Sherlock

Alex99 said:
The second episode was 1 hour and 20 minutes of seemingly random shit that all conveniently came together at the wedding.
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But it wasn't random - it all led towards something... and so was part of the plot.

I can see why people didn't enjoy the first episode - where the mystery plot was very much tacked onto the Sherlock is back plot - which people find less interesting. This though, the Sherlock is best man plot AND the mystery plot were woven into each other thus making the mystery a big part of the story. I found it to be very well done, but even if you didn't, I can't see how it's "random shit" as it all clearly served a purpose.
 
Re: Scandal ~ If they were going to modernise things, I would've liked Irene Adler to be the mastermind (like Moriarty). It's a bit depressing (and predictable) that - over a century after the original story - a woman has only sexual allure as the means to make her mark on society.
 
SteveJ said:
Re: Scandal ~ If they were going to modernise things, I would've liked Irene Adler to be the mastermind (like Moriarty). It's a bit depressing (and predictable) that - over a century after the original story - a woman has only sexual allure as the means to make her mark on society.
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It was a good episode though.

If you want a more contemporary view of Miss Adler, you should watch Elementary.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
But it wasn't random - it all led towards something... and so was part of the plot.

I can see why people didn't enjoy the first episode - where the mystery plot was very much tacked onto the Sherlock is back plot - which people find less interesting. This though, the Sherlock is best man plot AND the mystery plot were woven into each other thus making the mystery a big part of the story. I found it to be very well done, but even if you didn't, I can't see how it's "random shit" as it all clearly served a purpose.
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Seemingly random shit. For most of the episode it was just Sherlock recounting some tales that just happened to be conveniently linked not only to each other, but to something that was going to happen at the wedding as well. I just found it quite boring up until the last 10 minutes, at which point it was just an extremely convenient way to give them a purpose.
 
SteveJ said:
Re: Scandal ~ If they were going to modernise things, I would've liked Irene Adler to be the mastermind (like Moriarty). It's a bit depressing (and predictable) that - over a century after the original story - a woman has only sexual allure as the means to make her mark on society.
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Forever the femenist Steve. I do think the show portrays her as a powerful/compelling character (demonstrated mostly through her hold over Sherlock that no one else can match) but I get what you're saying.

Mockney said:
I think I'm with RiP & Mel though, Scandal is the best one, though it continues Steven Moffat's trend of being completely unable to kill any of his characters. It's certainly either that or Study in Pink...Interestingly both of them were probably the closest 'adaptations'
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Agreed. I may rank Study in Pink a little bit higher as it has to deal with the issues of being a pilot as well as being a mystery, which it handles superbly.
 
SteveJ said:
Re: Scandal ~ If they were going to modernise things, I would've liked Irene Adler to be the mastermind (like Moriarty). It's a bit depressing (and predictable) that - over a century after the original story - a woman has only sexual allure as the means to make her mark on society.
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You should watch Elementary then Steve (NOTE: You shouldn't) They make Adler...

Actually Moriarty....Jamie Moriarty

It's Hannibal all over again.
 
Obviously, she's/he's a top, top criminal...with very tight trousers.
 
Mockney said:
There are only something like 5 novels yes, but there are loads of short stories. A lot of these episodes have been based on them already. Irene Adler for example only ever appears in one very short story (even shorter than the one and only one Moriarty appears in) where she only meets Sherlock briefly. Liberties have constantly been taken.
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I liked the appearance of the dart blowing midget from the original "sign of the four" in the crime montage during the latest episode entitled sign of the three.

it almost made up for the cringe inducing and abysmally acted tyre kicking scene at the beginning.
 
SteveJ said:
Sounds like something from one of Relly's adventures.
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Maybe Relly is the reincarnation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

He'll pen lots of short stories about forests with astroturf pitches.
 
...and Polish people wandering about mysteriously.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
I liked the appearance of the dart blowing midget from the original "sign of the four" in the crime montage during the latest episode entitled sign of the three.

it almost made up for the cringe inducing and abysmally acted tyre kicking scene at the beginning.
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I liked the tyre kicking scene!
 
New cast:

Mel Moriarty
Mocklock Holmes
Bill Watson
Me & Alex as Irene Adler
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Sshh, you ruined it.
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I've tried to watch it on numerous occasions, but it just seems awful. It's basically just a bad Mentalist. And since the Mentalist is basically a bad Holmes anyway, the law of diminishing returns isn't being kind.

Didn't they initially allude to Moriarty being Vinnie Jones at one point? I mean, that's the level really.
 
Yay I get to be Moriarty!

Mockney, I watched the first 2 seasons of Mentalist and liked it but I haven't been watching the rest. Is it worth it?
 
Mockney said:
I've tried to watch it on numerous occasions, but it just seems awful. It's basically just a bad Mentalist. And since the Mentalist is basically a bad Holmes anyway, the law of diminishing returns isn't being kind.

Didn't they initially allude to Moriarty being Vinnie Jones at one point? I mean, that's the level really.
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Yep.

It's an odd one. It varies in quality from very good to very poor and I was going to stop watching it after the first few eps, but it's strangely addictive. I like Miller's Holmes and I didn't actually mind what they did with Adler/Moriarty* and Sherlock's drug addiction problems. I was very relieved when Vinnie Jones wasn't Moriarty though. That would have killed it for me.


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The way it panned out meant that she'd totally manipulated him from day one and he'd fallen totally for her, only to realise she was his arch nemesis. Moriarty really got into his head and learned all about him before fecking him over with her reveal. The sort of thing you'd like and expect from a nasty devious Moriarty.

It's not quite a guilty pleasure but it comes close occasionally
 
SteveJ said:
In my new, non-sexist Sherlock, Mrs Hudson is now a detective.
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I think she should be a picture of the Hudson River on Sherlock's wall. When he takes drugs in his bored/frustrated moments, her face emerges from the painting and he chats to her.
 
SteveJ said:
In my new, non-sexist Sherlock, Mrs Hudson is now a detective.
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I refer you to this post I made this morning. My skills as an astute detective are there for all to see. I also refer you to this post which proves I have boobs.

Basically, what I'm trying to say Steve, is that I'm your man/woman, whatever you deem necessary.
 
Mel_F said:
Yay I get to be Moriarty!

Mockney, I watched the first 2 seasons of Mentalist and liked it but I haven't been watching the rest. Is it worth it?
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I quite liked the early stuff, but like you I sort of fizzled out of it. The Red John stuff got really boring after a while in their attempts to stretch it out. I don't think I've watched anything past season 3.
 
The BBC, in its wisdom, weren't interested in my appallingly-crap Welsh sitcom Sherlock Jones (this is not a joke) so I'm boycotting this series. That'll teach 'em.
 
Great episode and a return to form after the last two.

The flick your face scene was :lol:

Just wish they'd have switched the actors who play Moriarty and Magnussen.
 
The flick your face scene was great, everything after it was complete nonsense. Sherlock got outsmarted so shot someone in the head, and then they just dismissed it because someone hacked a TV with a picture of Moriarty. Hmmmm.

Not to mention Mary Watson "saving Sherlock's life" by shooting him in the chest. As opposed to just not shooting him at all, as there was actually no reason she remotely had to. Unless you just went with the bonkers overwrought character motivations.

Some of it was great, particularly the standard Moffat snappy dialogue, but loads of that was complete bollocks tbf. Particularly the plot, the dragging out of the relationship scenes (AGAIN!) and the skipping about with time for no reason.
 
I didn't mind him getting shot, that seemed logical, I just presumed Sherlock was going to do something clever and get the armed intelligence officers to shoot him rather than just doing it himself in front of everyone. Although I guess the argument would be that Sherlock did outsmart him, because Magnussen didn't for one second think Sherlock would do what he did, he thought by gathering information he knew everything about him but in the end he didn't. Maybe. That sounds like a cop out actually, but whatever, I thought it was by far the best episode of the three, even if the story with Mary was very predictable, and the Moriarty ending was a touch shit.
 
Mockney said:
The flick your face scene was great, everything after it was complete nonsense. Sherlock got outsmarted so shot someone in the head, and then they just dismissed it because someone hacked a TV with a picture of Moriarty. Hmmmm.

Not to mention Mary Watson "saving Sherlock's life" by shooting him in the chest. As opposed to just not shooting him at all, as there was actually no reason she remotely had to. Unless you just went with the bonkers overwrought character motivations.

Some of it was great, particularly the standard Moffat snappy dialogue, but loads of that was complete bollocks tbf. Particularly the plot, the dragging out of the relationship scenes (AGAIN!) and the skipping about with time for no reason.
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The plots are always bollocks aren't they? I thought we'd already established that.

I will say that all of the twists in this were far too telegraphed. Still enjoyed them though.
 
Magnussen had so much potential, can't believe they went for something as banal as that to get rid of him.

Oh and I always half expected Moriaty to come back. I'm fully expecting the 'explanation' for how he didn't die when he shot his face off to be incredibly lame though.
 
Was enjoying it until the end, you can't really just have him kill him. Have it be utterly beaten and then someone else steps in with the save fine, but he can't just lose and then decide to kill him otherwise he's really just no better than the bad guys himself, even Magnusson said he wasn't a murderer. I think to do it this way they'd really need to demonstrate that there really was no way to prove he's a bad guy but then that is quite similar to Poirots last story. Hopefully they show some sort of fallout from it emotionally for him next season.

Oh well, still another enjoyable episode but whilst there's been some good ideas I think season 3 has been a disappointment for me and gone to far away from the previous seasons. But you'd imagine now with Mary's backstory sort of dealt with and Sherlock not having to come back from the dead this time that they can maybe focus on the mysteries more next season.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Yep. That's why I wished he'd been Moriarty. Deserves more than just the 1 episode. He was a fantastically creepy individual.
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No it's fine.

I mean, you saw him get shot in the head. But, remember, this is Sherlock. It's physically impossible to die, he'll probably come back in a few episodes and no one will tell you why.
 
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