That's just how I feel about and others do clearly feel differently.
Correct
It’s a weird one. I think many are thinking too deeply about it trying to apply historical context to a situation that doesn’t need it, or are that unfamiliar with a white person being discriminated against that it can’t possibly be real.
Would it make you feel better if the media crucified her?
Mate I grew up with mostly Manchester United fans around me so I've had to eat a lot of humble pie over the years.It’s a weird one. I think many are thinking too deeply about it trying to apply historical context to a situation that doesn’t need it, or are that unfamiliar with a white person being discriminated against that it can’t possibly be real.
The real shocker in this thread though is how you get off posting such sensible and well reasoned comments being an Arsenal fan!
Completely agree that how people react to racism (or any type of treatment, for that matter) is completely subjective and depends on the individual. But just because some people won't be offended, it doesn't mean it isn't racist. It's just weird that some people seem to be completely accepting of a specific type of racism. That if I wanted to racially abuse a white woman, I could. But if she gave me the same treatment back (as an Asian woman), she'd be in the wrong.
I'm curious if you had friends or family who did have their ancestors raped and killed, and they harbored resentment for the japanese, and if one day you caught them arguing with japanese people and calling them stupid, would you actually step in and ask your friend to be the better person?Ah I see. Not the same impact to who? The white cop? I think you'd be wrong to assume white people aren't personally impacted by racial abuse. At the end of the day we're talking about individuals and a specific situation. I'm not sure why the entire history of colonialism, systemic racism or whatever else needs to be brought into the mix. Could I just go up to any Spanish or Japanese person and racially abuse them because their ancestors likely raped and killed my ancestors in the Philippines? No, I love visiting both Spain and Japan.
Well it would depend on what they're actually fighting about and who was in the wrong. Can you give more details about your hypothetical scenario? Or did they just start randomly start fighting about Japanese and Filipino history? If that's the case, I'd try to get my friend to just leave it alone. If he/she doesn't, I'd leave them to it and wouldn't get involved.
Nah just something petty, because people tend to say stupid shit when they're angry. The reason I'm asking is because you stated your opinion, and how you would act, but would you also try to impose that on others? Or even just trying to convince them. Because I do think that a lot of people cannot just forget history like you do, or get over it as easily.
Completely understand. I'd try to get my friend to stop as I think it's not worth wasting their breath over. But if they persist, I can't stop them but would not get involved.
Absolutely. Especially when you consider the target was a person in a position of power and authority, that's exactly why colonialism was my first thought. That doesn't excuse her behavior obviously, I'm sure she was being a menace that night.
️I’d just hate to make any kind of assumption here. Shouldn’t even really be a police matter maybe her club could just do an internal investigation instead?
It probably is racist and certainly inappropriate. How individuals react is down to multiple factors no doubt.
Hmm, from what I've seen, most of the big media are simply reporting what Football Australia thinks, what her manager thinks, and the general public. The support for her and claims about it being not racist is mostly from the latter, and the media is just reporting that. Personally I think it generates a good discussion. Here's an article with quotes from a legal expert from University of NSW
️Allegedly. I’m not sure we should be throwing around those kind of accusations if unproven.
I mean she’s a talented footballer so why waste that talent too?
You see this is what I kind of don't get re: bringing colonialism etc into it. Sam Kerr, as a woman of colour, has been able to rise above any systemic or historical discrimination she may have experienced. She is one of the most affluent people in the world and is a role model. While I can maybe understand that she has some personal/emotional feelings regarding that, I don't think there's a very strong case that she has been a victim of it in general. If she was truly a victim of systemic discrimination, she would not be living the life she is, where she can feel so entitled as to get drunk, throw up in a cab and abuse a police officer with no fear of consequences for her appalling behaviour. And she was being the racist here, not the cop, which is why I can't get my head around how some people are so willing to easily excuse her actions, or claim that it's not racist if the victim is white.
He seems to be suggesting that it would be difficult to convince the court or the judge to secure a conviction. Maybe not if you were sitting on the bench, or Judge Dredd.
It's quite common for minorities or visible minorities, which is what I consider Kerr to be, to feel like they are being oppressed when being arrested by police officers. Plus she was probably too hammered to be thinking clearly about all that.
I’d be very surprised if she ends up in custody. Most likely community service or similar and a huge fine.
I agree it would be hard to secure a conviction, and I have said previously I don't think she should go to jail for something she said (I don't agree with the law in this case, but respect and abide by it). I just don't understand how some people argue she wasn't being racist, or that racism was OK in this case because she is a minority enflicting racism on a white person. It's further strange to me that some white people have gotten themselves into such a tailspin and think that they're personally responsible for all the atrocities that their racial group have enflicted in the past on minorities, or feel that they should be carrying the historical burden of that, to the point that if someone from that minorty group abused them they should just accept it or feel it's deserved. And the argument that she was too drunk to think clearly isn't much of a defense I'm afraid.
It’s a term of respect where she’s from, and one of her grandparents was white.
That's how I see it.
What a shit retort. I clearly said the punishment for murder is not contextual. You’ve responded to a point I did not make by highlighting examples of something entirely different - like accidental killings, or manslaughter. In what world do they constitute murder?
Maybe it is difficult to convince a judge given he’s a white police officer - but what Kerr allegedly said sort of fits the bill as per the law. The question for me is then, what does that say about the justice system if a law isn’t applied equally?
