Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion

[Revaulx]

Nice try.

I rate him highly, hence the reason I've just stated that if I was the manager of Newcastle I'd buy him.

And I'd do so based on what previous managers have said along with wanting a good player to add depth to a potential top four team.

I like Scott as well, but I’ve seen little to suggest that he’s that sort of player.

Surely the main thing you want from a squad player is someone who can come in at a moment’s notice and do a reliable job. Sabitzer, while clearly not top class, seems to be one of those. O’Shea also; despite the occasional brain fart he had the added bonus of being massively versatile.

Scott has plenty of good games, and has had a few runs of them; like when Ralf started. But he’s had plenty of really poor ones as well; if I were his manager I’d be wary of starting him because he just isn’t reliable.

I do feel that used well in a mid-table side (i.e. as an attack-minded No. 8) he would do well as a regular starter.

 

[Champ]

So Simeone is correct by saying he’s one of the best midfielders in the world then?. Or did he actually mean he’d just add depth at Newcastle.

Those managers rated him differently to you, just as other fans are. You haven’t demonstrated anything other than quotes are unreliable. When Klopp praised Mctominay as having good potential he also had much higher praise for a ‘wonderful player’ who was none other than Robert Snodgrass.

Is that the same Snodgrass who also can't play football and is as good as a youth player like McTominay yeah?

Or the Premiership international like McTominay?

Seriously, just give up on this, it's quite simply pathetic. These managers are the experts in the game, I'll take their knowledge over yours.
I shall be responding no longer as it's like talking to a child who has no knowledge of the game.
Cheers.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I've always thought he (and Fred) would be better suited further up the pitch and as we've seen in glimpses with Fred it can actually be quite effective. Like you said he's not a DM and hes not particularly present as a box to box so in reality he doesn't fit this team (or many modern teams). I think when people say "he'll be good for a mid table side" they really mean his weaknesses wouldn't stand out next to players also of inferior quality.

Exactly.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Criticism is fair, what isn't fair is calling a professional player who has several years experience at the highest level under his belt a 'youth player' or claiming he can't play football.

We improved because we brought in better players in Casemiro and Eriksen, that doesn't mean McT is a poor player, as it's possible for both McT to be decent yet Casemiro to be better.

As I say, I'll look forward to whom the next player to be scapegoated for our future I'll is.

Except McTominay IS a poor player, and you're sitting here acting like he's Ji Sung Park or some of the other excellent "squad players" that have actually contributed to our club's success in our history. He wouldn't make the bench at Arsenal/City/Chelsea/any other big European side, yet you want to say he's been scapegoated. I think if we have aspirations as a club to ever be better than a scrappy top 4 side, players like McTominay shouldn't be anywhere near the team.

And he can't "pick a pass", his passing stats are quite literally bottom of the barrel any time he's ever gotten extended minutes. You'd be hard pressed to find even a decent Youtube comp of his passing.

 

[Roboc7]

Is that the same Snodgrass who also can't play football and is as good as a youth player like McTominay yeah?

Or the Premiership international like McTominay?

Seriously, just give up on this, it's quite simply pathetic. These managers are the experts in the game, I'll take their knowledge over yours.
I shall be responding no longer as it's like talking to a child who has no knowledge of the game.
Cheers.

Klopp described Snograss as a ‘wonderful player’ and Simeone described Mctominay as ‘one of the best in the world’. I’m not stupid enough to take either of those at face value.

No idea why so upset about Snodgrass I’m just pointing out what was said by Klopp, never said he can’t play football, he’s even still playing in Scotland now I think. Maybe you got a bit sensitive as it sort of undermines your point but who knows.

Like I said you have done nothing other than show why no one should rely on quotes.

You choose to pick Simeone’s opinion that Mctominay is one of best midfielders in the world over mine that he clearly isn’t. That’s your choice but I don’t think many would agree with you or Simeone. I’d also imagine you and Klopp also have a higher opinion of Snodgrass than most (doesn’t mean those who disagree think he’s a Sunday League player though).

 

[Champ]

Klopp described Snograss as a ‘wonderful player’ and Simeone described Mctominay as ‘one of the best in the world’. I’m not stupid enough to take either of those at face value.

No idea why so upset about Snodgrass I’m just pointing out what was said by Klopp, never said he can’t play football, he’s even still playing in Scotland now I think. Maybe you got a bit sensitive as it sort of undermines your point but who knows.

Like I said you have done nothing other than show why no one should rely on quotes.

You choose to pick Simeone’s opinion that Mctominay is one of best midfielders in the world over mine that he clearly isn’t. That’s your choice but I don’t think many would agree with you or Simeone. I’d also imagine you and Klopp also have a higher opinion of Snodgrass than most (doesn’t mean those who disagree think he’s a Sunday League player though).

I look forward to seeing you on the touchline at the weekend instead of Simeone then, seem as you obviously know better than him.

 

[hobbers]

Sir Alex thought Smith and Anderson would one day be world class centre mids.

No manager is ever infallible.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Sir Alex thought Smith and Anderson would one day be world class centre mids.

No manager is ever infallible.

But Simeone said McTominay is the best in the world! How can you question him given he is on the touchline and you're not?

Yeah, that's the argument that is being used here. Madness.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Sir Alex thought Smith and Anderson would one day be world class centre mids.

No manager is ever infallible.

I don't remember him saying that about Smith, but we all thought Anderson was special though.

 

[Roboc7]

I look forward to seeing you on the touchline at the weekend instead of Simeone then, seem as you obviously know better than him.

The classic idiotic post on a forum that we should all be shut up because of what one manager thinks. Fact no one is always right and managers have different opinions all out the window.

I just don’t believe what he said about Mctominay, I think can safely assume he doesn’t either. Which just leaves you who believes quotes about Mctominay and the wonderful player that is and always will be Robert Snodgrass. Wonder what Simeone thinks of Snodgrass.

 

[daba]

A move to Newcastle would suit everyone. Hopefully they’re planning a ‘raid’ on us for Maguire also.

Hopefully they become our new Inter Milan / Everton of old.

 

[Member 117152]

Seems a nice bloke. Dislike his play style though. Do not have a clue what he’s good at. He’s basically a worse version of Fellaini.

I would argue Fellaini was both more effective in defence and attack (and won us a few trophies).

Scott is marginally better on the transition and getting the ball forward I suppose but that’s about it. That’s not praise though can say that about 90% of mids over Fellaini

 

[Abraxas]

Weird the hate that a player who was on our youth team gets for not being good enough but players like Sancho who cost 80 odd million gets less hate after being wanted by most of the ‘faultless’ fan base itself.

We get it, Mctominay isn’t good enough- but he cost shit all and we are actually going to make a profit off the guy compared to other footballers with a flashy name that we can’t even sell for free.

Thanks Mctominay! Thanks for giving it your best!

This is true. Clubs love players like McTominay in the sense they're pure profit on the balance sheet. Financially he is very good for us in terms of not costing much over his time at the club and he'll rake in a handy fee.

 

[The Purley King]

Should be another couple of million on the fee after today!
Edit just seen he was a sub……

 

[dubplate warrior]

Except McTominay IS a poor player, and you're sitting here acting like he's Ji Sung Park or some of the other excellent "squad players" that have actually contributed to our club's success in our history. He wouldn't make the bench at Arsenal/City/Chelsea/any other big European side, yet you want to say he's been scapegoated. I think if we have aspirations as a club to ever be better than a scrappy top 4 side, players like McTominay shouldn't be anywhere near the team.

And he can't "pick a pass", his passing stats are quite literally bottom of the barrel any time he's ever gotten extended minutes. You'd be hard pressed to find even a decent Youtube comp of his passing.

Baffling how people can say some of the worst players in our worst ever team (in modern times) are scapegoats. McTominay is cack.

 

[Sandikan]

Sir Alex thought Smith and Anderson would one day be world class centre mids.

No manager is ever infallible.

Anderson had huge talent, he just didn't have the luck with injuries and overall drive.
Smith was converted to a midfielder for a set period as a trial. He was never going to be a worldly there and Fergie never suggested so.

 

[hobbers]

Anderson had huge talent, he just didn't have the luck with injuries and overall drive.
Smith was converted to a midfielder for a set period as a trial. He was never going to be a worldly there and Fergie never suggested so.

Doesn't change the point, which is that we know Fergie made a lot of mistakes with midfield signings. And after 2007 he completely neglected that position despite it being obvious to everyone how light we were there. The only midfielder he signed after Hargreaves and Anderson in 2007 was Nick Powell in 2012. Think that pretty much sums it up. Definitely a weak spot of Fergies, all managers have them. We were lucky that Scholes and Giggs had such longevity and ability well into their mid to late thirties.

 

[Sandikan]

Doesn't change the point, which is that we know Fergie made a lot of mistakes with midfield signings. And after 2007 he completely neglected that position despite it being obvious to everyone how light we were there. The only midfielder he signed after Hargreaves and Anderson in 2007 was Nick Powell in 2012. Think that pretty much sums it up. Definitely a weak spot of Fergies, all managers have them. We were lucky that Scholes and Giggs had such longevity and ability well into their mid to late thirties.

A week spot outside of Keane, Ince, Scholes and Carrick. Which is one hell of a set of players.
Very unlucky with Veron too, who wasn't anywhere near as bad as people pretend now.
And Anderson could easily have joined that list.

 

[hobbers]

A week spot outside of Keane, Ince, Scholes and Carrick. Which is one hell of a set of players.
Very unlucky with Veron too, who wasn't anywhere near as bad as people pretend now.
And Anderson could easily have joined that list.

Veron, Kleberson, Djemba, Miller, Smith, Anderson, Hargreaves, Cleverley, Powell... For a variety of different reasons none worked out.

And this inability to sign good midfielders is a part of what gave City their Aguerooo moment. Harkening back to that 1-0 defeat in 2012 when we lined up with Scholes (38), Giggs (39) and Carrick in midfield against Yaya Toure and David Silva, two players we could have signed.

 

[MadDogg]

A week spot outside of Keane, Ince, Scholes and Carrick. Which is one hell of a set of players.
Very unlucky with Veron too, who wasn't anywhere near as bad as people pretend now.
And Anderson could easily have joined that list.

Scholes wasn't bought. After Keane in 93/94, we went the next 19 years under Fergie signing only one midfielder who was a definite success. Obviously the likes of Keane, Scholes and Carrick (and Giggs towards the end when he transitioned into the centre) were so good for so long that it wasn't a position of urgency until the last few years, but it's still quite amazing.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I think he would be a nice backup. Remember not long ago he actually forced Casemiro out of the starting lineup with his fine form/display?

 

[MadDogg]

I think he would be a nice backup. Remember not long ago he actually forced Casemiro out of the starting lineup with his fine form/display?

He never forced Casemiro out. He was playing well enough in the weeks leading up to us signing Casemiro that, along with Casemiro struggling to get going, meant ETH didn't feel the need to change the position immediately. From the point Casemiro played himself into some form Scott hasn't been anywhere near the starting line-up when Casmiro has been available. Admittedly he was injured for a while as well.

Scott has history of playing well for about a month when a new manager takes over, but that's basically the only period of good form he'll have that season. He did it when Ralf took over, and so far it looks like he's doing it again with ETH. He also did it in one of Ole's seasons where he played well for about a month. Each time he dropped off quickly and was quite poor for the rest of the season, and that's a percentage of good/bad that is utterly unacceptable for anyone we want in our squad.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Meh, I’m 50/50 on him, , I wouldn’t mind him staying and wouldn’t be too bothered if he left. As others have said he is better further forward but he’s not really a good passer, he isn’t great at finding space and at times doesn’t even bother to give an option.

He can be aggressive and looks decent defending the box aerially but then where he is probably best suited we have Fred, Possibly Sab and Erikson. He could probably fake it at the Casemiro role but then I’d say Fred and Sab are better at that.

He just doesn’t really have a stand out role other than adding height going forward I don’t think. But then if he’s happy being a squad player then why not keep him.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Can't wait for him to feck off and get a proper midfielder in

 

[RedRonaldo]

He never forced Casemiro out. He was playing well enough in the weeks leading up to us signing Casemiro that, along with Casemiro struggling to get going, meant ETH didn't feel the need to change the position immediately. From the point Casemiro played himself into some form Scott hasn't been anywhere near the starting line-up when Casmiro has been available. Admittedly he was injured for a while as well.

Scott has history of playing well for about a month when a new manager takes over, but that's basically the only period of good form he'll have that season. He did it when Ralf took over, and so far it looks like he's doing it again with ETH. He also did it in one of Ole's seasons where he played well for about a month. Each time he dropped off quickly and was quite poor for the rest of the season, and that's a percentage of good/bad that is utterly unacceptable for anyone we want in our squad.

Yeh, but that's exactly what I mean isn't it? During the weeks when we signed Casemiro while Mctominay was in great form, ETH was kind of forced to play Mctominay instead of Casemiro.

And I mean, I really do think Mctominay would be a good backup option, because of his good workrate, attitude, and rather low salary demand etc. I don't see him as key part of squad though, just good backup option/decent squad player who is willing to put up a fight for the team, who is a Man Utd player through and through too.

We will need more legs to compete for all fronts throughout the season, and we know he won't be complaining or sulking even when spending months sitting on the bench.

 

[edgecutter]

I think he would be a nice backup. Remember not long ago he actually forced Casemiro out of the starting lineup with his fine form/display?

He didn't force casimero out. The team was winning games when casimero came in and eth rightly kept the same line until it all fell apart.

If Newcastle are willing to pay 40 million fir him we should let him go. We should be able to buy a better player for that kind of money and stop hanging onto deadwood hoping that they will turn good.

 

[londonredmaniac]

He's a decent player at a certain level. He's one of them I've wanted to succeed, due to coming through the system.

I just don't think that level is United, even as a back up I'm afraid. Hardly a controversial opinion I know but just my thoughts.

Obviously one I'd love to be wide of the mark about.

 

[MadDogg]

And I mean, I really do think Mctominay would be a good backup option, because of his good workrate, attitude, and rather low salary demand etc. I don't see him as key part of squad though, just good backup option/decent squad player who is willing to put up a fight for the team, who is a Man Utd player through and through too.

This 'good workrate' thing really needs to die. His workrate is nothing special at all. He is capable of having the odd game here and there where he is all over the place and shows a great workrate, but he has like one or two of those matches a year. The rest of the time he is decidedly average. When his team is in possession of the ball he doesn't do much at all, basically just jogs around behind opposition players so it's difficult to get him the ball (either deliberately or just through poor decision making). When the opposition have the ball he is easily pulled out of position, and when they inevitably get in behind him he is constantly lazy getting back. Just jogs back expecting the rest of the team to deal with it.

I would say at least 50% of the midfielders in the league have a better workrate than him. Probably more. Which, considering how limited he is otherwise, simply isn't good enough.

Fred is the level that we should be looking at as a squad player. Somebody who can provide a different option where he will be the best choice in some games, and at other times he can successfully rotate or cover the players ahead of him. And he actually does have a great workrate. McTominay has spent years basically playing at that level for one month a season so I'm not saying he can't do it, but the rest of the time he's been well below the level we need for a squad player.

 

[DutchSerb]

Meh, I’m 50/50 on him, , I wouldn’t mind him staying and wouldn’t be too bothered if he left. As others have said he is better further forward but he’s not really a good passer, he isn’t great at finding space and at times doesn’t even bother to give an option.

He can be aggressive and looks decent defending the box aerially but then where he is probably best suited we have Fred, Possibly Sab and Erikson. He could probably fake it at the Casemiro role but then I’d say Fred and Sab are better at that.

He just doesn’t really have a stand out role other than adding height going forward I don’t think. But then if he’s happy being a squad player then why not keep him.

No offense, how are you still 50/50 with all those weak attributes and other player options you just mentioned? I also don't think we should keep a player who earns quite a salary just because he's okay with his role. His level needs to match the ambitions of the club and sadly it does not. I like the guy, but he's a pain to watch.

 

[Sandikan]

Scholes wasn't bought. After Keane in 93/94, we went the next 19 years under Fergie signing only one midfielder who was a definite success. Obviously the likes of Keane, Scholes and Carrick (and Giggs towards the end when he transitioned into the centre) were so good for so long that it wasn't a position of urgency until the last few years, but it's still quite amazing.

No-one said Scholes was bought, but clearly he didn't come through by accident. Fergie identified him, and thus was a main stay for 20 years.

 

[Ananke]

Feel like he’s had his chances to shine, make big impacts in games and he never does.

He’s squad level player ‘at best’, most of the time he just fades into the background. Don’t think he’s United level.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

And this inability to sign good midfielders is a part of what gave City their Aguerooo moment. Harkening back to that 1-0 defeat in 2012 when we lined up with Scholes (38), Giggs (39) and Carrick in midfield against Yaya Toure and David Silva, two players we could have signed.

I think you're overstating how much influence Fergie had at negotiating transfers. United should've signed a quality midfielder during the end of Fergie's tenure, but the blame lies with David Gill and his unwillingness to overpay for players. Fergie wanted Sneijder in 2011 but Gill botched that up.

 

[surf]

He didn't force casimero out. The team was winning games when casimero came in and eth rightly kept the same line until it all fell apart.

If Newcastle are willing to pay 40 million fir him we should let him go. We should be able to buy a better player for that kind of money and stop hanging onto deadwood hoping that they will turn good.

Don't understand this part. If there is a better player available for the same fee, why wouldn't Newcastle just buy that player?

 

[Andersons Dietician]

No offense, how are you still 50/50 with all those weak attributes and other player options you just mentioned? I also don't think we should keep a player who earns quite a salary just because he's okay with his role. His level needs to match the ambitions of the club and sadly it does not. I like the guy, but he's a pain to watch.

If I thought it feasibly possible to have 22 absolute worldclass players then I’d be all for getting rid. Even if we had a youngster who could take his spot. Maybe Mainoo, but the fact of the matter is top class players don’t really want to go to clubs to sit on the bench. So somewhere someone has to be ok with the role of “impact sub” or someone than can do a job.

The whole reason we got Sabizter is because he wasn’t happy with his role at Bayern as a back up. Hey, maybe we somehow bring in DeJong and he would most likely replace Erikson so then he becomes a bench option and we can shift McT then.

 

[DutchSerb]

If I thought it feasibly possible to have 22 absolute worldclass players then I’d be all for getting rid. Even if we had a youngster who could take his spot. Maybe Mainoo, but the fact of the matter is top class players don’t really want to go to clubs to sit on the bench. So somewhere someone has to be ok with the role of “impact sub” or someone than can do a job.

The whole reason we got Sabizter is because he wasn’t happy with his role at Bayern as a back up. Hey, maybe we somehow bring in DeJong and he would most likely replace Erikson so then he becomes a bench option and we can shift McT then.

I was thinking the same. Hopefully we sign another quality CM and a talented backup DM, if we could have Fred, Eriksen and a genuine DM as subs next season we would look really solid. That way we could also play Eriksen at the 10, where he belongs. Could keep Bruno sharp.

 

[Rolaholic]

Aye that'll be 60M Newcastle...

I remember the days they were quoting us 50 for Sean fecking Longstaff

 

[Erik the Red]

Who is that bloke playing for Scotland tonight? We should sign him up, unbelievable talent, four goals in two games!!!!!!

 

[justboy68]

Putting himself in the shop window very nicely!

 

[Yorkeontop]

Scott needs to make sure wherever he ends next season, he plays for a team that will allow him to display that attribute. He's really good with those late runs into the box and has a nose for goal.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Price just went up, way up.