When he gets going. Hes very slow off the mark though
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When he gets going. Hes very slow off the mark though
Covering ground against pressing teams or pressing in midfield needs mobile midfielders.
At long distances yes, but hes very slow of the mark just like most tall players. Sprinting over a long distance rearly happens in football, only when the game is open and there is alot of space to counter, adding Savic would mean we still will struggle in congested areas.
SMS or someone like Neves?
I'm leaning towards Neves tbh
I'm leaning towards Neves tbh
I would love to have both. I've got a bad feeling he'll end up at Liverpool.
He's no slower than many other mids I can think of, Keane and Scholes were hardly quick over ground. Matic is slow but generally positions well. Unless this SMS guy is slower than Matic I can't see a problem
Keane and Scholes were quick. They may have looked slow next to e.g. Giggs but they were quicker than most other CMs
They were quick of the mark, you can be the slowest player in the team but if you have good acceleration that will be more important when you play against a deep team wich is what we face most of the time. How is being quick at long distances gonna help you if the opposition camp out in their own defence?
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Wow, you really have an issue with tall players!!Do you realise we are second in the league and in the FA Cup Final 5th highest goal scorers in the league too,all with a bunch of tall players.
Who are you after then to revolutionize this team?
You also realise we play the worst football in the top 6? we are a elite club playing mid table football, maybe standar have dropped for you, but football is all about entertainment and i haven't had that watching us for years. I could care less if we finish 4th or 2nd if we just play the right football, because while Mourinho is here i doubt we'll win the league.
I dont have a problem with tall players, but when your whole midfield consist of 190 cm players you cant compete against smaller technical sides.
I'm sorry, but football is about winning, if you want entertainment, go watch Infinity War or something.
Football is about different things to different people. Many fans support clubs who hardly win.
At United though yes we want to win, but we also want to be entertained and the two are not seperate (or shouldn’t be) at elite level clubs
The 2 need not be separate, but winning is much more important to United at the moment than entertaining.
Then we are moving away from being an elite club
I don't see the logic, if you try to accomplish both and fall short, that makes us even less of an elite club than boring our way to a major trophy or two.
Football is the biggest, most popular sport on the planet. People all over the world are ready to pay big money to watch games, both live and on telly. It´s because they find it entertaining, or at least hope that it will be.
Winning is only important if you have excitement building up to the thropy, we could win the title playing like this under Mou and i would still want him gone. If football is just about winning for you then whats the point of watching the games? you can just check result or highlights after the game.
I don’t buy into the idea that ‘tall’ players can’t compete against ‘small technical players’
Yeah me neither some of the most technical gifted players to play in this league were over 6 foot: Berkamp Ginola Cantana Henry Pires To name a few.
Then go watch Tottenham and go be entertained as they choke every big game, at the end of the day I don't see twenty awards for most entertaining team in the Old Trafford trophy case.
Neves, we need someone in midfield that can be an actual playmaker, Pogba and SMS are final third players and SMS in particular is sloppy with his passing, I cannot see any point in him unlesss Mourinho is selling Pogba in the summer.
To be fair, it’s possible to play good football and win stuff City have done it, Liverpool are on the cusp of doing it, most of fergies teams did it. There has to be a balance. It’s not ok to say feck off and watch another team if you want to be entertained
To elaborate I want to be entertained as well but there has to be pragmatism when it's called for.
Football is the biggest sports betting industry in the world, because people care about the result more than the game itself.
Let’s just agree to disagree
Elite clubs succeed at both is my point, thats what makes them elite, as in they achieve the hardest things
Stupid comment, since I said elite clubs do both, entertain and win so why the heck would I want to go and watch Spurs?
There is no reason to get upset that someone is talking about United moving away from its original status of being elite if it doesn't want to both win and entertain.
Good/great clubs win, elite clubs win in style, is the same in any sport, the elite level performers don't just win, they win in great manner. Its no slight if we get back to winning that would be great, but if we move away from entertaining, then we are no longer elite.
Its the most difficult thing to achieve thats what makes them elite.
Re your last comment, Uniteds world wide brand is based on them winning and also entertaining, it is how we came to become one of the biggest clubs in the world with such a great tradition and history, also included in that was youth development which I am happy we are still maintaining.
Lot more people bet on football than other sports because they think football is more fun. Have a strong feeling we have to agree to disagree tho.
Not sure I follow the logic here. We all want to be entertained by watching United I’m sure but it is the winning that makes a club elite. The two things shouldn’t be mutually exclusive but imo, picking up trophies on a regular basis gets you in the elite bracket.
In theory, if you keep on winning the big pots, big/star players want to play for you, the footy should improve and you potentially get both winning and entertaining. First and foremost tho, you’ve got to be winning trophies.
Real Madrid for e.g. haven’t been great this season (not necessarily saying they haven’t been entertaining- haven’t watched enough to properly comment) and have looked beatable in the CL. By most people’s reckoning, they should have been turned over by Bayern and yet here they are on the cusp of another CL trophy. That is what enables them to continue the self promotion as an elite club and attracts the big names as a self fulfilling prophecy (that and Ronaldo tbf).
Hope we get Savic and If it is 2 midfielders then Fred with him.
The single point I am making is that elite clubs do the most difficult thing. Winning in style is harder than just winning so thats the elite level
Real Madrid are not elite because of this season, they have a very long history
Anyway moving back on topic. SMS would be a good signing as long as we go for another midfielder too
Cal would watch football if it was performed on an excel spreadsheet though. His ideas of what matters in football is totally disconnected from the reality of your average match going fan
I think he's too much the same profile as Pogba. Even plays the exact same spot. With the price-mentioned, I'd rather spend a lower amount and bid for a quality proven player like Kroos.
Yup Kroos is totally attainable.
He could potentially be winning his 3rd CL in a row this year, but he would be happy to move to United, who let's be honest are far away from being a serious contender for the CL
We haven't been able to do so since Sir Alex's retirement, so we should concentrate on the winning, then try to entertain once we recapture the winning mentality.
Well, we've finished above one of the CL finalist.
I think that's a bit of a cart before the horse mentality. Winning doesn't have to happen before you start playing an entertaining style, and often playing proactive and forward-thinking football is an avenue to success.
Most people will have us believe that Liverpool and Spurs have better teams than United. There's a reason why one side has confirmed 2nd and the other two are battling for top 4 (theoretically).
I agree we are better than those two but given the disparity in spend we should be. Spurs are overrated IMO but Liverpool have gotten to a CL final which even if they lose is still indicative of their upward trajectory under Klopp. At any rate this is probably the wrong thread for this discussion so I won't derail any further.