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Ryan Giggs. Professional, Legend, Adulterer, Accomplice, Assassin, Usurper?
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Reading the threads over the last few days and im shocked at how so called UTD fans can turn against a club legend so quick!
It isn't Ryan's fault that LVG is stubborn, if he dared to raise his voice against LVG he would be shouted down and told where to go. He like us will be as frustrated as anyone, but anyone who has worked for a clueless manager knows, your hands are tied to what you can actually do.
If Utd give him a chance should they let LVG go, then why shouldn't he have a go? I know I would love the chance like any poster on here would, so lets stop with the Ryan knocking and remember what a club legend he really is!
It isn't Ryan's fault that LVG is stubborn, if he dared to raise his voice against LVG he would be shouted down and told where to go. He like us will be as frustrated as anyone, but anyone who has worked for a clueless manager knows, your hands are tied to what you can actually do.
If Utd give him a chance should they let LVG go, then why shouldn't he have a go? I know I would love the chance like any poster on here would, so lets stop with the Ryan knocking and remember what a club legend he really is!
What "core" means? Scholes, Giggs, and Neville for instance weren't part of it?
Who was then?
It can't work that way, though. I'm sure Fergie's assistants had their own ideas at times (Like Kidd with Hartson), but if they went and done what they wanted it would have been chaos. They are United employees but they work for the manager.
There's been a lot of LVG character assassinations on here lately so it's nice to have some diversity.
The post takes the character assassination to a new level altogether.
He fecked his brother's wife, and then saw support for 2 managers dwindle at the club and hence it is proved he is the snake at Utd. Looks like straight out of a fiction novel.
The part I agree is that Giggs is more or less part of the problems at Utd under LvG. He could have/should have done more. It maybe one of the worst ideas to hire Giggs as the next manager when rivals are getting Klopp, Pep and the likes but to say he has orchestrated a political power struggle and won with his evil clever tactics is taking it too far.
Coming to he being silent and getting the sympathetic support from media, it is the same with the 300K guy at the club. None of the ex-players or legends call spade a spade and say that he is the biggest reason our attack is so toothless. There are some guys who enjoy unconditional support from the media and Giggs is just one of them.
He fecked his brother's wife, and then saw support for 2 managers dwindle at the club and hence it is proved he is the snake at Utd. Looks like straight out of a fiction novel.
The part I agree is that Giggs is more or less part of the problems at Utd under LvG. He could have/should have done more. It maybe one of the worst ideas to hire Giggs as the next manager when rivals are getting Klopp, Pep and the likes but to say he has orchestrated a political power struggle and won with his evil clever tactics is taking it too far.
Coming to he being silent and getting the sympathetic support from media, it is the same with the 300K guy at the club. None of the ex-players or legends call spade a spade and say that he is the biggest reason our attack is so toothless. There are some guys who enjoy unconditional support from the media and Giggs is just one of them.
I don't know who you are but I'm reporting you for hacking into my laptop and stealing excerpts of a piece I'm writing which I was going to post on here tomorrow.Wow you have a lot of patience to write all this!But it is a good post.
I can't disagree with you here. I actually thought the team didn't start out too badly. Then we started getting the boring thing going by Giggs' mates and the media; then the fans started getting restless; and at that moment I felt this is not going to end well. My main concern has always been the well being of the team, and I knew it would start going downhill and all these comments from the ass manager's mates must have resonated with the players. The pressure just got to these players and I knew even though it's LVG that the criticism was aimed at, that the players aren't mentally strong enough to shrug it off and keep going. So Ryan affected not only LVG, but also by extension the players. In sport, the more tense you are, the worst you perform - and this is exactly what's happened to our boys, along with LVG of course not adjusting enough to the situation. It just shows you how self serving Ryan is. He can't see past his ambition to do what's right for the team and the club he professes to love so much.
With all that going on, there's no way LVG could survive - you cannot such a huge difference in outlook between the management team - everyone has to put their differences aside to make the whole thing work.
Also, to those 'senior' players - they should be bloody ashamed of themselves.
But agree with everything you say - even if it's unpopular for others.
What's your problem?So now a player-coach has the same responsibilities as an assistant manager?Get your fact right before you even try to debate for something isn't that the basic?
About this thread,it's like the OP has read too many fiction novel.Imagination is good,but use something that you think has happened without solid evidences to accuse someone for undermining their boss, especially one of our legends is irrational.I don't want to say feck off but I'll just stay away from thread like this really.
And even if Giggs does really do it I wouldn't give a damn also.LVG's philosophy would fail regardless as many have said so cool if we can force the club to get him out.
Isn't it laughable that these accusation of Giggs starting to pop up after his present in the touchline?Love how people are treating it as a bad thing to fit their agenda so that they can cross Giggs directly out of the potential manager candidate list.People just love "proven" names so that they can feel safe that's all.How about just admit that most of us know nothing about Gigg's managerial potential and wait to see what will happen?It's not like it's that likely that he'll be appointed, or even being kept by the new manager anyway.
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I thought Giggs to the technical area for the remainder of the half was a pretty transparent audition for the big job.
As a leader of a team that often has disagreements, you never, you never EVER show public dissent. It puts doubt in the troops/players. That is something you never ever fecking do, and Giggs did it. It might not be a challenge to LvG from Giggs, but it can be taken as such, and as such, LvG is well within his rights to axe him after that imo, and frankly he probably should. It's probably too late now, I think LvG is on his way out and Giggs is pouncing. Firing Giggs now would appear to be petty.
Issues are to be worked out behind closed doors. A unified front is to ALWAYS be presented towards the team and the public. Always.
Oh, and I actually really like Giggs and kind of don't really give a shit about his personal life so long as he gets the job done.
As a leader of a team that often has disagreements, you never, you never EVER show public dissent. It puts doubt in the troops/players. That is something you never ever fecking do, and Giggs did it. It might not be a challenge to LvG from Giggs, but it can be taken as such, and as such, LvG is well within his rights to axe him after that imo, and frankly he probably should. It's probably too late now, I think LvG is on his way out and Giggs is pouncing. Firing Giggs now would appear to be petty.
Issues are to be worked out behind closed doors. A unified front is to ALWAYS be presented towards the team and the public. Always.
Oh, and I actually really like Giggs and kind of don't really give a shit about his personal life so long as he gets the job done.
Fully in agreement with what you've said there. You know the score here, only non-British coaches are considered to have adequate tactical awareness, and everyone is an expert on the role of an assistant manager. We got a Dutch football genius in and we've never seen poorer tactics and decision making. As for the lack of experience stick, how much did pep have before taking over barca? There are no guarantees either way on the importance of a trophy laden CV.
The writing's pretty bad, it's true.
Mostly conjecture, several assumptions. Only fact we know is he boned his brother's wife for 8 years and while she was pregnant with the nephew.
I don't think Giggs needed my help in character assassination. He accomplished a lot by himself.
And no, I am not Giggs' brother fortunately. Similar, don't think most of us here are board members of Man United, doesn't stop us from calling LVG to be sacked.
Let's assume it is indeed a mess. That's more down to perception than anything though.
But anyway this is not about that. It is about the possibility that Giggs could be using this opportunity to politick his way to the manager role. The ex-players might not necessarily want Giggs as manager, but if you are good mates with Giggs it is a lot easier for you to undermine LVG.
Agree with your bolded part above. I think many people have certain dark sides to them and they could still do a good job professionally.
Perhaps Giggs can do a great job, I don't know. I just think that his behaviour (or lack of in some aspects) , coupled with his history of personal mis-demeanors (which in my view, are frankly quite deplorable) will make it difficult for any other manager to work well at the club.
I didn't know which thread to put this in. There are so many!
An honest question though, do you think it impossible that Giggs covets the managerial position? He's tasted it for a few weeks during the post-Moyes era and I think most people would enjoy that.
It is just my view that, given the low bar Giggs seems to have set for his own personal integrity, he will not be above sticking the knife in and fanning the flames. Also in my experience, not always football-related of course, toxic politics affect everyone at the club.
Well, now that LVG has half a foot in the managerial grave he needs to be visible to remind the board that he is around.
Sorry, I will read your thread next time.The OP was right. That is 5 mins of my life I am not getting back.
It's fecking bizarre that some people want him as manager. What is wrong with you people?!
Has it not come to attention that all ex Liverpool players in the media want Giggs to get the job and how wrong that is? Souness, who during the week was laughing at United, was waving the "Giggs for United" flag today....And some of you actually think it's a good idea?
If Giggs goes and manages another club and becomes a success, then he has a job nailed on.
Yesterday was hilarious imo...He was just shouting random words from the touchline and pointing in various directions and certain journalists want Giggs to get the job
At one point, he shouted "Wazza!!" and then pointed at Norwich's box ffs But this is enough to be our new manger according to some
No doubt someone will tell me I've an agenda and the actual pointing was tactical genius
Has it not come to attention that all ex Liverpool players in the media want Giggs to get the job and how wrong that is? Souness, who during the week was laughing at United, was waving the "Giggs for United" flag today....And some of you actually think it's a good idea?
If Giggs goes and manages another club and becomes a success, then he has a job nailed on.
Yesterday was hilarious imo...He was just shouting random words from the touchline and pointing in various directions and certain journalists want Giggs to get the job
At one point, he shouted "Wazza!!" and then pointed at Norwich's box ffs But this is enough to be our new manger according to some No doubt someone will tell me I've an agenda and the actual pointing was tactical genius
Don't know if this has been posted, but anyone know what he is referring to here exactly?
Stories were going around, during the 13/14 season that Giggs was complaining about Moyes to the board, not showing up for training and that he made certain remarks about Moyes, whilst on the bench, against Olympiacos...
Recent stories have implied he has gone to Woodward and tried to get LvG out...
I'm not saying it's true but, why has Giggs been mentioned again?
What he did in his private life was disgusting but it has nothing to do with what he did and is doing for the club. So much conjectures based on absolutely nothing serves no one. Easily one of the worst OP I've read in months.
ps: We don't even know if it's not LVG who told him to try to talk to team from the touchline.
ps: We don't even know if it's not LVG who told him to try to talk to team from the touchline.
Who is he?
I think Giggs needs to move on personally. Whoever takes charge can't have this threat of Giggs hanging over constantly. Not making excuses for LVG or Moyes, but people used to say that Sir Alex's presence will cause issues. I'd argue that having an assistant manager constantly being spoken about as the next manager is also not the best situation.
I remember that now!
Pretty low stuff if it is true. I think he just needs to break away from the club. Maybe come back in a few years but a new environment would be good.
Regardless, he needs to go off to another club.
It isn't healthy for us or him. He needs to progress, if he wants to be a manager and we need cut loose from this "Oh Fergie's boys" mentality. It's come and gone and people need to accept it
Oh don't worry. I will try to make sure it is about Giggs performing rituals to bring Satan to Earth so that he can take over humanity and feed off the blood and souls of hapless kids.
After all Giggs did have an affair with his brother's wife, so that obviously leads to the aforementioned inference.
Gotta say, I do find it hilarious.
Part of the Caf are bringing up Giggs' personal issues as to why he can't manage a team.
The other part are actually defending his actions and yet will quite happily slag Chelsea fans on here, over John Terry
Part of the Caf are bringing up Giggs' personal issues as to why he can't manage a team.
The other part are actually defending his actions and yet will quite happily slag Chelsea fans on here, over John Terry
Exactly this. What he did in his personal life is despicable. No one will argue otherwise. But the OP goes on to villify his whole presence. Although the OP also stated it is conjecture but to go about making absolutely baseless and wild allegations is not right.
Giggs walking down the touchline is now seen as some sort of calculated move with a far more sinister motive behind it. Christ on a bike. This Moyes and LVG reign has surely turned so many go crazy with speculations.
Doubt anyone here is defending what he did in his personal life, but many don't think that is the reason behind not appointing him as our manager.Gotta say, I do find it hilarious.
Part of the Caf are bringing up Giggs' personal issues as to why he can't manage a team.
The other part are actually defending his actions and yet well quite happily slag Chelsea fans on here, over John Terry
He is not proven at all and many believe not even good enough to lead us. The shenanigans in his personal life need not be dug up and used as an excuse to villify his every move and then infer that he should not be given the job on moral grounds.
In fairness though, he's had previous in regards the stories over Moyes....One or two which has been backed up.
It's not beyond the bounds of realism that, yet again he's been mentioned, that it could be true
I ain't used his personal life at all for abuse. Not an issue at the moment.
Some guys hate José antics and calling him a cnut. I'd personally take a professional mind game intended cuntishness rather than supporting a guy who bangs his brother's wife for 8 fecking years.
Sorry, there's a limit to turning a blind eye.
He's a despicable cnut. If this was gerrard/terry/or even beckham people will have different views
I *don't* see what you did there
I think it reflects very poorly on Admin that this thread was allowed to exist - it's not "fair comment", it's nothing more than gratituitous character assassination of a great servant of the club. There are already other threads on Giggs, how many do we need??
Though this time he is being mentioned for the sake of it and not based on anything concrete. Just idle speculation to somehow blame him for our failings. Then to ensure their specualtion is given some credence, they bring up his personal life to cover up for the lack of evidence.
None of us is perfect, while I can understand a few nights outs and a burst of lust taking the better of a person, this is 8 years. 8 bloody years of constantly lying, making that straight look faces for 8 years infront of not only his brothers, but his own wife and kids. What a fecking monster he is.
And yes, it does matter. Probably didn't matter much as a footballer, but as a manager your words and integrity plays a big part in your career. How could you trust a man who backstabs his own brother, betrays his wife for 8 years who has no problem looking at you straight in the eye.
And to think that he's so innocence in all this, as a senior figure he could have curbed the dressing room revolt, he could have rally the squad, he could have issue unity call, he could have told his buddies to give LVG time. No he's playing his alice band with his bored look, constant complaining and confronting his manager (Moyes) in a confrontational ways (It's Moyes, but that's unprofessional). Taking his jib on an under pressure LVG by going out there to the sideline pretending to be caring etc
I don't need much prove to know he's a cnut if he can bang his in law for 8 years, what's more showing of a man integrity? His career or his family? a man can dress his CV to perfection but family is where a man shows his true color.
And yes, it does matter. Probably didn't matter much as a footballer, but as a manager your words and integrity plays a big part in your career. How could you trust a man who backstabs his own brother, betrays his wife for 8 years who has no problem looking at you straight in the eye.
And to think that he's so innocence in all this, as a senior figure he could have curbed the dressing room revolt, he could have rally the squad, he could have issue unity call, he could have told his buddies to give LVG time. No he's playing his alice band with his bored look, constant complaining and confronting his manager (Moyes) in a confrontational ways (It's Moyes, but that's unprofessional). Taking his jib on an under pressure LVG by going out there to the sideline pretending to be caring etc
I don't need much prove to know he's a cnut if he can bang his in law for 8 years, what's more showing of a man integrity? His career or his family? a man can dress his CV to perfection but family is where a man shows his true color.
TBF this is the first thread addressing "that issue" in particular
Not looking at you. Some here are doing that including the OP - who took it to a whole new level.
This is equivalent of journos using sources and inside knowledge to basically print any lies and agenda they want to. It's easy to do it.
Ah now hang on a second ffs
That is absolutely laughable!
Character assassination? He did do all those things with his family. I choose not to mention them or bring them up in discussion but, he did do them! I bet you are one of those posters who will drag up dirt on John Terry and the like but actually get precious over Giggs....He done it, it's a fact, get over it!
As for the whole great servant to the club....I used the Robson example yesterday. Fergie shat on Robson, purely for the good of the club and for wanting the best for the club....Giggs was an amazing player for us, one of my all time favourite players but, it's done now. Time to move on. Giggs needs to go and manage another club for a few years. Him shouting "Wazza" down the touchline yesterday is not a qualification for the biggest job in football
As for legends and club servants....Parker, Pallister, Sharpe, Keane, McClair, Hughes, Kan Kan, Butt, Phil Neville to name a few, have all got a hell of a lot worse of a shoeing on here than Giggs has ever got...Admin and Mods don't need to put anything in line unless it's a blatant lie or a shit thread
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It is the link being made between a private life matter and a club matter that makes no sense.
Well, are all judges in the world totally squeaky clean then?
Anyway it is not about morals, some people might be ok with what Giggs did and some find it disgusting. Just saying that, because we know now that Giggs is far from squeaky clean we cannot discount that he's got a hand in the troubles, whether he started it or he's participating in it or he's accelerating it, etc.
Agree with this. Neville has gone to put himself under fire (though his relationship with Peter Lim must have helped) but Giggs is waiting for the fruit to drop, maybe shaking the tree a little.