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Is Longstaff still injured? That would be my main concern. I thought he was over it because Longstaff scored during pre season. Did not know it was Matt not Sean.
 
The Purley King said:
Agreed - so my vote is to get Longstaff for £35m or whatever and use Gomes as an attacking midfielder. Its going to drive me crazy when Mata/Lingard start ahead of him regularly if Ole does that. I can see it happening though.
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Our first game is against Chelsea. Big game.

Gomes wont start, Mata or Lingard will and probably rightly so. Big games need experienced players. I can see Greenwood starting on the right though.
I think Gomes will get 20 games over the season though in all competitions which are good numbers. His year will be next year
 
Marcus said:
Is Longstaff still injured? That would be my main concern. I thought he was over it because Longstaff scored during pre season. Did not know it was Matt not Sean.
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Sean has had a full preseason I think.
 
There's been absolutely nothing linking him with us in weeks (for anyone who's just come in here and is wondering why there's been several posts advocating his signing)
 
Suvvernmanc said:
Whatever you think of them, and I agree to a point, they are here to stay. Andreas got a new contract this summer and Fred has 4 years left on his. Matic is not good enough and we all can see his decline.

For a 2 man midfield, the numbers we have for those 2 positions are good. Not needing another player for depth is what I said. If it's to replace Matic then great.

Pogba, Mctominay, Longstaff, Andreas, and Fred would be good quality and good numbers.
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good quality for what level though? Let's look at some facts. Pogba is the only player that any of our rivals would even consider and he was iffy last year. McTominay is not a regular for Scotland and I doubt he'd get into Chelsea's team or anyone above. Andreas is not good enough for any top 10 side and wasn't in Spain. Fred has it all to prove after last season. Longstaff played 9 games at this level.
If we add up the total number of 7.5/10+ performances from all these players in the Premier league, we would barely get to 20 games. Is that good quality or more wishful thinking?
 
Stacks said:
good quality for what level though? Let's look at some facts. Pogba is the only player that any of our rivals would even consider and he was iffy last year. McTominay is not a regular for Scotland and I doubt he'd get into Chelsea's team or anyone above. Andreas is not good enough for any top 10 side and wasn't in Spain. Fred has it all to prove after last season. Longstaff played 9 games at this level.
If we add up the total number of 7.5/10+ performances from all these players in the Premier league, we would barely get to 20 games. Is that good quality or more wishful thinking?
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Firstly, for a 2 man midfield the numbers are good, maybe not brilliant in quality but good for numbers.

Pogba is a starter as I've said. But you are criminally under rating Scot Mctominay. Hes been probably our best midfielder on the tour and has only been a regular for us last season. In Jose's last season he was on and off with us. The reason why hes not been a starter for Scotland is hes only just broke through with us. He absolutely will be a starter for the national team now.

For most games in this hypothetical scenario of us signing Longstaff, Pogba and Mctominay would be the starters. And I'm more than happy with that. Then it would depend on Longstaffs quality to wether he would be a guaranteed bench player or just one for the future.

Fred hopefully just needs time.

Matic is done.

Andreas has his qualities. He can press and is a hard worker. You say he wasnt good in Spain? He played left wing for a relegation bound Grenada and was one of La ligas most creative players that season. His number were good for a team that didnt actually score that many. He then played 23 times in a Valencia team that finished the season 4th. He had good players that kept him out season too so no real smear on his time there. Imo he has something to add to our squad.

Longstaff is a risk in my opinion but I wouldn't want him just for depth. I think we lack creativity in midfield alot more than we lack a CM option like Longstaff. It's about priorities now.
 
Suvvernmanc said:
Firstly, for a 2 man midfield the numbers are good, maybe not brilliant in quality but good for numbers.

Pogba is a starter as I've said. But you are criminally under rating Scot Mctominay. Hes been probably our best midfielder on the tour and has only been a regular for us last season. In Jose's last season he was on and off with us. The reason why hes not been a starter for Scotland is hes only just broke through with us. He absolutely will be a starter for the national team now.

For most games in this hypothetical scenario of us signing Longstaff, Pogba and Mctominay would be the starters. And I'm more than happy with that. Then it would depend on Longstaffs quality to wether he would be a guaranteed bench player or just one for the future.

Fred hopefully just needs time.

Matic is done.

Andreas has his qualities. He can press and is a hard worker. You say he wasnt good in Spain? He played left wing for a relegation bound Grenada and was one of La ligas most creative players that season. His number were good for a team that didnt actually score that many. He then played 23 times in a Valencia team that finished the season 4th. He had good players that kept him out season too so no real smear on his time there. Imo he has something to add to our squad.

Longstaff is a risk in my opinion but I wouldn't want him just for depth. I think we lack creativity in midfield alot more than we lack a CM option like Longstaff. It's about priorities now.
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Mctom, Pogba and Longstaff should be an upgrade on our current status but it is still a lot or responsibility on young unproven players as we know Pogba himself is immature and unpredictable. Pogba needs reliable quality that can run the midfield as he isn't the best leader or example. Longstaff would have to step up and become a leader/general which is tough to do at a side like United, especially coming from Newc and having so few games under your belt.

The chance creation was for Under 23's. The pressure and intensity seems to much for Andreas and I feel he gets nervous when closed down and makes his game super safe. Maybe Grenada is his level and we should have sought a fee?

At this stage, due to desperation, I would happily go for Longstaff. I would normally be cautious about players who have proven so little at this level but we are indeed desperate.
 
Suvvernmanc said:
Firstly, for a 2 man midfield the numbers are good, maybe not brilliant in quality but good for numbers.

Pogba is a starter as I've said. But you are criminally under rating Scot Mctominay. Hes been probably our best midfielder on the tour and has only been a regular for us last season. In Jose's last season he was on and off with us. The reason why hes not been a starter for Scotland is hes only just broke through with us. He absolutely will be a starter for the national team now.

For most games in this hypothetical scenario of us signing Longstaff, Pogba and Mctominay would be the starters. And I'm more than happy with that. Then it would depend on Longstaffs quality to wether he would be a guaranteed bench player or just one for the future.

Fred hopefully just needs time.

Matic is done.

Andreas has his qualities. He can press and is a hard worker. You say he wasnt good in Spain? He played left wing for a relegation bound Grenada and was one of La ligas most creative players that season. His number were good for a team that didnt actually score that many. He then played 23 times in a Valencia team that finished the season 4th. He had good players that kept him out season too so no real smear on his time there. Imo he has something to add to our squad.

Longstaff is a risk in my opinion but I wouldn't want him just for depth. I think we lack creativity in midfield alot more than we lack a CM option like Longstaff. It's about priorities now.
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If we sign Longstaff then he will be a starter at the base of midfield alongside McTominay as regardless of what we might think Pogba hasn't been a success in a two men midfield in the PL. I think Pogba in the hole in front of a hardworking midfield duo is the way to go particularly with McT starting to show a new adventurous side to his game. I don't rate or trust any of Matic, Fred and Pereira in this role.
As for creativity I think its not that bad, the major problem isn't the Martial-Pogba-Shaw axis - its on the other side where we have players that create absolutely nothing wasting space on the right. A little twitch of the side, Pogba in the hole, Martial/Rashfrod as striker and on the left and Gomes/Greenwood starting out on the right will give us more creativity from both sides. We know that Martial/Rashford do well on the left and could play as striker (the gamble we have to take is that one of them or Greenwood will succeed there) and Gomes/Greenwood can be useful on the right as right sided playmaker or attacker respectively. Imo getting another player who can partner McT in a 2 men midfield is critical and more important than a creative number 10 which Pogba can do.
 
From what i have seen of Longstaff, he is better than McTom in the creative and attacking playing. Plus he is capable of scoring more goals than McTom. McTom is more athlete and has running legs.
In other words. Longstaff is better in the offensive and McTom is better in the defensive.

Longstaff is 21 and can only become better, with experience play with and against top level cm. He has to lift his level to the top too. Longstaff is good and quick enough with ball to play as a cm.

In matches where United will control and dominate the matches use Longstaff and Pogba. Against better team use McTom working rate and running legs.

Lingard - Longstaff - Pogba - Martial/James

Against better team

Lingard - McTom - Pogba/Longstaff - Martial/James

Again. I like the way Longstaff is playing football. Really composure on the ball, plus capable of scoring goals. Can expect him scoring 3-5 goals from cm each season.

And if he can turn out to be as good as Carrick or even better. It will be good to have him at Old Trafford.

In the end. Carrick is a gentlemen cm player. Longstaff is a more tougher cm player. Like McTom with a tough face. Definitive made for British football.

30 - 35 mill £ is max for Longstaff. Right good price for him. Only had second part of last season and is not on the level of De Jong. Not one of the best promising cm youngster out there. So that is his valuation. Maybe 5 mill add on if he play regular and help United to get top 4 this season.
 
I honestly thought this transfer would happen - £20 million + Jones. Newcastle are spending a lot of money which is unlike them so I wondered if it's because they already had cash coming in, besides the money from sales already made.
 
This is the only possible transfer in this short time left. Maybe we were waiting for the Lukaku transfer to go through. Maybe not.
 
Marcus said:
This is the only possible transfer in this short time left. Maybe we were waiting for the Lukaku transfer to go through. Maybe not.
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All talk about this died weeks ago, we’re done for this transfer window.
 
I think we should use the Lukaku money to just get this done even at 40 million. Sure it's a massive gamble, but if that's who the manager wants then the deal should be done.
 
GaryLifo said:
I think we should use the Lukaku money to just get this done even at 40 million. Sure it's a massive gamble, but if that's who the manager wants then the deal should be done.
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He is the one they want and I think they'll wait it out to get him. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.
 
With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
 
tob said:
With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
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I think there is player going in the opposite direction as well.
 
tob said:
With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
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I know Sessegnon was very highly rated after his season in the Championship.. but he looked lost in the Premier League..

Over rated, or just playing in a really bad side?

His stock certainly fell after last season..
 
GaryLifo said:
I think we should use the Lukaku money to just get this done even at 40 million. Sure it's a massive gamble, but if that's who the manager wants then the deal should be done.
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Adnan said:
He is the one they want and I think they'll wait it out to get him. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.
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I think January is more likely right now as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we can get him a bit cheaper in January depending on how much he plays and how Newcastle are doing. What if they're fearing the drop in January and Longstaff isn't liking the idea of going down with them? We could maybe twist Newcastle's arm there so they can afford a player they think will do enough to help them survive, or perhaps we just get him on the cheap next season when he could be a Championship player?

I'l be surprised if we make this deal this summer. I think a bit of a midfield rebuild will occur next summer along with signing that Right Winger we all want.
 
tob said:
With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
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Newcastle are on the PL, and can afford to keep him. If they consider him the difference in staying up (although that’s based on 9 games!!), then they don’t need to sell him.

Sessegnon got relegated, is presumably agitating for a move and Fulham (even with parachute payments), have just taken a massive hit on revenue from being back in the championship.
 
tob said:
With Ryan Sessegnon reportedly going for £25m you'd think the same amount would be enough for Longstaff.
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He was sold for £30m with Spurs including a player in the deal. Sessegnon was also underwhelming in the PL.
 
Adnan said:
He is the one they want and I think they'll wait it out to get him. I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him in January.
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The problem is it seems to be all about waiting. Waiting for Longstaff, waiting for Sancho. The issue with that is that if they have a great season, we are likely not going to be the only teams in for them. They will probably end up choosing other teams because they have Champions League, whilst we do not, and look better run.

With the team we have got, I don't think we will get Champions League. We need players now, not next season.
 
Untd55 said:
The problem is it seems to be all about waiting. Waiting for Longstaff, waiting for Sancho. The issue with that is that if they have a great season, we are likely not going to be the only teams in for them. They will probably end up choosing other teams because they have Champions League, whilst we do not, and look better run.

With the team we have got, I don't think we will get Champions League. We need players now, not next season.
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I agree.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Newcastle are on the PL, and can afford to keep him. If they consider him the difference in staying up (although that’s based on 9 games!!), then they don’t need to sell him.

Sessegnon got relegated, is presumably agitating for a move and Fulham (even with parachute payments), have just taken a massive hit on revenue from being back in the championship.
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That's true. There's a difference in the selling clubs position.

My point is - it's hard to accept that Newcastle's value of Longstaff is over £30m, based on what you've seen. As you've probably seen a lot more of Sessegnon and what he can perform during a whole season, both in a top championship side and in a weak premier league side, the valuation is easier to understand. £25m (+a player? Whoever that may be?) is, for some, a fair price, but for others - maybe not. Tottenham seems to think it's a fair price. As do I.

Newcastle asking for over £30m (or even higher) is crazy, and I'm disappointed over it because I really do see potential in Longstaff and think he'd be a great prospect to add to the team. I'm still hoping we're coming in with a late bid for him in this transfer window, but with the amount that's seems to be required - I don't rate it as doable.
 
@tob I think you are right, but what bugs me about Woodward above all else is he doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. Last summer we made a bid for Harry Maguire but whatever the quoted fee was, he decided it was too high (rumoured to be between 50-60 mil). He could have paid that and wee wouldn't have paid 80 mil this summer. If we can afford to pay 40 mil + a player because that's what Newcastle want, we have the funds we should pay it, rather than paying 60 million next summer if Longstaff has an amazing season, which he is likely to have barring injury as he is a quality player.

tob said:
That's true. There's a difference in the selling clubs position.

My point is - it's hard to accept that Newcastle's value of Longstaff is over £30m, based on what you've seen. As you've probably seen a lot more of Sessegnon and what he can perform during a whole season, both in a top championship side and in a weak premier league side, the valuation is easier to understand. £25m (+a player? Whoever that may be?) is, for some, a fair price, but for others - maybe not. Tottenham seems to think it's a fair price. As do I.

Newcastle asking for over £30m (or even higher) is crazy, and I'm disappointed over it because I really do see potential in Longstaff and think he'd be a great prospect to add to the team. I'm still hoping we're coming in with a late bid for him in this transfer window, but with the amount that's seems to be required - I don't rate it as doable.
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prateik said:
I know Sessegnon was very highly rated after his season in the Championship.. but he looked lost in the Premier League..

Over rated, or just playing in a really bad side?

His stock certainly fell after last season..
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Very YOUNG, I would say. I've seen him a fair bit, as I go to watch Fulham sometimes, being in London. He has lots of attributes, pace, willingness, good touch, positional discipline. However, he is still only JUST 19, and he was being asked last season to be a major part of Fulham's drive to stay up, when they made a series of signings which affected team spirit and created confusion. He often looked what he was - a boy - out there, capable of excellent moments and bursts but not physically hardened for 90 minutes of PL football.

It's a little early to say he's overrated, I would say he's a very good young athlete and player who hasn't got a fully formed footballing personality yet, understandably. Is he a winger? A wingback? Does he get into the box and score goals? Is his strength going to be delivery? How will he step up as a more experienced player in big games? Will he end up as a full-back? These aren't questions with obvious answers yet. He is very mouldable and willing to learn, I'd say Tottenham is an excellent place for him to develop further.
 
G_and_T said:
@tob I think you are right, but what bugs me about Woodward above all else is he doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. Last summer we made a bid for Harry Maguire but whatever the quoted fee was, he decided it was too high (rumoured to be between 50-60 mil). He could have paid that and wee wouldn't have paid 80 mil this summer. If we can afford to pay 40 mil + a player because that's what Newcastle want, we have the funds we should pay it, rather than paying 60 million next summer if Longstaff has an amazing season, which he is likely to have barring injury as he is a quality player.
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I'd suggest if he'd bought Maguire last summer United could be in the CL this season. But Jose would still be the manager. Swings and roundabouts.
 
I would be surprised if United don't make one last try at Longstaff. £30m and Alex Tuanzebe on a season long loan might do it.
 
Canuckred64 said:
I would be surprised if United don't make one last try at Longstaff. £30m and Alex Tuanzebe on a season long loan might do it.
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I think they’d probably reject £40mil and the loan tbh.
 
Going the sleep and hope to wake to a nice surprise. LONgstaff.
 
Easiest way to get him is if Newcastle get relegated. However rather not see them dropping points to a top 4 rival.
 
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