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Lash said:
Nothing. Either Spurs stump up the cash so he comes in Jan or they wait till Jan to see if he's worth it and risk other bidders coming in.
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The post was made because this turned into a thread about Spurs and not Berahino.

And about Berahino, i can't see him going to Spurs. They waisted opportunity when everyone was chasing other players, if he will have a good season there will be bigger clubs after him like us or Arsenal, both in need of striker. And in that case i can't see him choosing midtable club like Spurs.
 
Jerch said:
The post was made because this turned into a thread about Spurs and not Berahino.

And about Berahino, i can't see him going to Spurs. They waisted opportunity when everyone was chasing other players, if he will have a good season there will be bigger clubs after him like us or Arsenal, both in need of striker. And in that case i can't see him choosing midtable club like Spurs.
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yeah, that was partly my fault, so was trying to bring it back to that.

I agree with the above, but if he has an average season; you can bet Spurs will buy him. That is their remit.
 
Lash said:
yeah, that was partly my fault, so was trying to bring it back to that.

I agree with the above, but if he has an average season; you can bet Spurs will buy him. That is their remit.
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Ican see him having a good season if he put his head down and do everything to improve further like Schneiderlin did.
I also think that if he thinks he can be one of the best players going to Spurs is a mistake because he will find it hard to get a move from Spurs to top clubs.
 
Jerch said:
Ican see him having a good season if he put his head down and do everything to improve further like Schneiderlin did.
I also think that if he thinks he can be one of the best players going to Spurs is a mistake because he will find it hard to get a move from Spurs to top clubs.
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I was actually pretty pro him coming here. I think he'd be a fool to go Spurs now, considering they'd never drop Kane at the moment. He needs to play centrally and not pushed wide (which I think he would at Spurs) where he can get goals that aren't pens.
 
K2K said:
If our mandate was to get the highest fees possible for outgoing players, yes..but other than that he is no revolutionary in running a club and has done nothing that stands out..All he does is fire manager after manager, with no link between them such that with every new tenure, the Spurs squad goes through a massive clearout..rinse repeat!
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There are at least 5 Prem clubs that currently have a much larger income than Spurs and pay significantly higher wages.

On that basis you'd expect Spurs to finish in the league in 6th place at best on average, whereas in the last 6 six seasons we have finished 4th twice, 5th three times and 6th once, all whilst developing an excellent youth academy system, funding the construction of a world-class training centre and the ongoing construction of a world class stadium complex ... and all accomplished through non-sugar-daddy, entirely self-generated funds.

The evidence shows that your claim is nonsense.
 
RedSky said:
Levys an idiot Glaston, he's holding Spurs back and has been for several years. You'll keep going through new players, managers, directors of football until you eventually realise that the constant factor throughout the years is Levy. A new stadium won't change anything when the main problem is the man at the top.

That's not to say he's terrible because he's obviously not. But he has no ambition and is clearly happy to see Spurs remain at their current level which if I was a Spurs fan would piss me off no end.
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See post #765 above.
 
Sarni said:
You're barely recognized internationally. The only way for you to boost your appearance significantly and catch up with the top clubs a little would be through success on field - like Chelsea have done in the past 10 years. It's not very likely that you will experience any success anytime soon.
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Chelsea are a sugar-daddy club who have simply bought their way into the top via Russian mafia money. It may be a model that you recommend, but I prefer Spurs to do things differently thanks.

And your evidence for claiming that Spurs are barely recognised internationally is doubtless little more than your own wishful thinking. Spurs have been recognised internationally since becoming the first British club ever to win a European trophy ... and then went on to become the first British club ever to win two European trophies.
 
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sun_tzu said:
levy is an employee though isnt he... the majority shareholder of ENIC is Joe Lewis so Levy is managing the business for him.
Who knows how differently he may manage things if it were his own money - as it is he does the job he is paid to do within the parameters he is permitted to work... personally from what I see of him he seems to be pretty good at his job and Id probably rather united signed Levy than most of the spurs players
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Levy is both an employee (club chairman) and a shareholder, but yes, Lewis is the majority shareholder.
 
GlastonSpur said:
On that basis you'd expect Spurs to finish in the league in 6th place at best on average, whereas in the last 6 six seasons we have finished 4th twice, 5th three times and 6th once
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Ultimately if you aren't in the UCL it doesn't matter where you finish. You may as well finish 17th. No one outside the home nations really gives a feck about Spurs. Selling Bale probably bumped up your popularity a little bit because you can now rightly be recognized as "that club that Bale used to play for".
 
GlastonSpur said:
There are at least 5 Prem clubs that currently have a much larger income than Spurs and pay significantly higher wages.

On that basis you'd expect Spurs to finish in the league in 6th place at best on average, whereas in the last 6 six seasons we have finished 4th twice, 5th three times and 6th once, all whilst developing an excellent youth academy system, funding the construction of a world-class training centre and the ongoing construction of a world class stadium complex ... and all accomplished through non-sugar-daddy, entirely self-generated funds.

The evidence shows that your claim is nonsense.
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Fair point, The bolded part is particularly great too..I wouldnt sum up Spurs any better than that myself..The fact that is considered as some great bastion of management while the club has won 1 Carling cup years ago, while regularly being recpients of the st. Toteringham day lifetime award over that period justs sums what the club is really, "Just above average"....The chairmen of Swansea and Birmingham that have won just as much over the same period on much lesser budgets( because that's the most important thing here, expectation as per the budget) should surely be knighted for their efforts..

Well done Spurs, the rest of the league must be quaking in their boots with the new stadium set to be unleashed upon us.
 
@GlastonSpur was one of the posters I was thinking about when I made this thread. I honestly think he cares more about Spurs' financial side than the football side. He hardly ever seems to talk about the game.

I suppose it's kind of understandable when the only 'glory' Tottenham fans can expect is from Levy getting one over rival chairmen. But it's a little bit sad for the most part.
 
Dante said:
@GlastonSpur was one of the posters I was thinking about when I made this thread. I honestly think he cares more about Spurs' financial side than the football side. He hardly ever seems to talk about the game.

I suppose it's kind of understandable when the only 'glory' Tottenham fans can expect is from Levy getting one over rival chairmen. But it's a little bit sad for the most part.
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What are you on about man? Spurs are great, everything they do is great. Just a matter of time before their actual football team becomes great too.
 
To think they had Modric and Bale at one point, two players better than anyone we have right now. Bale is one of the best wide attackers and Modric the best central midfielder in the game. I wonder if they could have taken a bit of a risk and spent big at that point to make the most of it.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Chelsea are a sugar-daddy club who have simply bought their way into the top via Russian mafia money. It may be a model that you recommend, but I prefer Spurs to do things differently thanks.

And your evidence for claiming that Spurs are barely recognised internationally is doubtless little more than your own wishful thinking. Spurs have been recognised internationally since becoming the first British club ever to win a European trophy ... and then went on to become the first British club ever to win two European trophies.
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Come on, compared to top European clubs you are very small worldwide. It's not my wishful thinking, it's reality.
 
Spurs are known internationally.

They are known as a bit of a joke. 'It's only Tottenham'.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Ultimately if you aren't in the UCL it doesn't matter where you finish. You may as well finish 17th. ...
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This response bears no relevance to the point concerning the evidence for how well Levy has steered the club.

In any case, going by your narrow perspective you might just as well say that ultimately it doesn't matter if you are in the CL if you don't win it. And it's pathetic snobbery to suggest that football doesn't count outside of the narrow confines of top 4. And if you finish 17th then you won't play in the Europa League and thus won't have the chance to win that particular trophy and won't have the chance to qualify for the CL via that route.
 
I think that WBA were ready to sell Berahino in five £3.5m installments over five years but then Jeremy Peace was browsing the CAF and saw @GlastonSpur posting how rich Spurs are going to be soon. Peace got on the phone to Levy, told him that he was taking the mic and called the deal off.
 
K2K said:
Fair point, The bolded part is particularly great too..I wouldnt sum up Spurs any better than that myself..The fact that is considered as some great bastion of management while the club has won 1 Carling cup years ago, while regularly being recpients of the st. Toteringham day lifetime award over that period justs sums what the club is really, "Just above average"....The chairmen of Swansea and Birmingham that have won just as much over the same period on much lesser budgets( because that's the most important thing here, expectation as per the budget) should surely be knighted for their efforts..

Well done Spurs, the rest of the league must be quaking in their boots with the new stadium set to be unleashed upon us.
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Average is 9th or 10th. 7th or 8th is just above average. The placings I cited for Spurs fall into neither category. And the chairmen of Swansea and B'ham are not at clubs that are building a world-class stadium, and nor do they have the fan base to fill one in any case.

You should try a littler bit harder ....
 
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Red Katie said:
Big clubs already have that in place and are not standing still though.
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Good for them. How is this point relevant to the rating of Levy (being the topic that this thread has recently veered onto)?
 
GlastonSpur said:
Average is 9th or 10th. 7th or 8th is just above average. The placings I cited for Spurs fall into neither category. And the chairmen of Swansea and B'ham are not at clubs that are building a world-class stadium, and nor do they have the fan base to fill one in any case.

You should try a littler bit harder ....
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:lol:..Average with regards to the budget of course..the all important budget of which Spurs are 5th or 6th in..yet those teams have won as much silverware during that period...As a football club, Id think that success on the field of play would be one of the criteria that an executive would be judged on as that shows progress..but well, with Spurs ..it makes sense why not..No one expects that really and you know that too.

Lets rather base their success on plans...future plans..if the present is so hopeless, the recent past hardly colourful, the future is where the focus should be..Well, I should commend you on the great plans..They really do have us worried, with that great fanbase that Spurs will be to attract..:lol: Spurs :lol:..
 
K2K said:
They have Rondon though who looks like a good player..Id leave him in the stands, until he decides he wants come back playing football.
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Feck Rondon, they have Rickie Lambert. He used to work in a beetroot factory y'know.
 
Sarni said:
Come on, compared to top European clubs you are very small worldwide. It's not my wishful thinking, it's reality.
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That depends on who you are listing as "top European clubs". In any case, you've now shifted the goalposts from "barely recognised internationally" to a presumed comparison with the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barca etc

The reality is that Spurs are probably in the top 12 across the world when it comes to global fan base and international fan awareness.
 
K2K said:
:lol:..Average with regards to the budget of course..the all important budget of which Spurs are 5th or 6th in..yet those teams have won as much silverware during that period...As a football club, Id think that success on the field of play would be one of the criteria that an executive would be judged on as that shows progress..but well, with Spurs ..it makes sense why not..No one expects that really and you know that too.

Lets rather base their success on plans...future plans..if the present is so hopeless, the recent past hardly colourful, the future is where the focus should be..Well, I should commend you on the great plans..They really do have us worried, with that great fanbase that Spurs will be to attract..:lol: Spurs :lol:..
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One of the criteria, yes. But - and especially in the sugar-daddy era - not the only one, or not unless you think that league placings and putting in place the stadium foundations for future ambitions are both irrelevant.

Based on your sole focus, it will be interesting to see how Woodward gets on three seasons in ... because the omens so far, given vast net spending, are not great.
 
But if you take the view that the bigger picture is important then Woodward has an incredible record. Take a look at our commercial revenue stream and the taak of obliterating our huge debt.
 
sincher said:
Spurs are known internationally.

They are known as a bit of a joke. ...
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As opposed to United? After all, you're now seen as RM's feeder club, not to mention being laughed at for fruitlessly pursuing players beyond your reach (Muller, Ramos, Bale etc etc), spunking up to £59m on the Martial panic buy ....and then being left with your trousers down following the de Gea transfer farce.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That depends on who you are listing as "top European clubs". In any case, you've now shifted the goalposts from "barely recognised internationally" to a presumed comparison with the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barca etc

The reality is that Spurs are probably in the top 12 across the world when it comes to global fan base and international fan awareness.
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When I was growing up, the first fixture we looked for was Spurs at home. The chance to see Greaves, Mackay, England, Venables, Saul, Gilzean, and Mullery on the same pitch as Law, Charlton, Best, Stiles, Aston, and Crerand was not to be missed. Spurs back then were a very big club and much-loved by United fans as a fine attacking side.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That depends on who you are listing as "top European clubs". In any case, you've now shifted the goalposts from "barely recognised internationally" to a presumed comparison with the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barca etc

The reality is that Spurs are probably in the top 12 across the world when it comes to global fan base and international fan awareness.
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You are in the same tier as clubs like Schalke, Sevilla (though they are probably higher thanks to European success) and slightly below the likes of Valencia and Roma.
 
GlastonSpur said:
As opposed to United? After all, you're now seen as RM's feeder club, not to mention being laughed at for fruitlessly pursuing players beyond your reach (Muller, Ramos, Bale etc etc), spunking up to £59m on the Martial panic buy ....and then being left with your trousers down following the de Gea transfer farce.
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How can this WUM be kept here?
 
GlastonSpur said:
As opposed to United? After all, you're now seen as RM's feeder club, not to mention being laughed at for fruitlessly pursuing players beyond your reach (Muller, Ramos, Bale etc etc), spunking up to £59m on the Martial panic buy ....and then being left with your trousers down following the de Gea transfer farce.
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Shots fired!!!
 
GlastonSpur said:
One of the criteria, yes. But - and especially in the sugar-daddy era - not the only one, or not unless you think that league placings and putting in place the stadium foundations for future ambitions are both irrelevant.

Based on your sole focus, it will be interesting to see how Woodward gets on three seasons in ... because the omens so far, given vast net spending, are not great.
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You sure do love numbers, with nothing to expect from Spurs it does makes sense...carefully avoiding the Spurs trophy issue because lets face face it, its true none are are forthcoming ..Stadium plans or not, its the same old Spurs though..

And again with foundations, it was the same thing when you went on that spending spree post Bale..that was to set you up for years too wasnt it? That it didnt turn out well..I wouldnt be so confident of the Stadium changing your fortunes seeing as three of your London Rivals( rivals in the sense that you happen to share locations with them, not necessarily ambition though) have new stadiums or are in the process of getting them. So I wonder what will suddenly change as Spurs are hardly very attractive either way.

Love the Woody dig, but with your prediction record in the past , Id say I love our chances just fine..
 
GlastonSpur said:
As opposed to United? After all, you're now seen as RM's feeder club, not to mention being laughed at for fruitlessly pursuing players beyond your reach (Muller, Ramos, Bale etc etc), spunking up to £59m on the Martial panic buy ....and then being left with your trousers down following the de Gea transfer farce.
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Most of the fuss about the big bid stuff is media nonsense. All big clubs enquire about big players. Chelsea and Arsenal certainly have this summer, but neither are as newsworthy as the most supported club in the world trying to buy a player from the second most supported. Real are hacked off about De Gea but it was no big deal for us. Time will tell about Martial but all clubs piss money away on transfers that don't work out. Spurs are hardly an exception, look at deals like Lamela, Soldado, Hutton, we're just working with bigger numbers in every sense.
 
Sarni said:
How can this WUM be kept here?
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You take him too seriously though..He supports Spurs..They have two titles in their history..we have won 2 in the last 5 years..That alone should explain why he is what he is ..I wouldnt really be offended by his Madrid digs either..seeing as Spurs are an "official feeder club"to Madrid ...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ip-Gareth-Bale-follows-Luka-Modric-Spain.html

He's conveniently forgetting the "Special relationship "between those two great clubs..it was quite special for Madrid too, got them two world class players..

Edit; http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/1...end-to-special-relationship-with-real-madrid/

Now that is getting your pants pulled down.
 
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