP's here now, and he's our best player; Rooney is more dispensable than he once was, and I think, worst case scenario, we're losing and we bring him on and he gets told on the touchline to prove a point.
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So one bad game against Swansea and his place in the team should be under threat?

It' simple enough for me. If Rooney is fit then he should start every game. If his form is terrible for a length of time then we can discuss about dropping him but one bad game against Swansea doesn't change anything and nor does it hide the fact that he was brilliant in the 3 games prior to it.

RVP might be better now but we have no one else in our squad that brings what Rooney does to this team. Not Kagawa, not Hernandez and not even RVp.
 
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