Link or no link, he's not qualified for the job.
Although, in fairness, this is one thing his personal life shouldn't be brought into....Then again though Sir Bobby referenced Maureen's behaviour as a reason for not appointing him................
Ryan Giggs. Professional, Legend, Adulterer, Accomplice, Assassin, Usurper?
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Link or no link, he's not qualified for the job.
Although, in fairness, this is one thing his personal life shouldn't be brought into....Then again though Sir Bobby referenced Maureen's behaviour as a reason for not appointing him................
It's far from impossible. In fact, I'd say it's pretty much a given that he does covet the position. But the question is what the particular circumstances happen to be. Personally, I think it's very likely that the club want him to take over - or at least that they have let him know that he is a strong candidate. Now, if we go back some months and look at LVG's comments, which read very much like an endorsement of such a scheme, it's hard to see Giggs in an actual usurper role. Unless he's extremely impatient, I don't see why he would actively undermine a man who has no issue with him taking over eventually - and whose success as a "rebuilder" may very well be part of the club's long term plan: LVG lays the foundations, Giggs takes over.
In fact, from where I'm sitting it seems that if the club has a plan at all, it's something like the above. It's either that, or no plan at all - just hire whoever is available when the time comes.
But plans - foolish or wise - may be foiled by unforeseen events. If LVG has to go - now - Woody may be reluctant to let Giggs take over, in spite of this being the long term plan, for two possible reasons: 1. He isn't deemed ready. The idea was to let him take over a perfectly balanced squad after a successful rebuild - not to leave him in charge of a group of players that may have turned on their manager (to some degree or other). 2. Maureen is available. And he wants the job.
Behavior as a football manager, dumdum. Not in his personal life.
This is the most ridiculous thread I have seen here. The subject reads like the tag line from a C-grade movie and the content of the OP is the plot of an even worse film.
thinking about a job application at the Daily Mail.Admittedly, I ain't read 90% of the posts here...
But, I can tell you why he shouldn't get the job in 3 sentences, whilst ending this thread and breaking the hearts of the romantics everywhere if you'd let me?!
I agree that he isn't qualified for the job (yet) and I hope he isn't considered for the job at the moment. I think when Sir Bobby mentioned Mourinho's behavior, it still had to do with football related events (for instance the eye gouging of Vilanova, criticizing everything but himself etc etc...).
The issue is not someone not wanting Giggs to get the job; that's a reasonable opinion. To write a bullshit story to come to that conclusion is what I find preposterous.
Yes indeed. There are many threads that discuss Gigg's experience or lack thereof for the Managerial position. The OP isn't even about why a dickhead can't do a good job. I work in an industry where lots of dickheads are great at their jobs.
And it is not even about his sex life affecting his ability to manage us. All I am hypothesizing is that Giggs is part of the regime and he cannot be totally free of blame; his character (you could say the boardroom Giggs has totally different values to the bedroom Giggs) suggests he can be lacking integrity and honesty and he might be using his position, influence and the opportunity to elevate himself. Are you saying there's zero chance of that?
But yes, he could turn out to be a brilliant manager.
Well, "that issue" seems to be relevant only to some people on the CAF. It's clearly not an issue to the club.
To be fair, it's not a bullshit story though now, is it?
You're right though, no need to use it to come to that conclusion
Souness, McManaman and Carragher want Giggs to get the job
Really funny that is.
Really funny that is.
Chill mate, as I said it is only conjecture, not fact. And yes, I did imagine all those based on some facts of his personal life and present actions and lack thereof. Are you a working adult? If so then you must have seen office politics no? Is it common to see irrefutable evidences of someone politically undermining their bosses?
Anyway, I don't have a disagreement he was a legendary player for us. Giggs may indeed be a brilliant manager and his politicking could see LVG out the door much quickly and the club may be better for it, who knows?
Also, I have stated before that I think Giggs is part of the problem in some other threads, so it was not triggered by his touchline appearance. And I admit I know nothing about Gigg's managerial potential. I know nothing much, in fact, hence I suggested for posters to stop reading the OP halfway.
It is a big issue, unless character integrity isn't an important traits. We have rejected and mocked players like Suarez/Terry/A.Cole/Mourinho/Ravel Morrison and many more for much less
Jose could have managed us but for charlton's opinion on how he handles himself outside of the pitch, so it's only fair that Giggs gets the same scrutiny
Agree with the first half of your post. But I think Giggs is a very difficult man to be rid of for Manchester United. He has a very favourable position, no unassailable but pretty damn solid.
Not really.
Ed: "Come into my office, Ryan"
Ryan: "Suppose you're going to say I'm the big cheese now?"
Ed: "No...feck off down to the dole office. You're sacked"
What has he been sacked for, for being a part of an under performing management team
Very simple
Absolutely mate. The occult is but one small step from adultery.
I repeat, it's only an issue to some people on the Caf. The club doesn't see it as an issue in respect of his employment.
How would it affect his ability to do his job?
I thought a conjecture meant a proposition for which no proof can be found... Let me know what the right word is please.
Well, recall the days where ADM body language was analysed to the death. Pseudo-psychology is the in thing these days.
Making baseless accusations is not right, but I think half of the forum opinions here are precisely that. Extrapolations and assumptions based on some journalist's article or some skewed opinion. If you think there is absolutely no chance at all that Giggs is trying to turn the situation to his own advantage, then that's a fine opinion as well.
Unless a man's integrity isn't part of what makes him a good leader, then probably not.
The OP has almost zero credibility, considering I was pretty idle yesterday and speculating. The only concrete thing is that he did have an affair with his brother's wife for eight years and is seemingly unapologetic about it. You could even argue this is not fact, that's your prerogative.
The OP simply opines that this personal side of him shows certain aspects about his character, integrity and values. And therefore it is not outside the realms of probability that he could be adding to the unstable environment to further his own ambitions.
Also don't get me wrong. In no way, is Giggs the sole factor to be blame for our failings. A lot of that falls on LVG and the players - Giggs is just not helping it, in my own opinion.
Why do some fans not see this point? It's right in our faces that at the very least he didn't go out of his way to help the situation. His buddies just kept adding more and more pressure on the manager - of course that resonated with the players - as it has with the supporters.
Agree 100% with this.
If the club considered Giggs' non-football affairs relevant, he wouldn't be where he currently is. So, it's largely a moot point. The only thing we can debate is whether said affairs should be relevant - to the club - but it's a very hypothetical sort of debate, since they clearly aren't.
Sir Bobby's criticism of Maureen was all about his "pontificating" and his public image as a football manager. With Giggs, any potential damage to United his private troubles may have caused, is already done. He's not a liability PR wise, which is probably all they care about.
Anyway, Sir Bobby's views may count for very little right now - as we might get proof of before too long.
Sir Bobby's criticism of Maureen was all about his "pontificating" and his public image as a football manager. With Giggs, any potential damage to United his private troubles may have caused, is already done. He's not a liability PR wise, which is probably all they care about.
Anyway, Sir Bobby's views may count for very little right now - as we might get proof of before too long.
The link is not that his adultery causes the club to be in a bad shape, though.
The private life matter just shows his character and integrity. It just seems to me that he will not be above using covert underhanded means to serve his own desires, that's all. And in this particular situation, my opinion only (not fact) is that he has various tools at his disposal to stick the knife into LVG and that he will use them to accelerate LVG's demise. Or possibly that of any future manager who shows some weakness. This has nothing to do with whether I think he will be a successful manager or not. I simply predict that difficult situations such as these have a strong likelihood to persist if Giggs remains in position of authority (but not as Manager) at the club.
If you are Giggs' boss and you think he's aiming for your position, and you know that he's been banging his own brother's wife for eight years (for sex only) and keeping a hypocritical front to his family, would you trust him 100%?
Of course, the baseless assumption here is that Giggs does want to be the manager of Manchester United. Maybe he doesn't.
Agree with your post on many aspects. I think the club, rightly or wrongly, could be wanting Giggs to take over. It creates something special, like Barcelona where the old players take over and does a great job. I also see LVG's endorsement as a support to that end.
It is probably less about Giggs being impatient but more about being opportunistic. His mates have been crying negative about LVG for a long time and honestly, I think he could have done something to curb that but he didn't.
Once again, more conjecture. But we know LVG is teetering precariously now. You have a situation (1-2weeks ago) where Ancelotti was available, Pep was available and Mourinho (now) and heck even Brendan Rogers available. And Giggs might be seeing Neville get that job at Valencia and thinking his time is now rather than soon. From a self-serving perspective, I'd be happy to nudge LVG over the edge and present myself as a candidate NOW rather than wait for later.
If you can't trust a man with the wife of his brother, i'm afraid you can't trust him with much!!
This "grooming him to become the next manager" only works for LVG, because he wants to retire
Any manager who doesn't see retirement won't be so keen on taking someone under his wing just for him to take over in a few years. Mourinho wasn't labelled as Robson or LVG successor, hence he poses no thread and they're probably happy to share some insight with him.
There will be conflict of interest on every level. And in many corporations and walk of life these kinds of conflict of interest are taken seriously.
How do you expect someone to stay and teach Giggs all he knows if by doing so means he's going to be replaced?
Any manager who doesn't see retirement won't be so keen on taking someone under his wing just for him to take over in a few years. Mourinho wasn't labelled as Robson or LVG successor, hence he poses no thread and they're probably happy to share some insight with him.
There will be conflict of interest on every level. And in many corporations and walk of life these kinds of conflict of interest are taken seriously.
How do you expect someone to stay and teach Giggs all he knows if by doing so means he's going to be replaced?
Voon, you used an adverb to modify a noun/adjective and that noun/adjective was 'dribble' Apt for the thread. PM me the money.
Well put.
If Mourinho takes over he'll surely let Giggs go. He's obsessed with power plays and would never allow even the possibility of an outlet for carping from within the club, especially considering what's just happened to him.
Edit. Vooon. Not Voon
Hmm... that's an interesting perspective. Honest doubts though.
1) Do you think SAF, as club ambassador will support Giggs' bid for the club?
2) The media, with Giggs mates - how much criticism will there be?
3) Fans, might be flying planes and banners about how a legend is treated?
4) If Giggs was the whistle-blower, I doubt he'd be fired.
As long as we are imagining conversations, I am thinking it goes something like
Ed: "Ryan, seems you and your mates are right. LVG is a clueless, stubborn git that made me spunk 200 million"
Ryan: "Sorry to hear that. He was a good manager in the past but unfortunately not the Manchester United way"
Ed: "Looks like we need to get rid."
Ryan: "Yea, someone like Ancelotti would be good."
Ed: "Feck, he's gone to Bayern, Pep's going to City, Mourinho's shit now and Brendan's got fake teeth. Even Gary's at Valencia now."
Ryan: "I am great mates with Gary. We learnt the same stuff from SAF and are cut out of the same cloth."
Ed: "... ... Seems short on options now. Would you fancy taking over?"
I assume you will PM me back my £1 million prize as soon as I PM you my deposit of all my life savings?
Thanks for paying the movie ticket though.
It wouldn't at all. But the OP is not saying that it affects his ability to do the job.
I shall, I shall.
It usually transpires that those who shout loudest about morality are the ones with the most to hide............
If 100% represents saying it, anything less is implying it. That post sits at 99%.
Exactly this. Conflict of interest. This happens in so many aspects of our lives; in families, in work and friendships, customer-client relationships, national politics that it is only natural to find them in a club like Manchester United, where we are talking about billions of revenue, worldwide recognition and status.
Agree.
It will cause headlines for the wrong reasons if he gets the job. You can gurantee if he becomes manager this will suddenly be all over the papers again and more dirt will be dug up.
Tommy Docherty was sacked as United manager for having an affair.
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Let me know where I said Giggs will certainly not be a good manager.
I did however imply and opine that Giggs will not be a good assistant manager to have (for another manager). I think Giggs presence will affect the ability of others to do the job of managing Manchester United. There's a difference.