Sergi Roberto

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There are occasions when a buying club does a deal with the selling club at above the release clause price. But, it's not about tax - and with the tax office ruling, it never needs to be about tax.

Sometimes it suits the clubs to have payments spread over a few years, rather than in one bite. Sometimes there's a loan deal, or a friendly match, or a lower starting price but with higher add-ons that work for both sides. There's also the question of good will, a release clause is used to take a player, with or without the selling club's consent, which might poison the next deal you try to make.

The other thing that makes clubs talk is where there are sell-on fees owed to a player's previous club, or a solidarity payment to a player's junior team. Sometimes it can work to the selling club's advantage to have the release clause officially sprung, sometimes not.
 
KM said:
Yes. But the club still can't turn down the offer, so that report is bogus.
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It does, because in Spain the player has to buy himself out of the contract doesn't he? See Neymar and Herrera, off the top of my head. Obviously they're only going to do that if they want to move.
 
People being a bit harsh on him. It's like Barca playing Herrera at right back. Most the people are judging him as a right back which isn't even his position.
 
Contract renewal time surely. Anybody who needs a better contract and happens to play in a position that we look to strengthen seems to be linked to us.
 
jojojo said:
The Spanish tax authority confirmed last year that there is no tax to be paid on a release clause payment made at a player's request by a club, whether that's a Spanish club or another EU one. It's been the actual practice for several years, but there was always a worry that the tax office could come looking for the money, because the law was ambiguous.
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That's the thing, it is indeed ambiguous and whether the tax comes after the fact, whether it is considered capital gains tax for the player or handled as any other foreign transaction for Spanish asset acquisiton
 
Seems odd we are linked. Doesn't strike me as a jose type and the fee, even in the inflated market seems high.

Aware he can play RB and midfield, but don't think he does either particularly well
 
One of these rumors that will die quickly. I won't be bothered by it.
 
LennonNL said:
It does, because in Spain the player has to buy himself out of the contract doesn't he? See Neymar and Herrera, off the top of my head. Obviously they're only going to do that if they want to move.
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We paid Herrera's clause.
 
With Fosu-Mensah and Borthwick-Jackson both being loaned out, I can understand why we have suddenly been linked with full-backs again recently. Aurier, Fabinho and Sergi Roberto have all been mentioned recently. Interesting to me that Fabinho and Roberto can both play in central midfield too, I think either of those two would be an excellent addition to the squad right now because there's nothing wrong with Valencia playing at right-back, we do need some long-term succession there but also there's no need to be looking for someone who replaces him right now, rather just a cover/rotation option. Roberto and Fabinho make sense there because either of them can also pick up games playing in midfield, and Valencia can also grab games out on the wing if either of those were to start at full-back.
 
Don't really rate him going by his displays for Barca thus far. However, he is very highly rated by those inside La Masia.
 
el3mel said:
Herrera paid the release clause.



We may still have given him the money to pay the clause but officially and on papers he's the one who paid it.
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Could have sworn we paid it. Fair enough I was wrong.
 
TehRed said:
With Fosu-Mensah and Borthwick-Jackson both being loaned out, I can understand why we have suddenly been linked with full-backs again recently. Aurier, Fabinho and Sergi Roberto have all been mentioned recently. Interesting to me that Fabinho and Roberto can both play in central midfield too, I think either of those two would be an excellent addition to the squad right now because there's nothing wrong with Valencia playing at right-back, we do need some long-term succession there but also there's no need to be looking for someone who replaces him right now, rather just a cover/rotation option. Roberto and Fabinho make sense there because either of them can also pick up games playing in midfield, and Valencia can also grab games out on the wing if either of those were to start at full-back.
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Where is TFM going?
 
el3mel said:
Herrera paid the release clause.



We may still have given him the money to pay the clause but officially and on papers he's the one who paid it.
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The player has to pay it, he's the one with the contract that is being revoked. What was confirmed a couple of years ago is that a club can provide the actual cheque to do it.

It has to be that way otherwise most players clauses are actually illegal, because their contracts would be deemed unfair. A player on 2m Euros a year couldn't reasonably be asked for 20m to buy out the last three years of his contract, when the club could pay him off for 6m. However, if you allow club to club relationships to enter the contract then you can put what's effectively a transfer fee in there.

Ultimately that's what the various ruling by the LFP and the tax office have been about. They looked at the intent of the original law and concluded that the intention was to set a price, not to create an impossible barrier to players using the law.

In other news, Sergi Roberto! I don't see it myself unless he's got significantly better in the past season. Though I guess one possibility is that we're expecting to lose a player now or next summer, due to contracts running down.
 
He's by no means a poor player. Seems a decent 'jack of all trades'- but i'm not sure we should be focusing on building the squad that way, If Mourinho wants a RB, then he should get a specialist RB. If he wants CDM cover then Sergio Roberto would be a decent option if they were selling for a lot less than the release clause and money was being left for a specialist winger.
 
I like him but I'm not sure if we need a multi functional player.
 
He is now reported to be pissed off by Barcelona's management after the Paulinho signing and wants to leave. Chelsea and us are rumoured to be in for him. Not sure how many games can he play for us as CM as we already have quite a few options now and not entirely convinced by his performances as a RB. However it's always good to have someone to cover for Valencia.
 
Think we can do better. Is he any better than Herrera ? No - if yes, Barca wouldnt have followed Herrera
 
I reckon he'll sign for Chelsea, if he is to leave. They need a new CM and Roberto is far superior to Drinkwater and would cost about the same.
 
dasty said:
He is now reported to be pissed off by Barcelona's management after the Paulinho signing and wants to leave. Chelsea and us are rumoured to be in for him. Not sure how many games can he play for us as CM as we already have quite a few options now and not entirely convinced by his performances as a RB. However it's always good to have someone to cover for Valencia.
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Seems like a really happy camp at Barcelona behind the scenes. Good for them. Im not entirely sure us signing him as a right back as cover for Valencia is a very good idea considering its like @Bojan11 said, its not his natural position at all.
 
Not a United player in my opinion. He's been trained to play the "Barcelona" way from a very young age.

We need players who fit into the English style. That's what United are about. Strong, physical, hard working players. Not tiki-taka possession based style players.
 
bond19821982 said:
Think we can do better. Is he any better than Herrera ? No - if yes, Barca wouldnt have followed Herrera
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Barca signed Paulinho though and he is nowhere near the quality of Herrera let alone Roberto. They probably aren't really good with transfers.

Robertd0803 said:
Seems like a really happy camp at Barcelona behind the scenes. Good for them. Im not entirely sure us signing him as a right back as cover for Valencia is a very good idea considering its like @Bojan11 said, its not his natural position at all.
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Yeah don't really care about us signing him. However I am not really fond of the idea of him joining Chelsea because I think he can be very good for them.
 
Jaybomb said:
Not a United player in my opinion. He's been trained to play the "Barcelona" way from a very young age.

We need players who fit into the English style. That's what United are about. Strong, physical, hard working players. Not tiki-taka possession based style players.
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True. Each team should stick to their strengths IMO. It's the clashing of styles that makes it interesting anyway.
 
serghei said:
True. Each team should stick to their strengths IMO. It's the clashing of styles that makes it interesting anyway.
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So many fans just want us to sign the big foreign players without even thinking for a second if they will suit the club or the tactics or the formation or even the manager.

Iniesta for example is one of the best midfielders of all time but I don't think for a second that he would suit Manchester United. It would just look out of place and I could say that about guys like Zidane, Xavi, Totti, etc. They would be out of their element at United and I'm positive it wouldn't work out.

Look at Schweinsteiger, Di Maria, Falcao, Veron, Forlan as proof of this. I'd argue all of those guys were some of the best players of the past decade and they all failed at United cause their styles didn't match up to the way United play.

Someone like Harry Kane would suit United more than the original Ronaldo would. And Ronaldo is arguably the best striker of all time. But could you see him in a United shirt? I couldn't.
 
The feck.
You make it sound like flair players aren't for us.
De lima would have torn it up here. I'm sure of it.
 
Jaybomb said:
Not a United player in my opinion. He's been trained to play the "Barcelona" way from a very young age.

We need players who fit into the English style. That's what United are about. Strong, physical, hard working players. Not tiki-taka possession based style players.
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Well, I can guess you've seen like 0 minutes of Sergi Roberto playing football



The problem this guy has at getting minutes in Barcelona is that he's not a "fantasista", not some kind of Xavi/Iniesta compossed player with pause in his game and godlike ball control to get the ball glued to his foot.

Sergi Roberto is, in a way, a positional Barcelona player, but his better traits are that he's a direct player, fast and strong. He likes football being easy (get the ball deep, run to the other goal) and has one of the better engines in the Spanish league, he also has fuel in his tank to cross the whole field after a 92' clasico for example.

I don't think United should waste 40M on Sergi Roberto, your midfield is good enough to limit his role as a rotational player, and up front you still have Lingaard who can do what Sergi does when playing there, for 40M there has to be better options to find a sub for Valencia, but we're not talking about a tiki-taka player here, he could thrive in a fast and direct league like the PL
 
Adisa said:
The feck.
You make it sound like flair players aren't for us.
De lima would have torn it up here. I'm sure of it.
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How many "flair" players had we got when we won 13 Premier League titles? Ronaldo was a breath of fresh air compared to the hard working/old school styles of Beckham and Giggs.

Ultimately it's players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Rooney etc that won us all those titles. We should stick to buying players like them cause that's what's worked for us. Why buy Barcelona style players when we don't play like Barcelona?

We're Manchester United. We're not a silky Spanish side.
 
Jaybomb said:
How many "flair" players had we got when we won 13 Premier League titles? Ronaldo was a breath of fresh air compared to the hard working/old school styles of Beckham and Giggs.

Ultimately it's players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Rooney etc that won us all those titles. We should stick to buying players like them cause that's what's worked for us. Why buy Barcelona style players when we don't play like Barcelona?

We're Manchester United. We're not a silky Spanish side.
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If we want to win another CL we'll need more than meat and potatoes grafters, and I don't know what versions of Giggs and Scholes you watched but they were both flair players with silky ability as was Cantona and a young Rooney, as well as Ronaldo, Nani and RvP, two of those 3 took us to the latter titles we won. This idea we should be running around as a Rugby team is wide of the mark, you need a mixture to evolve with the times in Europe while still competing in the archaic PL.
 
Jaybomb said:
How many "flair" players had we got when we won 13 Premier League titles? Ronaldo was a breath of fresh air compared to the hard working/old school styles of Beckham and Giggs.

Ultimately it's players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Rooney etc that won us all those titles. We should stick to buying players like them cause that's what's worked for us. Why buy Barcelona style players when we don't play like Barcelona?

We're Manchester United. We're not a silky Spanish side.
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You make it sound like Scholes, Giggs, Beckham or even Cantona were lousy footballers, they were top quality in their era.
 
Jaybomb said:
How many "flair" players had we got when we won 13 Premier League titles? Ronaldo was a breath of fresh air compared to the hard working/old school styles of Beckham and Giggs.

Ultimately it's players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Rooney etc that won us all those titles. We should stick to buying players like them cause that's what's worked for us. Why buy Barcelona style players when we don't play like Barcelona?

We're Manchester United. We're not a silky Spanish side.
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Sergi Roberto isn't a flair player though, and it nothing like what you're making him sound like, which I assume you think he's some sort of Iniesta-lite. He isn't, and far from it. Not every player who comes through La Masia is 5ft6, 120lbs soaking wet and was born passing a football. In terms of what you're describing, Sergi Roberto is rather un-Barca in style and what he can do.

Good player. Not sure we need him for the midfield, but in the current market, if he's going for £40m, it would be a snip for a top 6 PL side.
 
The catalyst to our reign of domination was a Frenchman who had flair in abundance.
 
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