Had a good game against Costa Rica, definitely looks like more of a floating attacking midfielder/no. 10 than a box-to-box mid. He certainly isn't the stereotypical no. 10 with really tight control and the ability to thread through balls through the eye of the needle, but he has a lovely touch and a lot of creativity and he gets himself into dangerous areas inside and around the box. I'd take him here, but would agree 100M seems a ludicrous price.
Sergej Milinkovic Savic
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He did double his goal tally from the previous season(where he scored 7 goals in 39 apps., which ain't shoddy for a midfielder in Serie A), but he did make 10 more appearances, and if he's been pushed further forward last season as you say and natural career progression he would do, no ?
Not just the number of goals. He was good last season. He was dominant this season. As i said, he just had his breakout season, it's kind of strange to think they wasted his potential
To me, it sounds more like you're projecting
Projecting
Where you pass your own opinion or actions off as someone else's to see the reaction or just because you are strange.
Well pardon me for having an opinion, i've followed the lads career relatively closely up until last season(obviously !!)since the time his brother was with United, and in my humble opinion, considering his skillset, feel he's better deployed as an orthodox box2box, and not as a no.10 in contact with the centre-forward as it looked like he did yesterday(I wasn't glued to it for 90 minutes mind), or as you say he played for Lazio last season.
I didn't quite mean positionally for Lazio or Serbia for that matter (Although I think he plays as the furthest midfielder for Serbia), but in terms of what he brings to the team. Powerful, strong, can dribble a bit too and is defensively adequate, it feels like he would bring in some of the qualities along with the goals, should Pogba leave.
I don't really see the Fellaini Replacement analogy either, since we already got Fred who is very much expected to occupy the right side of that midfield and bring his own unique qualities, with Herrera being his backup/rotation option.
I am concerned with a Matic Backup though. I don't think McTominay is as good as a holding midfielder as he is when he plays with dual responsibilities. You could argue that Herrera could do a job there based on Jose's first season and a few games under LvG. But I am more interested in strengthening our depth in midfield, so a move for Savic wouldn't really be ideal unless something drastic happens.
My favourite Banega story is when he was filling his car up with petrol he forgot the handbrake and the car ran over his ankle causing him to miss about 6 months.
As you do. That idiot from East17 did that and broke his back if I remember correctly?
What i meant was you're projecting your opinion what he should be based on the knowledge you have of his skillset. When the reality is that he just had by far the best season of his career playing in a different role than the one you think would suit him bestProjecting
Where you pass your own opinion or actions off as someone else's to see the reaction or just because you are strange.
Well pardon me for having an opinion, i've followed the lads career relatively closely up until last season(obviously !!)since the time his brother was with United, and in my humble opinion, considering his skillset, feel he's better deployed as an orthodox box2box, and not as a no.10 in contact with the centre-forward as it looked like he did yesterday(I wasn't glued to it for 90 minutes mind), or as you say he played for Lazio last season.
It's bit like saying Messi was wasted playing through the middle in 2011, after he just had his best season playing there
I mean, you'd think his manager who gets to see him week in week out would know and understand him better than you. And given the season he's had, it's really hard to think he's wrong
Lazio is an attacking team playing a 3411. Luis Alberto is playing behind the striker. I agree that Savic is an attacking midfielder but supporting/shadow striker? That not the impression I have. I feel he is a bit deeper. More similiar to Lingard/Alli tonight. And his heat maps support that.
Furthermore, look at his expected goals stat, a bit disappointing for a support striker in a team like Lazios. But I do not think its the case. There is quite a distance between Savic and Immobile in the build up phase.
That being said, Savic does look very well suited to being a 10 IMO.
I don’t disagree with anything in particular there. If you look at the post I was replying to, the poster was of the opinion that a Matic, Pogba and Savic midfield would be too attacking for Mourinho, and I think we’ve seen more than enough to safely say that that’s false.
Lotito is a tough fecker, also a nutter... I can’t see Juve putting more than €50m cash on the table tbh, so the rest has to be one player or two, say Pjaca and /or Rugani. Will it be enough? The more this drags on, the more Marotta has a chance. Sure, a Can - Pjanic - Savic midfield could be a real treat for us next year.
He occupied similar positions as Luis Alberto. Check his heatmap and compare with guys like Ozil or Eriksen, you'll see how much it overlaps
For the record, his heatmap against Costa Rica looks exactly like his heatmap in most serie A games this season
Come on, you know as well as me how that will go. "We offer Pjaca" "Ok, he's worth €5m for us" "Goodbye"
According to Corriere della Sera (the most read newspaper in Italy) Lotito wants € 150 mln for SMS
I presume that Lazio were Managed by Samuel Allardichi last season then, because having a 6' 4" brute as a no.10 ain't the norm, nor should it ever be.
And what's the difference between Mourinho playing Martial and Rashford down the left, but the many United fans preferring one of, or both of them to play more centrally, or down the right, are we not allowed an opinion as to what position we think would get the best out of them ?
What part of "He had the best season of his career and was one of the best players in the league" do you find difficult to understand?
Would people be talking about what's Martial's best position if he had Salah's season starting from the left?
He's not getting it.
I would say their system could have easily been described as either a 3-5-1-1 or a 3-4-2-1, and you could call Savic either the most advanced no.8 (in a three) or a no.10. The difference can be very minimal, but I would more readily call him a no.10. Label it whatever you like - second/ shadow/ withdrawn striker, attacking midfielder, advanced midfielder, trequartista, enganche - they all pretty much describe the same thing, positionally speaking. He looks to play high, adopts positions between the lines and is comfortable with the play behind him and his back to goal. That is how he makes an impact on games, using his big frame and strong balance, obvious technical quality and quick feet, and quick thinking to hold the ball up, role opponents and bring others into play. Everything about that says no.10 for me. Which qualities do you think make a deeper role ideal for him?
Lose the attitude pal, there's a bloody good chance if he'd played in a deeper role, a position he's played most of his career, and a position i'm sure he'd prefer to play he'd still have had his best season to date, that's just the norm for a developing player.
But he didn't, so it's a stupid comparison.
Would you buy him? For how much?
Okay, I'll admit it - I don't get it. Yes, he may one day be one of the best midfielders in the world, but he's not at the moment. Anything could happen from here, he's barely had 1 full season at a decent level.
Is it just insane transfer chat that comes up with a world-record fee? I mean, that's Neymar money.
Is it just insane transfer chat that comes up with a world-record fee? I mean, that's Neymar money.
‘Brute’ is a curious choice of description for Savic. Do you really see that as being the word which best encapsulates his abilities and tendencies? No.10’s come in all shapes and sizes just like every position on a football pitch - to say that it is ‘wrong’ to have a 6’4’’ no.10 is comical. Why is a box to box role the one that would get the best out of him? What qualities does he have that make that position the most suitable one for him? And in what way does the no.10 role hinder his abilities? What makes him ill-suited for that role?
100m.... he's not worth that much. I would rather get two quality midfielders with that price...... get Thiago and Frankie De Jong and still have money to spare
Won't be worth the value if there's a bidding war between the likes of Juve and Madrid.
Would buy him, price is relative. We need a RB and CB first, and then a goalscorer. If we still have €100m lying around after that, i'd spend it on Milinkovic, sure
@Raoul a bidding war involving juventus?
How are these values in the 100 million bracket? No way he can be worth that much?
It's just the Lazio chairman spouting a ridiculous number, then hoping he can settle for a little bit less. In reality though clubs won't spend over 60-70m at best IMO.
Pogba did go for €100m and his final season for juve(overall his best for them) was only very marginally better than Milinkovic's 17/18
Pogba has the name value, and star quality though. He's a branding dream.
True. And also CL experience, and 2 world class caliber seasons to go with two really good seasons at the time, whereas Milinkovic only has the one really good season and one wc-level season and no CL experience.
But then again, Coutinho went for €160m and his resumé wasn't much better than Milinkovic's either.
And most important of all: it's not like Lazio are actively looking to sell. They'd much rather keep him if they can
Juve can’t afford him unless his contract has expired. Gypos probably gonna try and exchange some of their garbage
All we need now is a pic with both of them and Vidic and he's as good as ours.
I can't wait for the SMS puns. Matic better be convincing him to join through SMS text messages, if that doesn't seal the deal then nothing will.
Can't help but feel that signing him would mean that Pogba leaves. That seems like a big downgrade to me, so no thanks.
Seriously ? How many 5'6" goal-keepers do you see, how many 6'4" fullbacks do you see, how many 5'7" central-defenders do you see, I could go on, but.....
Apart from Kanu, who was a similar height I can think of only one player at the highest level of the game, and i'm going back over half a century, that size who played most of his career as a no.10, and there is an obvious reason for that, or there should be.
And as for 'brute', feel free to go back to page one of the thread and you'll see two others posters have described him as such, it's hardly an insult, and whilst there go to page two, i've posted a video #60, have a look see, it'll save me describing his qualities.
If Real do submit a 150 euro bid, we should match it and offer a higher salary. We have the money, so we should flex our financial muscle, like we did with Pogba.
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