According to this thread, McTominay has suddenly turned into Makelele, apparently. 
We should insert a Ballon d'Or clause, no?
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Who said that?!According to this thread, McTominay has suddenly turned into Makelele, apparently.
No one. I'm obviously making fun of the sudden rating of McTominay, as if he is anything more than barely bottom-half quality. The lad has zero football intelligence and zero technique. Certainly not enough for the cutting edge of football. Getting even £35M for him would be a bloody robbery. And he absolutely needs go.
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According to this thread, McTominay has suddenly turned into Makelele, apparently.
That’s McKelele to you
According to this thread, McTominay has suddenly turned into Makelele, apparently.
I still find it strange that you have Utd fans who have watched him and Fred play for 4 or 5 years now and still think that either one of them has anything to offer and should be kept.
So I already spoke about Maguire's poor form last two seasons and he hasn't been playing very frequently last season to play himself into form. Plus we do also require our CBs to be good at playing out of back under pressure, something he is terrible at and you can tell it makes him really nervous.
I feel he should be able to give West Ham 2 good years. But very happy about the deal being signed for us.
It's mind boggling. The shit those 2 served up for years. We used be overrun in midfield on a weekly basis no matter who we were playing. They throw in the extremely rare good performance and people forget how shit they are, rinse and repeat.
This.
I still find it strange that you have Utd fans who have watched him play for 4 or 5 years now and still dont realise that he is a significantly better player on the ball, passer, and anchor in midfield than the likes of Declan Rice. He will have a great career. Hopefully he doesn't get annoyed by clueless fans and leave before he can reach the heights he is capable of here. One of the few players at the team now you can picture with a statue outside OT!
Is West Ham's midfield Soucek-Alvarez-JWP? Does that mean they are out of the McTominay race?
McSoucek sounds much much better as pair duo
Ok, I’m outta here
Hes shite. Shouldn't be anywhere close to united
Nearly chucked a cheeky bid in myself then, great positivity
Since Bruno plays almost every game, Mainoo/Mejbri(5-10 games combined) can be considered his cover. Eriksen/Mount and Casemiro/McT take up the other two spots. No place for another midfielder realistically, if we dont sell.
Fred is useful when used correctly. McTominay...not so much.
That's not to say we 'should' keep Fred, if we can replace him with someone better than by all means do it.
Sounds like this is a no-go since they're getting JWP.
Christ alive. Clearly you know more than professional football managers and coaches.
Alvarez is pure defensive, will be Rice replacement, will also get a few red cards guaranteed
Care to tell me what these managers and coaches have to show for their belief in Scott McTominay? And no, I don't mean their severance packages.
Yeah have we valued him far too high?
His reluctance to get into position and offer himself to receive the ball is really detriment for buildup. Too passive too anonymous. You'd have to wonder if getting 35M and giving a youngster his role (70-80min subsitute) in certain games where main midfielders are tired or to see the game out isnt a better option. I also have not seen improvement in his game for years and don't think he will make massive improvement going forward. If it was up to me I would let him go. Only thing he has going for him is loyal/academy/homegrown/no complaining/low wages ?. Otherwise id say he's bang average. Going forward you're not gonna win titles with Mctominay in the squad.
West Ham still need another midfielder, regardless of Paqueta, they'll come back for him with a better offer.
If McTominay stays then I’d imagine we sign a midfielder to replace Fred and DVB then loan out Mejbri. Mejbri stays otherwise.
They have JWP, Paqueta, Soucek, Downes, Vlasic and look like signing Edson Alvarez. Doesn't seem certain they would be back in for Scott unless Paqueta goes.
Yeah think you are spot on there
Vlasic is gone, back to Torino.
Soucek is terrible so is Vlasic, in fact they've been trying to offload Vlasic all summer.
EDIT: Vlasic has left.
Downes will join Southampton on loan as part of the JWP deal.
Even when opportunity presents itself, we are too incompetent to shift our deadwood. McTominay will still be a part of Man United somehow.
Reading KUMB the team seems really bare bones. Antonio and... Bowen -IIRC- may ask to leave or are not signing extensions. They absolutely need a new striker and a left back (looking into getting a Chelsea one on loan).
I think they might be back for McT, maybe 35+5m ?
I think they might be back for McT, maybe 35+5m ?
Must admit you had me here until the closing line.
No ones said that but don’t let that stop you making things up.According to this thread, McTominay has suddenly turned into Makelele, apparently.
Plus, pretty sure Moyes wants him for a Fellani role.
Vlasic gone, Paqueta going.
It's like a form of Stockholm syndrome or something. I think the bar has been lowered so much here that a lot of us forgot what real midfielders should look and play like.
There is also a weird thing here about losing average players and pining after them whenever they have a decent performance...I have seen people say we shouldn't have let go of Welbeck and how he would do a job for us just recently! I don't care if McTominay and Maguire score against us every time we face their new teams, we would still be much better off with upgrades to them and we will not be progressing to the levels we aspire to with either of them as mainstays.
McTominay appears to be in the frame, along with Gallagher, Fofana and Sangare. I'd guess it will be one of the first two, and one from the latter pair.
Then we'll be done with midfield.
Just a left back, left winger and 1-2 strikers to follow.
Then we'll be done with midfield.
Just a left back, left winger and 1-2 strikers to follow.
By that logic no matter manager apart from Pep and Klopp have anything to show for their belief in any player. So that would make 90% of players bottom tier players by your logic.
McTominay might not be good enough as a starter for a title winning team but he'd be a fine squad player for such a team or a starter for a EL or mid table team.
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Maybe. I don't think we should be so tight fisted. McT is a decent box to box midfielder, he's not a DM, we've often shoe horned him into that role. He's looked much better when playing for Scotland or when we've let him get forwards. He won't make it here at the very top level, but he's a decent player and I think as an academy product too, we ought to make sure that we do fair by him. He deserves to be regularly playing football in my opinion.
Maybe. I don't think we should be so tight fisted. McT is a decent box to box midfielder, he's not a DM, we've often shoe horned him into that role. He's looked much better when playing for Scotland or when we've let him get forwards. He won't make it here at the very top level, but he's a decent player and I think as an academy product too, we ought to make sure that we do fair by him. He deserves to be regularly playing football in my opinion.
McTomminay has to go surely? If Fred is going who is better than Scott to my eyes McTomminay has to go also.
Never rated him as a footballer apart from a few standout games for us. Fred was always much more stable and went on longer runs of form. Both have a shocker in them but some of our fans forgive McTomminay a bit more easily for whatever reason.
Never is or was United quality and it’s not his fault. Came in at a difficult time. Mid table player at best I reckon. Not enough technical ability and his physical attributes don’t come in too handy as he can’t be a DM regardless.
Basically a much worse version of Fellaini.
Fellaini to his credit really rattled teams. He was unplayable sometimes in his own annoying way. Scott has never possessed that sort of physicality.
Never rated him as a footballer apart from a few standout games for us. Fred was always much more stable and went on longer runs of form. Both have a shocker in them but some of our fans forgive McTomminay a bit more easily for whatever reason.
Never is or was United quality and it’s not his fault. Came in at a difficult time. Mid table player at best I reckon. Not enough technical ability and his physical attributes don’t come in too handy as he can’t be a DM regardless.
Basically a much worse version of Fellaini.
Fellaini to his credit really rattled teams. He was unplayable sometimes in his own annoying way. Scott has never possessed that sort of physicality.
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Scott staying wouldn't be the end of the world for us. He's physical, something we lack. But for him a move would be the best option.
I hate this attitude. There are countless examples of managers and coaches having terrible talent identification where fans were far more correct on a players level than the manager making the decisions. Some managers can be crap at deciding good footballers, just like some fans have an excellent eye for a quality player. It's not black and white
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