Ryan Giggs. Professional, Legend, Adulterer, Accomplice, Assassin, Usurper?

A few months ago I made a joke in the current events forum and was rightly admonished by a mod. At other times, I've seen people post football stuff in non-football forums or non-football stuff in football forums and get called out for it.

This is the football forum. Is there any chance we could leave the Coronation Street bollocks outside it please?

There are plenty of reasons we can discuss as to why Giggs is or isn't a suitable option to manage the club. This need people seem to have have for using seedy personal details to make football arguments is beyond stupid. People in every facet of life manage to be good or bad at their jobs while being dickheads in their personal lives.
 
Some guys hate José antics and calling him a cnut. I'd personally take a professional mind game intended cuntishness rather than supporting a guy who bangs his brother's wife for 8 fecking years.

Sorry, there's a limit to turning a blind eye.

He's a despicable cnut. If this was gerrard/terry/or even beckham people will have different views
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Ignoring whether I agree or disagree with the view in the original post (for the record, I'm not really sure), it doesn't make a link to whether Giggs would be any good at the job or not. Successful people can be cnuts.

It'd be a gamble.
 
Sky1981 said:
Some guys hate José antics and calling him a cnut. I'd personally take a professional mind game intended cuntishness rather than supporting a guy who bangs his brother's wife for 8 fecking years.

Sorry, there's a limit to turning a blind eye.

He's a despicable cnut. If this was gerrard/terry/or even beckham people will have different views
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Rebecca Loos says hi. theres nothing pro minded about sticking your finger in peoples eyes and happily ruining peoples careers for doing their job. the game is full of cnuts, the club is our business, not peoples personal lives
 
DomesticTadpole said:
You also have to look into how he got his wife, who was his best friends girlfriend, so you can safely presume he was carrying on with her behind his back. Obviously not the best of brothers or best of friends. To me a manager should have integrity and honesty. He has neither.
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I have to agree, its an issue. There's no hiding at the top, when things get tough. Can you imagine SAF doing any of that?
 
Someone said:
It's hard to dismiss someone based on things happened in his personal life, what he did was awful of course but we don't know what any other potential managers hide in their closets either, for all we know we could be hiring a racist or a pedo, i mean look at cosby after all those year.

But based on footballing reasons only, giggs shouldn't be involved in any capacity after this, the simple fact is that he was a part of 2 regimes that failed, and he has zero managerial experience, so it's not like we're looking for continuity here. This would be a classic mistake but it seems a mistake some morons at the club willing to make while other clubs hire the best in the business.
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Like youve never give a girl drugs hoping to get laid.

That's the lifeblood of Hollywood!
 
Rado_N said:
Is it really at all controversial to say that Giggs is a prick of a man for what he did?
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Absolutely not. He isn't the angel that some of our fans potray him to be. On the pitch, sure he gave us some great memories, but I am pretty sure most of the people wouldn't want someone like him in their family.

Assuming he was in any of our families, pretty sure you wouldn't brush his sins away just because he played well for United.

It's not the reason I don't want him as manager, that's to do with him having zero experience and my belief that he'd be crap at it.
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Again you hit the nail on the head. Regardless of how I feel about him, What makes Giggs such a great choice? What that he knows the club? Well guess what Roy Keane,Steve Bruce, Mark Hughes all knew the club well. I don't see people clamoring for them to be the manager.

Apart from romanticism and sentimentality, I honestly do not see why he needs to be given a chance at this moment of time when he hasn't even proved himself.
 
diarm said:
A few months ago I made a joke in the current events forum and was rightly admonished by a mod. At other times, I've seen people post football stuff in non-football forums or non-football stuff in football forums and get called out for it.

This is the football forum. Is there any chance we could leave the Coronation Street bollocks outside it please?

There are plenty of reasons we can discuss as to why Giggs is or isn't a suitable option to manage the club. This need people seem to have have for using seedy personal details to make football arguments is beyond stupid. People in every facet of life manage to be good or bad at their jobs while being dickheads in their personal lives.
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This thread ain't for you mate with all your logic and common sense.
This is about giggs and his sex addiction which will directly link his ability to manage us.
The level of sex you have is proven to be massively important in how successful you are as a manager. Fact.
 
gooDevil said:
I have to agree, its an issue. There's no hiding at the top, when things get tough. Can you imagine SAF doing any of that?
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If he has it has been kept really quiet, but highly doubt he would. Discretion another thing Giggs doesn't have. As was said earlier, he doesn't come across as very intelligent.
 
Leroy The Red said:
This thread ain't for you mate with all your logic and common sense.
This is about giggs and his sex addiction which will directly link his ability to manage us.
The level of sex you have is proven to be massively important in how successful you are as a manager. Fact.
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I believe it.

So, would we rather win 1-0 with scum as manager or draw 4-4 with an ethical, exciting attack?
 
newgiz said:
Again you hit the nail on the head. Regardless of how I feel about him, What makes Giggs such a great choice? What that he knows the club? Well guess what Roy Keane,Steve Bruce, Mark Hughes all knew the club well. I don't see people clamoring for them to be the manager
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Indeed. There are 20 odd years worth of former players that played under Sir Alex and several assistant managers and how many of them are now managing and winning trophies at the top level?

Funny thing is Bruce and Hughes are both good managers and have had decent managerial careers and the odds of Giggs having a career in management even as good as theirs is tiny, yet the people who want Giggs as the boss would of course say they're not good enough for us.
 
Shane88 said:
Sooner we cut all ties with this Class Of 92 horseshit, the better. Leave them to their hotels, documentaries, shit movies and even shitter punditry.
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You're overlooking there will be a time when Munich will be history and no longer a presence. During those 50+ years the club benefitted and it's not been lost on the commercial side of the club. The Class of 92 represent a powerful mantra like Munich that will continue for the next 25 years.

Red Dreams said:
There will be a section of supporters who will never accept Giggs because of his personal behaviour.
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Bringing morality into making judgements about modern football is fool's errand. The game has always been dirty and those at the top have all got some kind of shady story. Giggs pushed his to the limit but that's not why IMO why he's not the right person for the club.

DomesticTadpole said:
It's the fact some people think it is a tradition to promote from within. It isn't. The last time we did it was a disaster.
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Wilf was a disaster but not his fault. The board should have planned for Fergie's retirement with candidates capable of running a top club.

LeChuck said:
Was good seeing him on the touchline yesterday.
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His touchline antics came after the second goal and was not doing anything but adding confusion and grandstanding for the angry fans. If he had been a touchline assistant since the start of the season he would have a case but he hasn't and yesterday didn't even look convincing.

DomesticTadpole said:
If he has it has been kept really quiet, but highly doubt he would. Discretion another thing Giggs doesn't have. As was said earlier, he doesn't come across as very intelligent.
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This is why I don't want Giggs as a manager. Running a top club requires greater qualities than kicking a ball as Fergie, Busby and the Doc showed
 
kafta said:
At the very least i can say giggsy has earned the right to be considered innocent until there is something concrete showing he has ulterior motives and what not.
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Giggs's behaviour in the last game needs explanation. He's stayed glued to the bench during LVG's entire tenure, the picture of a loyal subordinate, but last Saturday, when LVG was at his most vulnerable and his job seemed to hang by a thread, Giggs jumps up and puts on an ostentatious display of 'how management is done' on the sideline.

If he was acting under instructions from his boss, it's all good; but if he wasn't, it raises obvious questions about Gigg's understanding of the word 'loyalty' in his professional as well as his private life.
 
God I wish they just make him manager already just to see the reaction on the 'cafe.
 
Will Absolute said:
Giggs's behaviour in the last game needs explanation. He's stayed glued to the bench during LVG's entire tenure, the picture of a loyal subordinate, but last Saturday, when LVG was at his most vulnerable and his job seemed to hang by a thread, Giggs jumps up and puts on an ostentatious display of 'how management is done' on the sideline.

If he was acting under instructions from his boss, it's all good; but if he wasn't, it raises obvious questions about Gigg's understanding of the word 'loyalty' in his professional as well as his private life.
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his first loyalty should be to Manchester United. Whether it was planned to show he was not in agreement with van Gaal or not does not matter. If the board thinks he was wrong he will be reprmanded. I think he and either Rooney or Carrick had seen the board Friday as speculated. So this really says he has the board on his side.
 
Will Absolute said:
Giggs's behaviour in the last game needs explanation. He's stayed glued to the bench during LVG's entire tenure, the picture of a loyal subordinate, but last Saturday, when LVG was at his most vulnerable and his job seemed to hang by a thread, Giggs jumps up and puts on an ostentatious display of 'how management is done' on the sideline.

If he was acting under instructions from his boss, it's all good; but if he wasn't, it raises obvious questions about Gigg's understanding of the word 'loyalty' in his professional as well as his private life.
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He was on the touchline against Bournemouth as well for a bit. How do you account for that?
 
Sky1981 said:
Some guys hate José antics and calling him a cnut. I'd personally take a professional mind game intended cuntishness rather than supporting a guy who bangs his brother's wife for 8 fecking years.

Sorry, there's a limit to turning a blind eye.

He's a despicable cnut. If this was gerrard/terry/or even beckham people will have different views
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Yep. Personally, I cannot understand anyone that has even a speck of respect for Ryan Giggs. He's a despicable and disgusting human being. Manchester United would be a better club with him somewhere else.
 
Good thread. I have absolutely no respect left for Giggs after what he did to his brother and his father even went public and said Giggs hasn't even apologized. If that's the way he manages his personal life, what does that tell you about his potential as a football manager? He was a teenage hero of mine and a great player. But management would be much more about Giggs the man rather than Giggs the player and you can't just overlook something like that and pretend it never happened. To be honest, I wish he had nothing to do with the club in the future.
 
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I'm not to hurl abuse Giggs' way like I've read some here do, but having him as assistant manager might have created some issues. Now, if we sack LVG and have to put an Interim Manager in charge it will be hard to go with someone experienced like Chelsea have done, because there will be a proper clamour to give Giggs a chance and he'll expect it too.
 
Akash said:
He was on the touchline against Bournemouth as well for a bit. How do you account for that?
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I missed part of the Bournemouth game.

As I said, if LVG is telling him to do this, it's not an issue; but it looks like a piece of opportunism on Giggs's part - a message to whom it may concern: 'I can fill these boots.'

We're all human: I wouldn't blame Giggs for recognising that the curtain may be falling on LVG's reign, and calculating his own chances of taking his place; but as his assistant manager he owes him support until the end - if he can't offer that, he should resign.
 
clarkydaz said:
people still thinking he broke rank :lol:
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Yeah, there's a lot I dislike about Giggs and I wouldn't be surprised if he is eyeing up the job for himself when LVG's gone, but there's a lot of stuff in this thread that's bordering on fan fiction material.

Stuff like, "You could see it in his eyes", for example, which is fairly daft and over the top.
 
In danger of becoming an old boys club. Striking similarities to Liverpool in the 90s.

Our next move is so important. It just has to be the right one.
 


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To all the conspiracy theorists on here, if you type 'mon' on your dial pad = illuminati confirmed
 
Shane88 said:
Sooner we cut all ties with this Class Of 92 horseshit, the better. Leave them to their hotels, documentaries, shit movies and even shitter punditry.
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I agree. Its almost like they are royalty and its a crime to criticize anything they say. Beckham thinks Giggs should be United's next manager. It surely must happen now! Bullshit
 
Shane88 said:
Sooner we cut all ties with this Class Of 92 horseshit, the better. Leave them to their hotels, documentaries, shit movies and even shitter punditry.
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I agree. The weird thing is that the class of 92 was never the core of out team. The class of 92 frenzy was created by media only after they retired! They are re-writing history...
 
I don't really care where he's stuck his old boy. He shouldn't be the next United manager because he's not experienced enough.

He needs to drop down a division and prove himself.

Come back in five years mate after you've cut your cloth and become a top class manager, and then, me old mucker, the jobs all yours :-)
 
If he was made manager he'd be diddling Liverpool behind the Stretty and and porking City at Carrington. :(

Giggs sleazy personal life aside we don't need to dig there for reasons he shouldn't be manager, he's been on the coaching staff of two dud regimes and has feck all managerial experience, the PL is harder than ever and we can't afford a novice in charge.
 
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