Should Javier Hernandez be content with his current role?

Isotope said:
But that's just because we had problems on wingers, and Hernandez can only play up front.

I still think Welbeck has better future as striker at United than Hernandez. And when our winger play is sorted, we'll see Welbeck playing upfront more often.
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I disagree Stoke(A), QPR(A), Wigan(A), West Ham(H) are all games that Hernandez started up front with Welbeck on the bench. And that was just me having a quick glance there are probably several more. I think he's preferred in that role ahead of a Welbeck currently. And rightly so. That's not to say Welbeck won't be better than him there in the future but he's certainly not preferred there now and our winger issues aren't the reason at all.

I do agree with you on the fact that Hernandez can only play up front though. Thats his main issue imo and because he can only really play in one position which given RvPs status here means games are extremely limited. RvP is exempt from rotation regardless of goals/form which reduces the opportunities for Hernandez even more so given that RvP plays every single league game and a good quota of cup games too. Rooney can play behind the striker on either wing and more recently as part of a midfield two so he still gets games. Welbeck can play on either wing or behind the striker in a couple of games so he gets plenty too. RvP can play behind the striker or on the left wing as well (even though he hasn't yet for us) so there's options or him but its not the same or Hernandez who plays as a centre forward or not at all and unfortunately for him it's been few and far between this season.
 
I stand corrected then. The amount of games Welbeck played just make it feel like he's in higher order than Hernandez. But you are right that Hernandez has started more as striker than Welbeck.
 
Isotope said:
I stand corrected then. The amount of games Welbeck played just make it feel like he's in higher order than Hernandez. But you are right that Hernandez has started more as striker than Welbeck.
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These are SAFs most recent quotes on Welbeck so I think his future will be as a CF but I don't think he's currently ahead of Hernandez in that position.

"Last year he had 12 goals, this year he's only got two, so that's a big drop," Ferguson told Inside United. "But that drop doesn't concern us because he still applies himself really well and still looks to score, still looks to get a chance and with that kind of courage he will eventually become a regular goalscorer."

The manager said the use of Welbeck in a variety of roles, including shutting down Xabi Alonso in the Champions League against Real Madrid, has not helped the 22-year-old's goal tally.

"Maybe he doesn't appreciate us moving him around in various positions and we've maybe overused that because he is young," Ferguson said. "But his value to the club is there because I know he can do a job for me in any of those positions.

"It's a fantastic asset when you have a player who is as adaptable as that. But I think he will find his role through the middle once he gets that maturity and gets into a more consistent way of scoring."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/02/danny-welbeck-manchester-united-goals
 
Fergus' son said:
That negates the 'never', and that's without even taking into consideration that he is young and can improve.

He is clearly second fiddle to Van Persie, who wouldnt be. It's not guaranteed that he would be second fiddle to top strikers at other clubs though, he would start more often than not for Juventus and Madrid IMO.
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Words really shouldn't be taken as absolute. For instance Wes Brown had a season as a regular. So did O'Shea. Circumstances can sometimes mean it can happen.
 
I uses to think his all round game was not good enough to be the premier forward for an elite side (Utd, Real, Barca etc) but I think he could just as easily perform quite well if given the chances.

I would not be surprised if he scored 30 goals a season if he got a regular starting role at a club with decent service.
 
He's good enough to be in any squad in Europe, not saying he'd start every week but he could offer something to all the biggest Champions League clubs. Id hate to see him go but id understand if he wanted more first team football, if he went to Madrid he'd score a feck load of goals, their formation suits a poacher and he's one of the best in the world at that role.
 
Carl said:
Words really shouldn't be taken as absolute. For instance Wes Brown had a season as a regular. So did O'Shea. Circumstances can sometimes mean it can happen.
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Yeah, and I wouldn't have said 'Wes Brown can never be a starter for a top team', when there's clear evidence to suggest he can! His 08 season was fantastic for us, as was Hernandez's 11. To say that either will 'never' be a starter for a top team despite that evidence is harsh to say the least! Some of the logic you used is dubious too.

Perhaps you meant 'automatic starter'? That's a matter of opinion but I probably do agree that he won't get to the level where he is undroppable for a team like ours, a bit like RVP is now. Not many players do reach that level though and he has time on his side.
 
Not sure why some people are saying ridiculous shit here as if he'd stand no chance of getting in the Madrid team. Good chances that he'd be sensational under Madrid and while Benzema may bring a better overall game, Hernandez is a much different option that would thrive for Madrid under the service he'd be given from the players around him.

His overall game has improved much more than people give him credit for and he's just a lethal striker and goal scorer. He's a great guy too and clearly loves the club, can't see him going anywhere and don't want him leaving either. It say's a lot about the player when teams like Madrid would snap him up given even the slightest of chances.
 
I wouldn't blame him at all for going. In fact I would not be too surprised if he ended up being part of a money + trade deal for Bale. He's the kinda striker Spurs need and he'll start week in week out
 
No, he shouldnt be happy. Purely as he is the type of player to show what he can do and prove he should be up for selection. When he plays, more often than not he is a breath of freshair at times....when he stays onside ;)

Not many clubs can point to the fact they have 3 super quality strikers in Rooney, RvP and Chico, and of course the ever developing and energetic Welbeck. Chico is the type of player who would acknowledge this, but also use that as motivation to train harder and raise his game to take his chances.

Fergie will play his part here aswell. He knows as much as all of us, the future Chico could carve for himself here. He is and will be a big player for our future. His time will come and he will grasp it for sure.

He isnt the type of player to hand in a transfer request I dont think. He has a good character and I think he can see ahead, and not throw his toys out of the pram.
 
Yes he should be content. Lets not forget, before we came in, he was considering quitting the sport. Hernandez has had a good season and he will improve.

Was Ole wrong to stay when he was starting on the bench? Hernandez is still young and he has the ability to keep the position if he keeps working hard and continues to improve. Running off to another club, is not an impressive quality. I don't think he's that type of person.

I don't think Sir Alex loses sleep playing Hernandez and while that trust is there, there's no issues.
 
TheReligion said:
Why? Him moving has already been discussed in there. Surely you cant post a brand new thread everytime you want to ask a question!
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Why not? It's relevant and creates a discussion that stays on topic and more people are likely to see. In the megathread it would get lost in a circular discussion that goes nowhere. I don't really see why you're taking issue here, if the mods think it should be in the megathread, it can be quite easily moved.
 
I feel a little sorry for him. It's difficult to be match fit and fully up to speed when you're hardly starting, and just taking 10-15 minutes here and there. Despite that, doesn't Hernandez have one of, if not the best goals per minute ratio in Premier League history? I'm sure I read that somewhere recently. He'll score a hugely important goal, then the next 3 games he'll be on the bench, then he'll make a start and he'll look a bit rusty, because he hasn't played. No wonder some say he's inconsistent. How can you build up consistency when you're not starting? Hernandez starts alot more often for Mexico, and as a result, his scoring rate is just incredible. I do honestly believe if he became more of an established starter, he would score plenty more. The mentality we have for the first 60-70 minutes of the game is vastly different to the final 10-20 minutes when we often pile forward and pack the penalty area with a little less caution. When he's part of the early stages of the game, he looks at a loss sometimes, and that's something he needs to work on, simply by starting more.

Everytime he plays, his all-round game seems to gradually be getting better. His passing and ball retention are much better now than they were in his first season. He's certainly got alot to offer, and I'd hate to see him leave. He just needs to play more to get the level we want him to.

I know Danny's a local lad and he works hard so that immediately surrounds him with a bit of romanticism, but out of our 4 strikers, I'd be less cut up about Welbeck leaving. It'd be disappointing, but I'd certainly hate to see RVP, Rooney or Hernandez leave. I think they offer our attack alot more threat and potency, all are capable of plenty of goals and all are very different players. All 3 have a role to play, so I do hope this isn't Hernandez's last season with us. Certainly one of my favourite players. His attitude is remarkable, always looking to shift the praise away from himself and onto the team. He genuinely seems to love United as much as anyone at the club. It'd be a shame to lose that.
 
Hernandez would be an regular started at any top club minus United, Real, Dortmund, Barca and City.

He will be a starter for any Italian top club, Bayern, Chelsea, Arsenal(if they are called top club still).

Also I can see him having better record than Higuain for Real and quite possibly getting more games there than here with Rooney and RvP in front of him in the pecking order.
 
Wouldn't expect him to be contented - you only have one shot to make the most of yourself in football. For some players it might not be important so long as you are part of a successful team, but others will want to feel like they've really achieved something as an individual and go as far as they can. Hernandez is good enough to be a top striker for a Champions League club no doubt, although how good a club he could be that man for is difficult to say; he's not been first choice in a while here so it's difficult to judge his quality over the course of an entire season.

I hope we don't lose him, though. I've lost track at this point of how many points he's won us with his goals and he's such a likeable player.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Hernandez would be an regular started at any top club minus United, Real, Dortmund, Barca and City.

He will be a starter for any Italian top club, Bayern, Chelsea, Arsenal(if they are called top club still).

Also I can see him having better record than Higuain for Real and quite possibly getting more games there than here with Rooney and RvP in front of him in the pecking order.
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Definitely not Bayern, they just benched Gomez this season and he got 40 goals for them last year.
 
I really hope we can keep him happy here. Would like to see him start a little more frequently perhaps, but he's also proven himself to be the best sub striker in the game.
 
We've utilised his strengths this season. He's not much of a ball player (although we've seen him improve massively with the ball at his feet) and when he comes off the bench and confuses defenders its always amusing. His movement is ridiculous, defenders don't know what to do at times and when he's fresh after the hour mark and the defenders in front of him are knackered, he's so dangerous.

I'd understand if he had ambitions to be a starter every week, but despite playing very little every week, his cameos often work out well for everyone. I could see why Sir Alex would persist in giving Welbeck more chances, and them you've got RVP who has to play when fit enough so it is a difficult situation to manage.

It's great to have him and at the same time you wouldn't have anything against him if he wanted to go somewhere else and have more assurances over playing time.
 
He has scored some very important goals this season but regardless of how well he played, he always finds himself on the bench. I think his overall game has improved from last year and he'll hopefully improve this aspect even further next year.

I think if SAF gives him reassurances over the summer that he will play more next season, he will definitely stay. However, I would understand if he left as he's too good to be just a bench/squad player.
 
Cina said:
It's crazy that he can't even get on the bench today, unless he's injured.
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He's on the bench I thought? Think it's harsh though that he's not starting unless he has a knock, especially when we're brought in a few players.
 
I really want to see him start the final two games of the season atleast and show what he can do. He deserves some games now that we've won the title.
 
Overboard much? So he hasn't started for a few games, big deal.
 
Not overboard at all. He should have started today - he needs games, his record against Chelsea is fantastic. SAF said the likes of Chicharito would be played until the end of the season to they feel like they've contributed to the team. He's hardly played at all.
 
Wouldn't blame him if he wants to leave, he's too good a player to spend this much time on the bench.
 
I'm not sure he "should" be content....if he is then fair play to him. i suppose he has to look at the situation long term. If Ferguson were to sign another top striker then you could see him seeking assurances over his long-term future or position.

I think he would be ideal for a team like Valencia if they lose Saldado, or even Atletico Madrid if Falcao moves on. He could definitely start week-in, week-out for those teams. In Italy you have Napoli who may lose Cavani, or Inter who will require a long-term replacement for Diego Milito.

Dortmund post Lewandowski?? Schalke?

He would have plenty of suitors I'm sure.
 
Would love for him to stay but I can definitely see him tearing up the Bundesliga with Dortmund.
 
I really think he's been badly treated.

He's deserved far more action than he's had, and should have played today without question imo.
 
Doesn't even feature from the bench now for anything more than 3 minutes. Feel quite bad for him as his goals have won us at least 7 points (Villa, Chelsea, Newcastle) yet he's not featured at all recently.

Wonder what he's done when other players can be so shit yet still play every week.
 
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