Sergi Roberto

[kirk buttercup]

The Spanish John O'Shea.

Cool . John O shea has a few more Premier league medals than Stevie G

 

[Rake]

I gave you examples of what I spoke of as well as the full context of transfers in/out of Spain

It's always possible that Sergi has negotiated terms with United behind Barcelona's back but if it were to be revealed, club would look it at as a hostile bid regardless - hence, the fee would have to go up as explained earlier. It's why it's best to deal with the club first with respect to the fee, then player as it is easiest.

In any event, if the bid is true I am skeptical that the player has already agreed terms as I mentioned in the OP

It is very naive to think that clubs activate clauses and hope that the players agrees to sign.

Agents are contacted in various ways before clubs enter negotiations.

 

[FCBarca]

It is very naive to think that clubs activate clauses and hope that the players agrees to sign.

Agents are contacted in various ways before clubs enter negotiations.

Less naive then thinking by agreeing personal terms that the deal is anywhere close to halfway done

 

[pacifictheme]

Yeah noone meets the release clause without knowing the player wants to come. If its true, hes already said yes.

Every chance barca allowed us to talk to him as well. No reason to suggest it was done in secret.

 

[roonster09]

Less naive then thinking by agreeing personal terms that the deal is anywhere close to halfway done

You should talk to Barca board then, that's how they are trying to sign Dembele and Coutinho.

 

[FCBarca]

Yeah noone meets the release clause without knowing the player wants to come. If its true, hes already said yes.

Every chance barca allowed us to talk to him as well. No reason to suggest it was done in secret.

If that were the case, the deal would be closed already

 

[FCBarca]

You should talk to Barca board then, that's how they are trying to sign Dembele and Coutinho.

I've already pointed out, just like with Verratti, that agreeing personal terms means very little in a transfer. My board is shite, that too is nothing new

 

[Wade3]

@FCBarca And what's the supposed difference between a release clause in Spain and England? Legally, you're supposed to negotiate with the club before talking to the player. In both countries, nobody does that though.
If a release clause is met, the player is automatically bought out of his contract and the selling club can't do a thing about it, just like with Neymar.

 

[roonster09]

If that were the case, the deal would be closed already

Or maybe the club isn't interested in signing the player, it's just nonsense by Spanish paper.

 

[FCBarca]

@FCBarca And what's the supposed difference between a release clause in Spain and England? Legally, you're supposed to negotiate with the club before talking to the player. In both countries, nobody does that though.
If a release clause is met, the player is automatically bought out of his contract and the selling club can't do a thing about it, just like with Neymar.

Wasn't that simple in the end though, was it - Neymar had to pay the fee himself else PSG would have to pay closer to 300 million.

It's different in Spain and this has been talked about many times before

 

[roonster09]

I've already pointed out, just like with Verratti, that agreeing personal terms means very little in a transfer. My board is shite, that too is nothing new

How was Nsymar signed? By triggering clause and then agreeing personal terms or agreeing personal terms and then triggering clause?

Players don't have to sign contract with new club, at least if they are ready to move and agree general terms then only buying club will make a move. Not sure why such a simple concept is so hard to understand.

No club will trigger the clause of lols, this isn't Football manager.

 

[FCBarca]

How was Nsymar signed? By triggering clause and then agreeing personal terms or agreeing personal terms and then triggering clause?

Players don't have to sign contract with new club, at least if they are ready to move and agree general terms then only buying club will make a move. Not sure why such a simple concept is so hard to understand.

No club will trigger the clause of lols, this isn't Football manager.

No one knows for certain how the Neymar deal went down as many theories are out there. The prevailing one that makes most sense to me is that the player & father offered themselves to PSG which began the process. PSG attempted to negotiate the fee/transfer by coupling it to players and because Verratti was off the table, Barcelona refused to budge on the tax aspect (Rising to 300 million). It forced Neymar to come up with the 222 himself, how FFP, FIFA et al deal with where & how he got that sum is likely to be the subject of some investigation in the future

 

[Wade3]

Wasn't that simple in the end though, was it - Neymar had to pay the fee himself else PSG would have to pay closer to 300 million.

It's different in Spain and this has been talked about many times before

It's irrelevant who pays. The point is, a release clause works the same way, as in it can be paid to void a contract without the selling club being able to do anything about it. Sure, they can reject it but it wouldn't hold up in a court.

 

[roonster09]

Wasn't that simple in the end though, was it - Neymar had to pay the fee himself else PSG would have to pay closer to 300 million.

It's different in Spain and this has been talked about many times before

 

[FCBarca]

It's irrelevant who pays. The point is, a release clause works the same way, as in it can be paid to void a contract without the selling club being able to do anything about it. Sure, they can reject it but it wouldn't hold up in a court.

Has to do with the amount as has been discussed MANY times before. A release clause in Spain can have the selling club insist on 20-40% tax on top of the clause unless the player can pay the clause himself. Since I doubt very much Sergi Roberto would have 40 million around to pay it himself much less negotiate behind the club's back, it makes perfect sense

 

[roonster09]

No one knows for certain how the Neymar deal went down as many theories are out there. The prevailing one that makes most sense to me is that the player & father offered themselves to PSG which began the process. PSG attempted to negotiate the fee/transfer by coupling it to players and because Verratti was off the table, Barcelona refused to budge on the tax aspect (Rising to 300 million). It forced Neymar to come up with the 222 himself, how FFP, FIFA et al deal with where & how he got that sum is likely to be the subject of some investigation in the future

That's a nice story which is very far from reality. From the Neymar press conference, it was confirmed player didn't pay the money, it was PSG.

 

[devilish]

The Spanish John O'Shea.

Oh shit

 

[mav_9me]

My all time favorite assist.

 

[cyberman]

Clubs don't have to pay taxes on buyout clauses in Spain anymore.
PSG themselves went to pay the clause and that's when La Liga refused to play ball.
OP seems to be outdated.

 

[Stretford Red1978]

How many threads do we need on this guy?!?

 

[mav_9me]

I think he is a good midfielder. Don't see how we can give him a spot in the rotation when we already have Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Fellaini. He would get games ahead of Carrick and Pereira but what's the point?

 

[Nick7]

Clubs don't have to pay taxes on buyout clauses in Spain anymore.
PSG themselves went to pay the clause and that's when La Liga refused to play ball.
OP seems to be outdated.

Yeah that rule was changed a while ago. We paid out Herrera's clause.

 

[Rake]

Less naive then thinking by agreeing personal terms that the deal is anywhere close to halfway done

Well, if he has a release clause and it is met, Barcelona can't do a thing about it really. I think last year the situation with tha clauses was reviewed and now they have a real meaning. They are easier to trigger also.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Don't think this is happening, but I'm surprised that so many people think he's average. He's a very good player who would be one of our better players if we signed him. I also think Mourinho would bring the best out of him.

 

[FCBarca]

FC Barcelona statement on transfer:

"On Thursday afternoon Neymar Jr's legal representatives visited in person the club's offices and made the payment of €222m in the player's name with regards to the unilateral termination of the contract that united both parties.

"As such, the club will pass on to UEFA the details of the above operation so that they can determine the disciplinary responsibilities that may arise from this case."

 

[roonster09]

FC Barcelona statement on transfer:

"On Thursday afternoon Neymar Jr's legal representatives visited in person the club's offices and made the payment of €222m in the player's name with regards to the unilateral termination of the contract that united both parties.

"As such, the club will pass on to UEFA the details of the above operation so that they can determine the disciplinary responsibilities that may arise from this case."

So PSG gave money to Neymar to terminate the contract, simple as that. He agreed to move to PSG before they triggered the clause, which was the initial point.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Board won't have anything to do with it specifically related to Roberto as the player would need to decide (I am skeptical he would agree to leave). However, the board is absolutely culpable for the state of affairs at the club which has led to an exodus of cantera players and possibly 1st teamers

Their are culpable simply because his buy out clause is too easily reachable.

 

[Wan]

So much saltiness whenever Neymar is brought up.

 

[LoneStar]

Why would we need him anyway? Yeah he can do a job at RB, but I don't think he makes for a good RB. Our midfield is already well stocked, and we have our own youngster trying to get through in Pereira.

 

[harshad]

I gave you examples of what I spoke of as well as the full context of transfers in/out of Spain

It's always possible that Sergi has negotiated terms with United behind Barcelona's back but if it were to be revealed, club would look it at as a hostile bid regardless - hence, the fee would have to go up as explained earlier. It's why it's best to deal with the club first with respect to the fee, then player as it is easiest.

In any event, if the bid is true I am skeptical that the player has already agreed terms as I mentioned in the OP

Moreover, trusted local reporter Gerard Romero has linked Sergi to Chelsea as well which suggests that opposing clubs are looking to tempt club/player due to all the uncertainty at Barcelona with respect to the midfield. Probably why Pep & City have been linked as well and in no link has rumours appeared on personal terms being met by any party

The fee would go higher than the release clause?

 

[roonster09]

The fee would go higher than the release clause?

It won't. There is a good explanation from Sportwitness on the rule change.

 

[FCBarca]

Their are culpable simply because his buy out clause is too easily reachable.

One of many things they are culpable for but the low fee isn't what would make a cantera player leave

 

[FCBarca]

The fee would go higher than the release clause?

Yes

 

[Akshay]

Sounds like nonsense made up by a Spanish paper.

 

[FCBarca]

So PSG gave money to Neymar to terminate the contract, simple as that. He agreed to move to PSG before they triggered the clause, which was the initial point.

One, if PSG gave the money to Neymar to terminate the contract that will be investigated as it would be taxable and leave PSG open to other consequences after an investigation is done. I am certain the story of Neymar's transfer is not over, there is more to come.

Two, it was not your initial point as the implication was that PSG negotiated with the player first when I suggested that it was the player who approached PSG to exit - not the same thing.

 

[roonster09]

One, if PSG gave the money to Neymar to terminate the contract that will be investigated as it would be taxable and leave PSG open to other consequences after an investigation is done. I am certain the story of Neymar's transfer is not over, there is more to come.

Two, it was not your initial point as the implication was that PSG negotiated with the player first when I suggested that it was the player who approached PSG to exit - not the same thing.

There is no tax on that, rules are changed from last season.

Oh yeah PSG negotiated with the player, they were interested in him for years and finally they signed him. I don't believe Barca fans and media fabricated stories that Neymar and his father asked PSG whether the old deal is still valid and all that bs, like that is going to happen. He will renegotiate better contract rather than agree to what was agreed in 2016.

 

[jojojo]

The Spanish tax authority confirmed last year that there is no tax to be paid on a release clause payment made at a player's request by a club, whether that's a Spanish club or another EU one. It's been the actual practice for several years, but there was always a worry that the tax office could come looking for the money, because the law was ambiguous.

 

[roonster09]

The Spanish tax authority confirmed last year that there is no tax to be paid on a release clause payment made at a player's request by a club, whether that's a Spanish club or another EU one. It's been the actual practice for several years, but there was always a worry that the tax office could come looking for the money, because the law was ambiguous.

Thank you. Hopefully @FCBarca will stop using that in his every second post.

 

[Rozay]

I'd gladly take Munir, although Jose isn't much the developer I fear. Great talent though.

Not sure there's much need for Sergi, although we are a bit light in the middle. I also doubt he'd leave Barcelona unless he was to be a starter here. Rather sit in their bench than ours.

 

[harshad]

It won't. There is a good explanation from Sportwitness on the rule change.

Yeah I am aware of that. I just wanted to check whether he actually thinks that the fee received by Barca would be higher than the release clause in a Sergi's contract

Yes

Would Barca receive a fee higher than the release clause or are you implying that the purchasing club would have to pay a amount higher than the release clause because of tax implications on the transfer?