SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

United58 said:
Heads up to all the (Republic) Irish - my girlfriend got a call from her mother (who works in child care), she got a call from the guards saying the country will more than likely be on full lockdown from 11 tomorrow
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I heard an internet rumour that the army would be enforcing a lockdown for 14 days
 
Smores said:
Well the likes of Tesco have no backstock and only London deliveries are distribution centre sourced, the rest pick from stores which themselves are empty already.

I don't think people appreciate that they're hoarding from those actually at need.
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Oh They definately dont, this whole thing is just showing up how thoughtless and self centred people are.

I went to asda today and an Indian family had 2 trolleys and they were full of nappies and nothing else. I swear they must've had over 300 nappies in total, it's absolutely ridiculous how people are reacting but like I say it's funny watching the morons panicking for no reason.
 
United58 said:
Heads up to all the (Republic) Irish - my girlfriend got a call from her mother (who works in child care), she got a call from the guards saying the country will more than likely be on full lockdown from 11 tomorrow
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So they're fully locking down the country at 11 tomorrow but people will still be allowed to fly in from virus-stricken Spain until Thursday? Some lockdown.
 
Apparently Spain have tested 30k, been said on Spanish TV by the Health Minister today. 7800 cases and 292 dead so far. UK has done 40k.
 
sullydnl said:
So they're locking down the country at 11 tomorrow but people will still be allowed to fly in from virus-stricken Spain until Thursday? Some lockdown.
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Tbf you can't stop your own nationals flying back home. But it's mental how they've been letting people fly out for so long. Another example of short term-ism.
 
Woodzy said:
I went into Cardiff yesterday for a meal and it was incredible how busy it was.

Unfortunately, as Brits it's in our nature in the event of a crisis to just head to the pub.
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You do realise what you just said there?

‘I went out and it was incredible how many people did exactly what I fcuking did’
 
Skills said:
Tbf you can't stop your own nationals flying back home. But it's mental how they've been letting people fly out for so long. Another example of short term-ism.
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Really? What are they going to do after Thursday then?
 
redshaw said:
Apparently Spain have tested 30k, been said on Spanish TV by the Health Minister today. 7800 cases and 292 dead so far. UK has done 40k.
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I think Spain (and Italy's) cases have been quite localised - similar to China. It means they can concentrate their testing around Madrid and Lombardy respectively rather than trying to chase shadows. It's why they're getting a high hit rate - but it can end up helping them a bit, as in they can then re-direct resources to where they desperately need them and having a localised strict lockdown.
 
NewGlory said:
1. There is absolutely no guarantee that just because you are not high risk group, it won't kill you
2. If you get it, you will still need to get medical care, meaning you will be taking up resources at a hospital, and can still infect people including medical staff. There is no such thing as 100% safety. Plus if enough people start thinking like you - we are up for a complete disaster. Think about that.
3. If you can isolate yourself, the best thing to do is to not get it. Don't listen to Gebelsian morons saying that the solution here is to infect 40% of population. The solution is to slow the spread as much as possible and meanwhile develop vaccines, which is what most people should get. Anybody advocating for intentional infection of people (e.g. certain UK official insinuating) should in my opinion go to jail.
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Point no.2 you say if you get it you will require medical care and take up hospital resource, I thought if you got it you just had to stay at home?
 
kouroux said:
@JPRouve Have you heard of the rumors that a curfew will be set in France with the army/police enforcing it ? I guess too many morons still gather in large numbers
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I don't think so, some dodgy site report it though. Where I am it's been very calm since Thursday, there is significantly less circulation.
 
Anyone on meet-up? Still a stupid number of them being organised. The app needs to get a hold of it and stop organisers from putting them on.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Oh They definately dont, this whole thing is just showing up how thoughtless and self centred people are.

I went to asda today and an Indian family had 2 trolleys and they were full of nappies and nothing else. I swear they must've had over 300 nappies in total, it's absolutely ridiculous how people are reacting but like I say it's funny watching the morons panicking for no reason.
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If I had seen those twats I would’ve knocked them clean the feck out. We are due to run out of nappies in the next day or so. The wife is besides herself with worry.
 
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
 
Hugh Jass said:
Yea there is a rumour spreading on whatsapp.

Some on the boards saying it is false although a lockdown will eventually have to happen at some point, bar the big shops and pharmacies.

I presume the GP is open too.
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The amount of stupid fecking rumours that have gone around on whatsapp at this point is beyond ridiculous. How the hell have people lived in the internet era for so long with learning anything about the reliability of sources? It's like herd immunity has developed for basic critical thinking.

The Gardai and Defence Forces are gonna have a tough enough time over the next few months without people spreading panic and misinformation about what they're doing. People need to grow the feck up.
 
So how far is that German company with the vaccine? Sounds like very close considering US and many other drugs companies must all be going at it hammer and tongs yet Trump wants to usurp this one.

[Spoiler - dark humour] wouldn't be surprised if one or two company directors were inexplicably found hanging in the woods with hastily written suicide notes, eh Tony B?
 
Helder-Carvalho said:
Herd immunity is a when population is vaccinated, this UK situation is bonkers, worse when we know that same people can be infected twice
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UK is not doing herd immunity

It was mentioned as a byproduct. They've said it's not part of the plan. The false narrative has gone global though.
 
VorZakone said:
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
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It's going to be like chicken pox. C19 is a part of our world now. Lockdowns lifted without herd immunity will lead to resurgences to some degree.
 
VorZakone said:
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
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Well the idea with a lockdown is that you slow the spread enough to get care to everyone that needs it, reduce the number of active cases to somewhere close to double digits (which is much easier the earlier you start) and identify those active cases. Now you won't be able to identify all of them, but you can do a pretty good job.

It also buys you a bit more time for an antiviral to come in play and develop a more sophisticated but less extreme way of social distancing - which still has society functioning. Basically put in place measures that China have done it other parts of the country.
 
VorZakone said:
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
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The chance that it will come back is almost certain. How many lockdowns would be needed before a vaccine is unknown.
 
Hugh Jass said:
Rumours circulating that Ireland is heading for a severe lock down next week possibly tuesday or wednesday.
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Whilst the north east of the island just does whatever the feck it wants. It's like having an operation to cut a malignant tumour but leaving a quarter of it in your body cause feck it...
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
You do realise what you just said there?

‘I went out and it was incredible how many people did exactly what I fcuking did’
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While there’s obviously a risk either way, theres a huge difference going out for a quiet meal compared to small bars packed with hundreds of people.
 
VorZakone said:
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
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Massive chance surely, I can understand it to buy some time for a vaccine, but it's not the solution without it.
 
VorZakone said:
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
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- Noone can tell. China locked down Wuhan pretty early and still, virus almost collapsed thier health system. We hadnt seen result until 2 weeks ago. They now have fewer new cases than most regions in EU.
- The virus will come back, like seasonal flu. Just hope most people get vaccinated by then.
 
Looking for some advice as I'm not sure how to go about things.

My son's got a few of the symptoms currently and I've had a few symptoms for the last few days too. 111 told the missus earlier to keep him self isolated for the next 7 days and that's pretty much it unless he gets a severe fever or more. The problem for us is we have no idea if it's the virus or a completely standard cold where we're just over thinking it because of everything going on, which we may be. To be safe though we're keeping our son off school all week like 111 told is to and at home.

My issue is that I'm supposed to be at work all week. For all I know I have a standard cold, the problem is, do I go into work and risk it? Tbh I want to be at home this week with the missus and kids to look after them, I can't really afford to though. I work in a Warehouse so no chance of working from home and I can't afford to just say feck it, I'll take the week off. I'm caught in the middle of needing the money but also needing to support for son while he's not well but also be careful just in case I do have it, and without testing, how the feck am I supposed to know if I do? It's just a case of be safe and self isolate...but if I do that I'm expected to.lose 500+ quid this week? How the feck am I supposed to survive and support my family losing that amount of money?
 
Starkie_1 said:
Im head of PE at a very large primary school and myself, and my Pe team who are all self employed, plus the 40-50 staff and 800 + children will be in as normal tomorrow and for the foreseeable future. I’ve just actually had a roast and few drinks in a local pubs alongside a lot of the parents. Luckily we live and work in a very affluent and likeminded area, not mass panic. People doing as they’re told and getting on with it whilst getting on with life too.
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Thanks for the post. Awesome when people identify themselves as being the ones to pop on ignore.
 
VorZakone said:
What's a realistic scenario post-lockdowns? Can the virus spread again at the rates we've witnessed pre-lockdowns?

In other words, what's the chance this virus keeps coming back aggressively, and how often would we need such lockdowns?
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The most likely scenario is that the virus is going to be endemic, and come and go for the foreseeable future.

If there are vaccines and anti-virals, it will probably be just another flu. Until then, it is gonna be much worse.

2020 and 2021 are gonna be terrible years. Hopefully, by mid-end 2021, some normality would have been returned.

Another option would be 'feck it, let's get herd immunity' which is what happened more or less for the Spanish flu. It would probably kill like crazy for a year and then mutate to something less lethal. I prefer social distancing until we have a vaccine and anti-virals though.
 
JP77 said:
Looking for some advice as I'm not sure how to go about things.

My son's got a few of the symptoms currently and I've had a few symptoms for the last few days too. 111 told the missus earlier to keep him self isolated for the next 7 days and that's pretty much it unless he gets a severe fever or more. The problem for us is we have no idea if it's the virus or a completely standard cold where we're just over thinking it because of everything going on, which we may be. To be safe though we're keeping our son off school all week like 111 told is to and at home.

My issue is that I'm supposed to be at work all week. For all I know I have a standard cold, the problem is, do I go into work and risk it? Tbh I want to be at home this week with the missus and kids to look after them, I can't really afford to though. I work in a Warehouse so no chance of working from home and I can't afford to just say feck it, I'll take the week off. I'm caught in the middle of needing the money but also needing to support for son while he's not well but also be careful just in case I do have it, and without testing, how the feck am I supposed to know if I do? It's just a case of be safe and self isolate...but if I do that I'm expected to.lose 500+ quid this week? How the feck am I supposed to survive and support my family losing that amount of money?
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Does your employer not have any sick leave or Corona related policies in place?
 
JP77 said:
Looking for some advice as I'm not sure how to go about things.

My son's got a few of the symptoms currently and I've had a few symptoms for the last few days too. 111 told the missus earlier to keep him self isolated for the next 7 days and that's pretty much it unless he gets a severe fever or more. The problem for us is we have no idea if it's the virus or a completely standard cold where we're just over thinking it because of everything going on, which we may be. To be safe though we're keeping our son off school all week like 111 told is to and at home.

My issue is that I'm supposed to be at work all week. For all I know I have a standard cold, the problem is, do I go into work and risk it? Tbh I want to be at home this week with the missus and kids to look after them, I can't really afford to though. I work in a Warehouse so no chance of working from home and I can't afford to just say feck it, I'll take the week off. I'm caught in the middle of needing the money but also needing to support for son while he's not well but also be careful just in case I do have it, and without testing, how the feck am I supposed to know if I do? It's just a case of be safe and self isolate...but if I do that I'm expected to.lose 500+ quid this week? How the feck am I supposed to survive and support my family losing that amount of money?
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No.

I understand the financial pressures but unfortunately, and I don't mean to sound harsh, public health trumps all. You can return after a 7 day self-isolation. Surprised you can't take 5-7 days off without getting paid though...
 
JPRouve said:
How do you know that you are no longer sick? Are you suggesting that people get tested multiple times? If we do that, a large amount of the population won't be tested at all before March 2021. If you take S.Korea as an example their superior testing methods allow at best 20k tests per day that means that to test everyone at that rate they would a year to just test people once, people already tested and negative could be infected by people that haven't been tested yet during that year.
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Not sure i get the angle of your question. If you're testing those with symptoms of course you'll get some negatives but what i was specifically referring to was the benefit of positive results in non critical cases. You know once they've tested positive and done quarantine that they're good to rejoin the workforce (within a minute margin of error) and if it gets bad volunteering for care positions.

I can certainly understand why there isn't capacity to do this right now if there's a shortage in equipment though. Hopefully we can address that.
 
stepic said:
not everyone who gets it needs medical care. For most people you will treat it like any flu, plenty of fluids, rest, stay in bed.
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There is no guarantee that you will be one of those people who do not need treatment. COVID-19 is accompanied by serious respiratory (breathing) problems and that often requires hospitalization as opposed to "just flu". What is your "most people will not" claim based on? Do you have any data to back it up? It was anecdotal assumption some people were spreading early on, in the days of "it's just like flu", but does actually data support your claim? The crisis in Italy indicates the opposite of what you are claiming.
 
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