Didn't mind them before. Since Game of Thrones, shows just shove them in without purpose now. Was like a cool shock factor in GoT at first as I feel like not many did it that way. Now I feel like they're over the top.
Film Sex scenes: what's your stance?
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Really? They’re barely ever in shows anymore. GoT is the show I feel that gave needless sexy scenes in tv shows a bad name and stopped it mostly. The spin off had no tits.
C. I'd like any scene to be meaningful to the film as a whole, same with sex.
Actually, @Sweet Square will be happy to hear Paul Verhoeven had that exact opinion in an interview I read last week (Dutch newspaper interviewing Dutch film makers about sex scenes in the context of Poor Things being released in the Netherlands). He actually also thought a lot of sex scenes aren't really sex scenes - or at least, he makes a difference between a sex scene (where the sex is important to the scene and the film) and a scene with sex. A bit abstract, but anyway!
I definitely agree with this. Show a penis, and the film is instantly 18+, or whatever the rating is. But gratuitous violence with tons of people dying can still be 13+. It's this ridiculously religious attitude to censorship in which consensual sex is worse than bloody violence and aggression.
Thanks for the info. Verhoeven is the king at showing the hypocrisy of our enjoyment of violence and our uncomfortableness of sex. Starship Troopers shows that a potential fascist future society could be almost sexless and incredibly violent.
I remember him talking about Showgirls and how its a anti erotic film because everyone is putting on a performance and having sex for money. Compared this with Benedetta where sex between two women is shown to be a religious act, a act of rebellion and act of universalism.
Have you seen Poor Things ? Overall I loved the film and how it viewed sex and sex work was brilliant imo.
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I agree. There is always a way on how you use sex scenes in the process of threading the needle in the storyline, just like about anything else. The overall attitude towards sex scenes is still too conservative in my book, especially with the amount of gratuitous violence in mass media. That being said, I will give extra points for actors out there who are willing to go the extra mile in what should be mainstream movies.
My very top movies in using sex scenes for storyline-related purposes.
1) Basic Instinct
2) Wild Things
3) Monster's Ball
4) Y Tu Mama, Tambien
5) Original Sin
5) Body Double
6) Eyes Wide Shut
7) Mulholland Drive
I haven't seen Poor Things yet, but that is on my to-do list.
Yep! He is so much more conscious about all of it than people often give him credit for - although probably not among people that are really into film.
I haven't seen Poor Things yet, no, but would love to!
Yeah but the show was unnecessary
Depends on the film and it's themes. Would be a bit weird in Wallace and Gromit but makes sense in Steve McQueens Shame.
How we’ve got this far and nobody has mentioned the Spartacus tv show is criminal!
Gratuitous and frequent.
To be fair you can’t really watch porn without the sex scenes.
They were great in Banshee and sort of important to the plot.
Necessary in Oldboy
I've paid for a ticket, I'm entitled to them titties.
Of course. They lead to the element of shock by the time the truth is revealed.
Scenes of flowers blooming and birds flying is more than enough to get the point across.
Definitely agree. Veroheven has a absolute belief in his films(Apparently he is great to work with as he sees directing as a democratic process with lots of input from others)which results in no off limits.
I think with his American films they show the insanity of our world so well that it’s almost impossible for these work to get credit on a mass level. A society which has two national anthems at its sports events while funding a genocide on the side isn’t going to understand Starship Trooper. Even critics have struggled with likes of Rodger Ebert giving Troopers 2 stars when it first came out.
Also it helps that time is pretty much the best critic and Veroheven work is more relevant now.
Most of sex scenes in Hollywood haven't been anything except something that makes young actresses reach popularity they wouldn't reach if they didn't show their tits. Of course, old perverts and paedos that direct movies can't wait to see them naked and present it like their project.
Sydney Sweeney is a perfect example of that, she wouldn't be anywhere near popular if she wasn't naked in every movie or TV show she starred. Also rewatching old movies lately, it's the same stuff with many popular hot actresses - Angelina, Sharon Stone, Nicole Kidman, etc.
The fact that no one talks about it is even worse, I am sure many good actresses lost their parts many times because they didn't want get naked for old fart in Hollywood.
Sydney Sweeney is a perfect example of that, she wouldn't be anywhere near popular if she wasn't naked in every movie or TV show she starred. Also rewatching old movies lately, it's the same stuff with many popular hot actresses - Angelina, Sharon Stone, Nicole Kidman, etc.
The fact that no one talks about it is even worse, I am sure many good actresses lost their parts many times because they didn't want get naked for old fart in Hollywood.
Somewhere between B and C - if the sex scene is integral to the plot/themes of the movie then have at it (though even then I can't see many reasons why an actress would have to get her wabs out)... but yeah otherwise it just feels a bit explotive and old male directors/producers just wanting ot see some young actress naked.
Tarantino could imply there was a whole movie and morons would still lap it up.
What if the guy's head was just one big nose? Write that down. I like that.
This gets at the fundamental issue with 'sex scenes are not necessary' logic. Very little is ever really 'necessary.'
The majority of movies are not made to tell a story. Thy are made to deliver visceral thrills; the story is just an excuse to deliver those thrills. The superhero movies you mention are just a series of set pieces with a story that is meant to connect them. Same with action movies in general. Hell, sometimes action movies dispense with the pretense that you need any kind of serious story, like John Wick or The Raid.
If you begin with the position that something is not "necessary" until proven otherwise then you'll be hard pressed to keep anything.
It's a bad standard professionally too.
There's a couple of comments above about exploitation of women who might be pressured to appear naked in movies.
That is bad, yes.
You know what is worse? People dying or suffering serious injuries while making action movies, which happens quite often!
That was just porn.
To me if the actors are comfortable with what is going on and not pressured then it is fine. Like others have said, the violence we accept in media as "normal" but seeing a penis is shocking still. Is what is weird. I am all for action movies etc, but that isn't normal life. People naked in their houses or having sex is everyday life. But more often than not a couple penises gets you rated R immediately.
Sex amounts for what... like 90% of human motivation? You tell a human story without it, you're probably doing it wrong.
Filth
Walked into that, I didI feel its just pointless filler now and its akward watching it with friends and family. It used to be daring, now it there are so many sex scenes in series it bothers me. If i want porn ill just go to youporn or redtube or whatever. Id take good writing any day than prolonged netflix/hbo sex scenes
"ass to ass" scene from Requiem for a Dream
High art or nah?
High art or nah?
If it is used in artistic ways, then I'm all in for it.
For example, Daddario's tits and ass elevated a decent show (True Detective season 1) into cult TV status.
For example, Daddario's tits and ass elevated a decent show (True Detective season 1) into cult TV status.
Not as much as ass to mouth like in the Human Centipede.
this dude wants to see actors hanging brain and he ain’t care who knows it.
Truth.
I'd rather see gratuitous sex scenes, than gratuitous violence.
So, bring it on.
So, bring it on.
as a mason greenwood fan, i can’t imagine one without the other.
No violent sex, please.
They're pointless unless they show it going in and out.