Ryan Giggs. Professional, Legend, Adulterer, Accomplice, Assassin, Usurper?

Ixion said:
Giggs has been around the squad from Van Gaal's first day. Why would they suddenly respond to him giving the instructions instead? Because he's their mate? He knows the club? Because they respect all the things he won as a player? Geordies thought Shearer could save Newcastle from relegation with that sort of reasoning. He's been around during the Moyes failure and Van Gaal's time at the club, it would not be the shake up the club need giving him the job. A few bad results at the players would turn on him anyway.
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Agreed.

On another note - this link - http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/...x701/90643.jpg - does a picture really tell the whole story? Looks bad:(
 
You should all be ashamed of your allegations. Ryan Giggs would never do anything to harm United. The club is like family to him. Can you see him betray his own flesh and blood? Its pretty much the same thing for him

Seriously, while I don't blame this crap on him, if I was the next Manchester United's manager he would be the first person I'll fire. Nothing personal but its not healthy having as assistant the man whose eyeing for your job.
 
devilish said:
You should all be ashamed of your allegations. Ryan Giggs would never do anything to harm United. The club is like family to him. Can you see him betray his own flesh and blood? Its pretty much the same thing for him

Seriously, while I don't blame this crap on him, if I was the next Manchester United's manager he would be the first person I'll fire. Nothing personal but its not healthy having as assistant the man whose eyeing for your job.
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The next manager needs to make that a condition before signing on imo. Had read when the first Jose speculation started a strange tweet (yeah I know they're hardly reliable), but it was from some journalist or the other - basically stating that Jose knows that Ryan is a problem and that players that share the same agent with Jose have told him this....... so implying Jose would look to get him out of there I guess if he got the job. Dunno how reliable this is.
In any case we need a fresh start.
 
devilish said:
You should all be ashamed of your allegations. Ryan Giggs would never do anything to harm United. The club is like family to him. Can you see him betray his own flesh and blood? Its pretty much the same thing for him
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Ooh you are awful...but I like you.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
That picture really tells us nothing.

It does something to you? Please, share.
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Looks like he's enjoying us getting battered and gives no fecks. You got a problem with that?
 
Mrs Smoker said:
I have no problem with you feeling any way you like, I'd just say that's quite a leap you did there though.
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That was taken at today's shit game. Hardly a time to look so pleased:rolleyes: In any case, we see different things so no problem.
 
Jazz said:
That was taken at today's shit game. Hardly a time to look so pleased:rolleyes: In any case, we see different things so no problem.
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How do you know when exactly during the game it was taken? Could have been LVG about to sneeze and Giggs letting one rip for all we know.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
I mean, who knows what the feck he's smiling about, but to say it's because he enjoys seeing us battered, well, whatever.
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There's was nothing to smile about today. But like you said who knows? Just doesn't seem bothered to me.
 
It's a single moment in a day. Maybe he remembered that fine day when he found a penny behind a couch.

He didn't look too happy during the game when the camera panned at him. Doesn't that say more than a single image?
 
Reading a lot into the photo is a bit daft considering it's literally one single moment of a 90 minute match. Perhaps he saw something funny in the crowd. Perhaps he remembered something funny Gary Neville texted him earlier that day.

I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs is partly pleased at the potential sacking of LVG since it'll probably benefit him, but it's a big step to assume one frame means he's delighted at possibly getting the job.
 
Naughty but nice from RAWK:

Giggseh might provide a short term upturn in fortunes but things would probably go South once the honeymoon period ends.
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Actually, Giggs has demonstrated in the past that he can stick around long after the honeymoon period.
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I try not to pay attention to the personal life of players, we are all human and have faults.

What he did was deplorable and speaks of him as a person but at the same time who am I to judge.

Aside from that, he doesn't need to be anywhere the manager job here. Has done little to show he deserves it. Some liken it to Pep but it feels like Giggs is waiting for the handout whilst Pep earned his shot.

Part of two failed regimes here, we should be weary of just handing him the reins especially with

1. The managers that are already here
2. The managers that could potentially come here
3. The managers that are available
 
devilish said:
You should all be ashamed of your allegations. Ryan Giggs would never do anything to harm United. The club is like family to him. Can you see him betray his own flesh and blood? Its pretty much the same thing for him

Seriously, while I don't blame this crap on him, if I was the next Manchester United's manager he would be the first person I'll fire. Nothing personal but its not healthy having as assistant the man whose eyeing for your job.
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Well, maybe not fire but telling nicely to earn his stripes somewhere else first. Either that or make him manager with the same targets as what Moyes or LVG had.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Rubbish and I hear this a lot which shows that people just haven't got their heads around how powerless an assistant can be if a manager has his own very different ideas on how the game should be played. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water and he did well in his previous interim stint. Give him the job again as interim and if there is not turn around then you have the option in the summer of bringing in a bigger name.

LVG is incapable of getting us into the top 5 at this rate and we can't get relegated so nothing to lose unless a ready made option is there as manager to come in now.
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So maybe after all P.Neville should have been giving the job after Moyes?? He was sacked with Moyes and so should Giggs when we sack LVG.
 
Jazz said:
That was taken at today's shit game. Hardly a time to look so pleased:rolleyes: In any case, we see different things so no problem.
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At what point was the picture taken?
Was it when we were getting trashed or when someone fell over?
Making assumptions over a picture because it looks a certain way without knowing at what point the picture was taken is ridiculous. Get the fact before stating
 
I'm stunned that Giggs is even considered. I just do not understand it. He failed in the Moyes regime, yet somehow got a promotion from it while everyone else was sacked! He is part of another failing coaching staff yet people want him promoted again. If he was that bloody good maybe we wouldn't have been hovering above midtable while he was part of the staff.
 
It's amazing how much blame is being put on Giggs, but when I created a thread questioning Moyes decision to sack off the back room staff literally no one saw it as a problem. So make your minds up, assistant manager is important or not?
 
afrocentricity said:
It's amazing how much blame is being put on Giggs, but when I created a thread questioning Moyes decision to sack off the back room staff literally no one saw it as a problem. So make your minds up, assistant manager is important or not?
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It's more about the British issue.
Assistant's like Mulensteen, Carlos Queiroz, these were the football geniuses behind Sir Alex's success.
Phelan and McLaren, what did these guys even do? What would either know about tactics or preparing for a game? Giggs fits into this bracket.

There's no sense behind it but it's an extremely popular perception. British = boring football, Dutch = total football, simple yet in reality completely ironic.
 
m1tch said:
It's more about the British issue.
Assistant's like Mulensteen, Carlos Queiroz, these were the football geniuses behind Sir Alex's success.
Phelan and McLaren, what did these guys even do? What would either know about tactics or preparing for a game? Giggs fits into this bracket.

There's no sense behind it but it's an extremely popular perception. British = boring football, Dutch = total football, simple yet in reality completely ironic.
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Its got nothing to do with that ffs :lol::lol:
 
If there are concerns at board level with moral behaviour of a proven winning manager like jose mourinho, why the feck would we be appointing an ex player with no management experience who was shagging his brother's wife?
 
mattsville said:
If there are concerns at board level with moral behaviour of a proven winning manager like jose mourinho, why the feck would we be appointing an ex player with no management experience who was shagging his brother's wife?
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United Way.
 
RedPnutz said:
Well, maybe not fire but telling nicely to earn his stripes somewhere else first. Either that or make him manager with the same targets as what Moyes or LVG had.
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I love Giggs, he was my favourite player. However once he aimed for the top spot he made his situation not acceptable. Football is a close knit job were the coaching staff is hand picked by the manager. Usually when the manager moves somewhere else he takes his people with him so these person's future is tied to their manager. A manager can't have a person as assistant whose aiming for his job cause when shit happens he will wonder whether that person is fueling it
 
devilish said:
I love Giggs, he was my favourite player. However once he aimed for the top spot he made his situation not acceptable. A manager can never trust an assistant who desperately wants his job.
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Yeah I think we need to end two "uncomfortable" situations at the football club.

Manager and Ryan Giggs who wants to be manager.

Manager and Rooney who is a big name expected to play despite not deserving to.

The latter parts of both of the above needs to be let go for the clubs and their own good.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yeah I think we need to end two "uncomfortable" situations at the football club.

Manager and Ryan Giggs who wants to be manager.

Manager and Rooney who is a big name expected to play despite not deserving to.

The latter parts of both of the above needs to be let go for the clubs and their own good.
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That's extremely important and an argument which I feel it is barely ever argued regarding Giggs. Even if he's SAF in the making he's still inexperienced and he will be making mistakes, something a big club in our situation can't and won't tolerate. The great man himself started slow, first at East Stirlingshire then Motherwell and Aberdeen and finally with us. What makes us think that Giggs doesn't need the same learning experience?

Some keep mentioning Pep but the situation Pep found at Barca is different to the one Giggs will find at United. Barcelona were at the cusp of introducing something extraordinary, youths where so good that they will bring the football world at its knees. The last thing Barca wanted is someone from outside who would not appreciate the talent the youth academy was producing and therefore try to reinvent the wheel. United are in a total different situation. The first team is not good enough, our youths are not good enough and we need a major shake up.
 
RedPnutz said:
Everything that follows is purely conjecture.
I used to admire Ryan Giggs but now I only look fondly at the player, not the man after retirement from the playing field.

I will always remember when this young boy broke into the team with his floppy curly hair with the ball seemingly glued to his feet and even the wind was unable to catch him. As a Man Utd fan for nearly three decades, Giggs had always been a fixture and a symbol of what I had thought Manchester United was about: youthful exuberance, pace, attacking prowess and loyalty. I admired the way he protected his body through yoga and adapted his skills to be functional in other positions in the squad. To me it was as if he loved the game and the club so much that he wanted to go on forever and he wanted to extract every drop of value he could bring to the club. Because of that, he was a Legend and still is. But perhaps he is thinking after decades in contribution, he should be receiving his rightful due with arguably the biggest managerial job in England.

Sometime over the last several years the media revealed, in my personal opinion only, an extremely reprehensible side of Mr Giggs: that he had been sleeping with his brother's wife for eight years amongst his other affairs.

Eight years. His brother's wife.

Now, I suppose that there are many that may take a casual view over the occasional extra-marital one-night stands or have some level of nonchalance about extended extra-marital affairs, but really. Your own brother's wife? Not once in a drunken party but a knowing, purposeful, consistent, habitual sexual relationship with your brother's wife. Picture the same happening to you.

And of course Giggs continued to keep up his clean cut family image, parading his children at matches and events. We often have to take the media with a large dollop of salt, but I last read that our Legend Giggs did not offer any apology till now but mentions "it was just sex". Of course it takes two to tango, but let's see here so our beloved Ryan simply treated his Sister-in-law as some sex object (and probably his own brother as some fool). So now the brother has divorced the wife. Family dinners must be fun. Well done, Ryan. You have screwed not just the women must the lives of many around you.

This speaks volumes about Gigg's character. Forget that he has never been given a real managerial job. Forget that he needs to earn his managerial stripes at a smaller club before managing Manchester United. Despite knowing that the odds of Gigg's jumping straight in as manager of Man Utd and succeeding are infinitesimal, silly romanticism and sentimentality may see it worth taking that gamble on Ryan Giggs.

But not now, and not ever I hope. No one's perfect, of course. Everyone has some flaws and dark sides but Gigg's deceit reveal the depth of his character. Can it be that he is only an immoral, lying, self-gratifying and hypocritical human being in his personal life but an otherwise exemplary human being in professional football? Research, academia and history suggest extremely unlikely.

These two and a half years of supposed failure of Man Utd has several common factors, and one of these factors - a large one, has been the presence of Ryan Giggs.

Ryan Giggs is such a fixture and legend at Old Trafford that I have no doubt he holds the awe of many and has considerable influence over the senior players, youth and staff at the club.

During Moyes' time, it was reported that Giggs made several veiled remarks about Moyes' methods. The media has never criticised Giggs despite him being the assistant manager.

It is political now. Giggs is in one of the best positons anyone can hope to have. He has got the resentful fans on his side. His pals in the media are laying into LVG and keeping him absolved of any fault. In additional to being a foreign manager whom the British media loves to criticise, LVG has a language and cultural barrier that makes him easily misunderstood and often lets him dig deeper holes. I have never heard Giggs speak up and defend the current regime. It is clear he wants to be detached from it.

LVG has frequently said Giggs will be the next manager. I cannot imagine that he will ignore Giggs input. We also see during matches that LVG speaks frequently to Giggs - how can Giggs not have a part to play in the team's current malaise? It is always easy to target one person rather than a committee and unfortunately LVG makes himself an easy target at times. What I think is that Giggs is using various channels such as discontent in senior players and using his pals as media mouth pieces to increased the target on LVG's back.

All for his self-serving aim to be the next manager of Manchester United. His character tells us he is capable of selfish, underhanded and hypocritical acts.

You could argue the board may not be stupid enough to give the job to an inexperienced Giggs, but it comes down to influence and popular opinion. Just like the club management may be swayed but media articles to dismiss a manager they could be pressured to appoint one, especially if it is a figure of such status as Ryan Giggs combined with fan's romanticism and particularly if no one is available (Pep to City, Ancelotti to Bayern, Mourinho... Really?... Rodgers?). Giggs will be hard to get rid of.

It's all conjecture and very likely bullshit but I see in Ryan Giggs one of the main origins of our current club's troubles. He holds too much influence for LVG to do his job properly.
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You make a few salient points about Louis VG but come on, Ryan Giggs is the embodiment of the mega success of United as THE dominant club of the English League since the early 1990s. He is not some furtive underminer of managers that aren't Sir Alex Ferguson. Ryan epitomises Manchester United in the modern era. He has earned his place in the management structure of United.

I don't think he should become manager of United for a few years more but I would hate to see him earn his stripes at a lower league club and vanish into the morass of the lower leagues. He has too much experience and knowledge - and he is one of the all-time greats of British football.

As for any connection of his private life to his footballing life - really? Ryan Giggs is clearly one of those people who find monogamy difficult but if that has ever affected his contribution to United please tell us. Some people cheat on their partners, other people cheat people out of their money, livelihood, or sometimes enjoy abuse of others in different ways. If you think cheaters don't care about their children, then you have never met many people.

JFK was a notorious womaniser and by today's media and feminist-friendly standards could never have got away with what he did. However, despite his flaws there and with Cuban policy, he was a humanist who also had the guts to put the US' security agencies on notice that the American government was going to control them, not the other way around.

He also had a famous showdown with steel companies and rightly pointed out that how could anybody ask ordinary people to forego wage rises when the steel companies suddenly hiked their prices and rubbed everybody's nose in it? JFK also took on the oil lobby, wanted a decent relationship with the Soviet Union etc. JFK was a far better President than anybody after him.

Private lives sometimes have no relevance to the public good.
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devilish said:
That's extremely important and an argument which I feel it is barely ever argued regarding Giggs. Even if he's SAF in the making he's still inexperienced and he will be making mistakes, something a big club in our situation can't and won't tolerate. The great man himself started slow, first at East Stirlingshire then Motherwell and Aberdeen and finally with us. What makes us think that Giggs doesn't need the same learning experience?

Some keep mentioning Pep but the situation Pep found at Barca is different to the one Giggs will find at United. Barcelona were at the cusp of introducing something extraordinary, youths where so good that they will bring the football world at its knees. The last thing Barca wanted is someone from outside who would not appreciate the talent the youth academy was producing and therefore try to reinvent the wheel. United are in a total different situation. The first team is not good enough, our youths are not good enough and we need a major shake up.
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Also, when people keep mentioning Guardiola, they do it without looking at Inzaghi who was sacked by AC Milan and Clarence Seedorf who was also sacked by AC Milan. Both former Milan players who had minimal managerial experience.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Also, when people keep mentioning Guardiola, they do it without looking at Inzaghi who was sacked by AC Milan and Clarence Seedorf who was also sacked by AC Milan. Both former Milan players who had minimal managerial experience.
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Both managers who faced similar circumstances to the ones Giggs would be facing at United
 
He could be our very own Shearer, dyed in the wool club legend at the helm, knows what it is required at the club, can't go wrong. :drool:
 
Jazz said:
Looks like he's enjoying us getting battered and gives no fecks. You got a problem with that?
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Easy on the aggression. Any photo can be timed to tell a story to suit. I'm sure I have smiled at a funeral before. A photo of that moment doesn't mean I am beside myself with glee that day...
 
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