Ryan Giggs. Professional, Legend, Adulterer, Accomplice, Assassin, Usurper?
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Managing Barca B for a season is not "zero experience as a manager".
And prior to LVG getting the job at Ajax, he had 4 years experience as an assistant at two clubs.
There is a lot difference managing Barcelona B and some u21 team in England.... Barcelona B are/were in first or 2nd Division in Spain..
And what a tremendous job he did.
Could hardly tell in four games.
Err read my post again? My point was always about forcing a coach on the management, like just read what I wrote, it's right there.Oh it's not the point anymore? Surprising that
You need to read up on how Spanish football is structured (particularly the big two) - running Barcelona B has nothing in common with running United's youth team.
So both had zero experience as a manager of a senior team.
LVG fit your 'has to have experience' criteria, how's he getting on in your opinion?
Barca B play in Spanish 2nd division.
I asked for examples of people who got top jobs with zero experience as a boss, I didn't say it hadn't happened or shouldn't happen. I think Gullit did a great job at Chelsea but could not really say we were a "top" club at the time.
Were Ajax in 1991 a "top" club? Maybe. It was nearly 25 years ago though. It rarely happens and that was my point.
When Pep was in charge they played in the 4th tier of Spanish football. That's League 2 here.... so Plymouth's level.
And you still think managing a 4th tier club for 1 season (i.e. Pep) really set him a part from someone with none.
If it was a random 4th tier club, then no. That's not the case with Barca B. He was obviously someone the Barca set up were grooming for years and they have the perfect setup.
If there was a United B side then Giggs should be given the chance there. As there's not, he should be the main main somewhere else for a little while before getting the big job at Old Trafford. He already had a go and obviously didn't impress anyone.
Been part of two failed regimes. He should do the honourable thing and leave with Van Gaal.
For every Guardiola entering management there's 5 or more Roy Keanes.
People speaking of Liverpools old boot room, quoting them as reasons for in-house managers with nill experience, well, equally how did the likes of Souness and Evans do? sent them into the wilderness.
People speaking of Liverpools old boot room, quoting them as reasons for in-house managers with nill experience, well, equally how did the likes of Souness and Evans do? sent them into the wilderness.
I'd only take Giggs now if we were definitely getting Pep in the summer. But if not then putting Giggs in charge would be disastrous. Imagine missing out on Mourinho, Guardiola and Ancellotti and being left with Giggs.
What does he do? I agree with you.
And was terrible.
That would be terrible exaggeration. He managed only four games.
Rubbish and I hear this a lot which shows that people just haven't got their heads around how powerless an assistant can be if a manager has his own very different ideas on how the game should be played. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water and he did well in his previous interim stint. Give him the job again as interim and if there is not turn around then you have the option in the summer of bringing in a bigger name.
LVG is incapable of getting us into the top 5 at this rate and we can't get relegated so nothing to lose unless a ready made option is there as manager to come in now.
When Moyes came in, he sacked everyone and started afresh. Those wanting to sack Giggs are just asking for a repeat.
It's clear what the agendas are here. People who want Mourinho will paint Giggs out to be the worst thing since unsliced bread. It's the way that arguments are 'won' on the internet nowadays.
It's clear what the agendas are here. People who want Mourinho will paint Giggs out to be the worst thing since unsliced bread. It's the way that arguments are 'won' on the internet nowadays.
@duffer Had Vialli managed before he was given the Chelsea job? Always an intelligent player it's no surprise that he was an instant success as a manger. Cultured, intelligent, determined Vialli had a lot of potential as a manager. Shame his experience at Watford seemed to have soured his relationship with the sport.
I don't believe Giggs has the necessary characteristics to be a successful football manager at the highest levels. Perhaps my view of the man's abilities is warped by my view of him as a person, but the manner in which you conduct yourself outside of football informs people of the type of person you are. Football and its culture doesn't exist in a vacuum, so who you're playing for means something to players. Look at men such as Sir Alex Ferguson, MoN, Klopp, and a few more who can inflame passions and cause players to battle for every single tackle or goal. I see Giggs, I listen to Giggs and I don't see any of the human qualities that are fundamental to that almost magical ability to raise the performance of men and inspire them to great feats of achievement.
If Giggs ever goes on to become a football manager I wouldn't be surprised if he has a similar managerial career as someone like Nigel Clough.
I don't believe Giggs has the necessary characteristics to be a successful football manager at the highest levels. Perhaps my view of the man's abilities is warped by my view of him as a person, but the manner in which you conduct yourself outside of football informs people of the type of person you are. Football and its culture doesn't exist in a vacuum, so who you're playing for means something to players. Look at men such as Sir Alex Ferguson, MoN, Klopp, and a few more who can inflame passions and cause players to battle for every single tackle or goal. I see Giggs, I listen to Giggs and I don't see any of the human qualities that are fundamental to that almost magical ability to raise the performance of men and inspire them to great feats of achievement.
If Giggs ever goes on to become a football manager I wouldn't be surprised if he has a similar managerial career as someone like Nigel Clough.
Moyes let go of a multiple title winning backroom team and brought in his own yes men. Giggs has shown nothing to suggest that he can coach at the highest level, and he's been a part of two failures. He should leave.
Oh come on he won 2 games, drew 1, and lost 1. He hardly set the world alight.
Presumeably you wanted Steve Round to be kept on after Moyes was sacked.
If it's to be Mourinho then we may not need an interim. And Giggs has had 18 months to recognise that Van Gaal may have different ideas on the game to him, he could have walked at any point but chose to stick around. He was also part of the Moyes era. Sorry but he absolutely should go as well.
A bunch of dead-rubbers as well since top 4 was officially gone and most of those games had no pressure on them
What could he possibly show?
There needs to be a link to the players. Everyone else at the club is a Dutchie who's specifically an LvG man.
Nope. Were Chelsea a "top club" in 1998 though? It's hard to imagine a team with realistic aspirations to win the League or Champions League appointing a player-manager nowadays. I'd love it if more teams took such chances but they just don't
Lost at home against the team who were bottom of the league. That is inexcusable in my opinion.
Those aspirations feel like delusions now. New expectation should really be about making top 4 and qualifying for the second round of the CL.
Wondering the average age of fans who want Giggs. Presume mostly the older generation. Am I wrong?
In a dead rubber, playing Young+Nani as the strikers and giving random squad members playing time because he'd promised to get everyone involved. It was a post season friendly in all but name.
He should go if LvG gets sacked. I think it would do him great to get some experience elsewhere. Clearly thinks he has a good chance at the job, which would be madness if it happens.
Also Sunderland had a looooot to play for. That win had them risen above the relegation zone.
I thought it would be the opposite - fans who knew only Fergie and obtained a false sense of security about how low the club could sink.
You are in my case.
The side was pretty down when he took over (as they are now) he actually got them playing decent football (which they aren't currently) with a slightly worse squad than now. Give him the job till the end of the season and lets see what he can do.
The idea of simply trying to walk away from a role that involves you as coach/assistant helping players to understand and perform the instruction of the manager is a little silly just because the instructions you would give them personally are different.
The game is full of assistant manger who took on the top role and then made immediate changes to the way a team played despite having served under a manager with a different style, do you think they suddenly woke up once the top guy got sacked and realized that they have different ideas of how to play football?
Unlikely, more likely that as an assistant you simply defer to the manager's ideas even if you occasionally raise objections (and there are reasons to believe that he did on occasions) ultimately if the manager wants his way he gets it, that is the job of assistant to assist the top guy.
As for Mourinho he wouldn't take the job as interim (and not at all of Sir Bobby has his way) he is either permanent or not, and I've never liked the guy based on his classless antics so I still wouldn't have him.
If we are going to thinking about giving him the job at some point, it might as well be now.
Half a season to sink or swim.
Half a season to sink or swim.
Giggs has been around the squad from Van Gaal's first day. Why would they suddenly respond to him giving the instructions instead? Because he's their mate? He knows the club? Because they respect all the things he won as a player? Geordies thought Shearer could save Newcastle from relegation with that sort of reasoning. He's been around during the Moyes failure and Van Gaal's time at the club, it would not be the shake up the club need giving him the job. A few bad results at the players would turn on him anyway.