Set of players we can buy for €120m - would you still want Pogba?

Payet can keep his level for a season or two, but he is not the answer to our problems. Pogba on the other hand can reach a few higher levels, lasts longer, and is a marketing heaven of a player. Would be a real statement signing for United and along with Ibra and Mkhi, every club and player would sit up and take notice, United mean business again.

I didn't said Januzaj would get game time ahead of Draxler if Draxler was here. I just said I don't want Draxler to come as we dont need him as we have enough bodies for wide positions.

Kante as I said I would pass especially if Matuidi is available.

And for all jokers quoting 50-60 mil EUR prices for Veratti and Griezmann just stop it. Veratti is untransferable. Just ask Barca and how they tried to get Thiago Silva out of PSG. You even can't buy a fecking Marqinhos off them. Griezmann would cost 80-100 mil easily if he went to BPL as every top club would bid for him. But as soon as Simeone signed that was the end of hoping for his transfer.

But this isn't a Payet versus Pogba discussion alone though. Its more of the impact 3-4 very good players (some 29, some 24 or 25 years old) collectively offering more than Pogba would on his own.

Anyone mentioning Griezmann in here is having a laugh, he's just signed a new deal and it'd probably take the same kind of money to buy him as is being talked about for Pogba.

Agreed - The thread was made without stating the obvious assumption that alternative target(s) should be realistic. Otherwise this discussion is pretty pointless.
 
No we didn't. Not really.

The talk of 'breaking even' on Di Maria was based on his written down value, having seen out one year of his contract.
Wasnt it around £50-52m + adds ons, which were based on appearances and him winning trophies with us. He didnt do squat. So Im pretty sure we didnt pay Madrid any of the add on fees. We sold him for around £46-49m.
 
Anyone mentioning Griezmann in here is having a laugh, he's just signed a new deal and it'd probably take the same kind of money to buy him as is being talked about for Pogba.
Oh no dont worry about it. People who dont want Pogba are okay with us spending £100m on Griezmann. They just dont want Pogba.
 
Wasnt it around £50-52m + adds ons, which were based on appearances and him winning trophies with us. He didnt do squat. So Im pretty sure we didnt pay Madrid any of the add on fees. We sold him for around £46-49m.
I can't remember the actual numbers but I do remember the break even stuff being on an accounting written down value basis.
 
No we are talking about what combination of players would you prefer over Pogba for a combined fee, not who is available, weather they are happy or not etc. It is all hypothetical anyway. As I stated and will carry on stating Verratti and Griezmann would be my prefered option over JUST Pogba. (for the fees I quoted, and stand by too).
Please wake up. Javier Martinez was 40 mil years ago and not the clear best of his crop. Renato Sanchez went for 40 mil + 40 mil in clause this summer. Hypothetically or not, Verrati is the cream of this generation in his position. He can't cost more than Renato Sanchez?

Oh no dont worry about it. People who dont want Pogba are okay with us spending £100m on Griezmann. They just dont want Pogba.

The fee we bought was said to be around 60 mil and PSG paid us one year later for around 45 mil. I use "around" since there is no certainty as there are infos left out from public. Let's leave that the difference between the 2 written down fee is like a loan deal as Di Maria always had his mind to Paris during his time here.
 
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Felliani, Herrera, Rojo, Blind and Schweinsteiger cost about 120m Euro. I will stick with Pogba thanks.
 
Anyone mentioning Griezmann in here is having a laugh, he's just signed a new deal and it'd probably take the same kind of money to buy him as is being talked about for Pogba.
Likewise for Verratti. And that's if PSG actually entertain offers and not threaten to put in a retaliatory bid for the whole of Manchester instead.
 
It's not my money, but I'd rather spend it on Kante and a deep midfielder to partner him.

Kante and Kroos for example, wouldn't cost anywhere near that.
Problem is Kroos is unattainable. Kante however would be both a realistic and brilliant signing.
 
Likewise for Verratti. And that's if PSG actually entertain offers and not threaten to put in a retaliatory bid for the whole of Manchester instead.
Hahaha, yeah, wasn't there that bit of news of the Sheikh threatening Barca with something along those lines a couple of years ago? I think if Barca continued pursuing Thiago Silva, they'd activate Messi's release clause? :lol: I'm no sure if those comments ever proved to be true though. Was still funny though.

Yeah, people thinking we can get Verratti for 50m are mistaken. PSG dont want to sell (their owner said he is nontransferable) and by all accounts, Verratti is happy there. He'll prob also only leave for Barca/Madrid when the time is right. Immense players though. Probably my favorite CM at the moment.
 
You don't need to look far. Fellaini 25+ mil, Mata 35+ mil, Herrera 30 mil, Schneiderlin 25 mil, Di Maria 1 season loan around 15 mil are roughly the Pogba money.

Exactly.

There's this stupid idea that 'value' is what made this club big. Which is a lie. Its true that we made some great bargains in the past but for every Schmeichel we had tens of Fosters and Carrolls and for every Ole and Hernandez we had tens of Nevlands, Smiths, Bellions, Bebes, Djemba Djembas and Klebersons. We would have never built a dynasty if the club didn't repeatedly broke the bank to get the likes of Keane, Robson, Rio, DDG, Stam, Rooney and Ronaldo (12m for an 18 year old winger who had the tendency to dribble himself to the corner flag was big money).

There's no magic wand or perfect mix in all this. However in my opinion, United should promote top quality youth (don't waste time on cannon fodder like Mcnair), buy the best players in areas that the youths in the youth academy cant sort and keep a look out for the occasional bargain.
 
Please wake up. Javier Martinez was 40 mil years ago and not the clear best of his crop. Renato Sanchez went for 40 mil + 40 mil in clause this summer. Hypothetically or not, Verrati is the cream of this generation in his position. He can't cost more than Renato Sanchez?

Renato Sanchez cost Bayern I believe in the region of $45m, I never said Verratti would be that cheap did I!
 
As long as the transfer and the wages do not financially cripple us now and in the future and Pogba is mentally set on coming here, I have no problem with the sum.

If he becomes the best in a few seasons, we'll recoup the money in his next sale. If he doesn't but manages to serve us long term at a high level, that's better too.
 
I think this argument of signing a set of players for the combined total of the rumoured Pogba fee is silly.

Firstly, these set of players must be at a quality that they can some in and automatically drastically improve the squad. They have to be currently available. They have to be willing and happy to come here. We have to be confident they will be able to settle in Manchester.

There are so many factors that make a signing a successful one.

Yes, the fee for Pogba is ridiculous - but the only way this should concern us fans is that being the world's most expensive signing might get to Pogba's head and affect his performances in a negative way. The size of the fee may also have a positive effect. He may be a person who is determined to prove that he is worth every penny - working harder than he ever has done.

For those concerned about the fee; look at it this way. If we do in fact sign Pogba for €120m, if he maintains his current level of progress and development, putting in similar performances as he as done for the past 3 years, then we will at least make our money back when he pisses off to Real Madrid in 4 years time. The market will continue to inflate, and at this stage Pogba will probably be worth close to double that.
 
One world class player is worth more than three very good players. If it is possible to get Pogba it's a no brainer really. We have the money to spend so spend it on the team. Why is everyone obsessed with the price? Imagine attack with Martial, Ibracadabra, Mkhitaryan and Pogba behind them. Just picture it. Now stop caring about the price Ed an Jose would know if it is worth the risk.
Because we have other areas to fill and Pogba isn't going to make "that" difference. Kante, Kroos and Mahrez are possible for that money if Real took Pogba e.g.
 
Problem is Kroos is unattainable. Kante however would be both a realistic and brilliant signing.

Isn't Kante this year's Schneiderlin and the Fellaini of 3 years ago?
 
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De Gea
--Valencia-----Smalling-----Bailley---------Shaw---
--Schneiderlin--
--Rooney-------Pogba----
----Mkhitaryan-------------------------------------Martial-------
--Ibrahimovic--
That team on paper to be looks very solid (if this transfer can actually be pulled off)

A few people have said that the defence lets us down but I feel (based on Bailleys critics) that we have a young talented CB partnership.

Over the past few years, we set out to replace our aging squad. And that transition is looking complete.

The depth we have in talent is getting there now and I for one, am very excited.
Why is Rooney in that line up? Jose has already indicated that Wayne isn't a good enough CM and will be competing for the striker position?
 
Why is Rooney in that line up? Jose has already indicated that Wayne isn't a good enough CM and will be competing for the striker position?
Its the same thing. Rooney as a #10 with Pogba and Schneiderlin behind him.
 
Renato Sanchez cost Bayern I believe in the region of $45m, I never said Verratti would be that cheap did I!
It's widely reported it's 40 mil + another 40 mil add on. You said your valuation of Verrati would be 50-60 mil. Renato Sanchez only needs 24 matches each season for his current contract to make up 20 million of the addon fee (so 60 mil). If he can't make that much appearance, then he is either shit or injury prone = Bayern paid 40 mil for a flop! So you think Verrati is 20 million apart from an unproven player who pose huge risk?
 
No we are talking about what combination of players would you prefer over Pogba for a combined fee, not who is available, weather they are happy or not etc. It is all hypothetical anyway. As I stated and will carry on stating Verratti and Griezmann would be my prefered option over JUST Pogba. (for the fees I quoted, and stand by too).

But you are not getting Verratti for 50m that's the problem, in your proposition the fee isn't realistic.
 
Pogba's probably the best young box to box midfielder in the world. Name me a better one if you can.
 
No we are talking about what combination of players would you prefer over Pogba for a combined fee, not who is available, weather they are happy or not etc. It is all hypothetical anyway. As I stated and will carry on stating Verratti and Griezmann would be my prefered option over JUST Pogba. (for the fees I quoted, and stand by too).
Both the players you want wont cost less than £75m odd million while both being less marketable than Pogba.
 
Likewise for Verratti. And that's if PSG actually entertain offers and not threaten to put in a retaliatory bid for the whole of Manchester instead.

Maybe we could accept their bids for Rooney, Fellaini, Rojo and Mata? Even if we don't get Verratti, we would still be better off!
 
Renato Sanchez cost Bayern I believe in the region of $45m, I never said Verratti would be that cheap did I!

Verratti is a great talent but he's very very short (Scholes is taller then him) and he's physically weak. He would also cost as much as Pogba does.

Also no one in Italy would prefer Verratti to Pogba.
 
Pog, Pog, Pog.

We could still get Kante (if we want) after we get Pogba. There are rumours about a clause, and in addition we can finance his signing by selling Mata and Fellaini. If Mourinho doesn't trust Schneiderlin then we will probably get Kante. I think that it is still early to get Draxler, and don't rate Payet that much.

Better a world class player than three very good players IMO. We don't have any world class player in our team bar De Gea and Ibra (providing he continues playing as good as before), so we need some.
 
Obviously this discussion is pointless because Juve won't sell Pogba, even for £100m :wenger:
 
Pog, Pog, Pog.

We could still get Kante (if we want) after we get Pogba. There are rumours about a clause, and in addition we can finance his signing by selling Mata and Fellaini. If Mourinho doesn't trust Schneiderlin then we will probably get Kante. I think that it is still early to get Draxler, and don't rate Payet that much.

Better a world class player than three very good players IMO. We don't have any world class player in our team bar De Gea and Ibra (providing he continues playing as good as before), so we need some.

In that case, no Pogba?
 
:lol:

Smalling would be on the bench at both Madrid and Barcelona.
Probably not even there considering that all three of Ramos, Pepe and Varane would be ahead of him and quite often there is only one space for a CB in the bench.
 
We'd never persuade PSG or Atletico to sell unless we offered Pogba-esque money imo. 60m wouldn't get either.
Maybe not just yet, but I think Griezman could be had in a season or so for 60m-ish, providing he wants the move. Athletico are a selling club, It's just Simeone that changes things in that respect. Verratti on the other hand would command a lot more I reckon.
 
Madrid and Barca have shown this is the best way to go if you want to seriously compete.

I'd rather we buy a Pogba + 1-2 pieces every summer than 8 players every summer. What would be the point of that? You can only play 11 players.
 
Griezmann, no contest.

Albeit, let's put it into perspective, €120m for Pogba is just slightly more than the £75m we get annually from Adidas. If signing him gets us top 4 minimum next season, it's already money well spent, bad optics aside.
 
Because we have other areas to fill and Pogba isn't going to make "that" difference. Kante, Kroos and Mahrez are possible for that money if Real took Pogba e.g.

What other positions we need to fill that we couldn't if we got Pogba? Additional CD wont be a problem if Jose want's it. RB? Unless we sell Darmian Valencia will play there. Wide positions are stacked, striker too. DM? We won't need a pure DM, Bastian, Schneiderlin can do a job there, even Carrick. if available we will go for Matuidi who is a DM and a runner money is not a problem. We will also sell a few players so the money is not the problem. Money is not a problem the only problem is availability of world class deep lying playmakers. None of Modric, Kross, Veratti are available.
 
Exactly.

There's this stupid idea that 'value' is what made this club big. Which is a lie. Its true that we made some great bargains in the past but for every Schmeichel we had tens of Fosters and Carrolls and for every Ole and Hernandez we had tens of Nevlands, Smiths, Bellions, Bebes, Djemba Djembas and Klebersons. We would have never built a dynasty if the club didn't repeatedly broke the bank to get the likes of Keane, Robson, Rio, DDG, Stam, Rooney and Ronaldo (12m for an 18 year old winger who had the tendency to dribble himself to the corner flag was big money).

There's no magic wand or perfect mix in all this. However in my opinion, United should promote top quality youth (don't waste time on cannon fodder like Mcnair), buy the best players in areas that the youths in the youth academy cant sort and keep a look out for the occasional bargain.
I think we can do with the sell with buy back clause, like Barcelona and Real Madrid use.

With the buy back clause, in a sense we can force clubs to play the youngsters because they have to pay us a fee to get them. The clubs can't sell them without our permission nor without paying us further with the profit. If they youngsters turn out to be dross, we already have the money. If the youngsters turn out to be good, we trigger the buy back clause and pay them the development fee. That's better than let them go for free like with Pogba or pay them high just for them to play in U21 league or loan the. Out to sit on other team bench.
 
Isn't Kante this year's Schneiderlin and the Fellaini of 3 years ago?
Disagree. Fellaini was always a very limited player, one I never rated. The Schneidlerlin example is more comparable but even then, Schneiderlin has clearly not played at his best here. Easy to say any decent player is the next 'insert name'. Also, Kante has just won the league.
 
Maybe not just yet, but I think Griezman could be had in a season or so for 60m-ish, providing he wants the move. Athletico are a selling club, It's just Simeone that changes things in that respect. Verratti on the other hand would command a lot more I reckon.
He just renewed his contract and his release clause went up from 80m euros to 100m+ euros. So, if someone can sign him (a big if considering that he wants to stay there especially with Simeone continuing), it will be a similar amount of money we will have to pay for Pogba. But the discussion is academical considering that he's not going to leave this season, in any case.

In the future he might be cheaper (Atletico needing money/Simeone leaving/him not playing this good etc etc), but we need improvements now, not in the future.