Aguero
Shearer
Owen
Henry
Suarez
Feels like Ty, DT, and Troopz are wumming this thread.
Henry was a better player. He wasn't a better finisher.
Aguero was a better player in a top Manchester city team. Ruud would score bucket loads in that team.
Suarez he had a couple of good seasons and thats it.
Shearer scored goals in poor teams, and is the record goal scorer, so maybe.
Michael Owen? Your having a laugh.
So, there's a player who won CL top scorer 3 times (was a record in CL era before Messi and Ronaldo came in), won golden boot in PL, Eredivisie, La Liga (was the only one to do that in 3 major leagues till Suarez replicated the feat), has the 2nd highest goals/games ratio among Utd players, 2nd highest goals/game ratio in CL, held the record for the longest scoring streak in PL, CL and La Liga(tied here), scored 44 goals in a single season while playing in England (a record that still stands).
On the other side we have a player who won golden boot twice.
And we're saying that the latter is the better striker. No one's denying RVPs game was more more pleasing to the eye, and he was better technically, but RVNs goal records more than compensates for all of this.
So, there's a player who won CL top scorer 3 times (was a record in CL era before Messi and Ronaldo came in), won golden boot in PL, Eredivisie, La Liga (was the only one to do that in 3 major leagues till Suarez replicated the feat), has the 2nd highest goals/games ratio among Utd players, 2nd highest goals/game ratio in CL, held the record for the longest scoring streak in PL, CL and La Liga(tied here), scored 44 goals in a single season while playing in England (a record that still stands).
On the other side we have a player who won golden boot twice.
And we're saying that the latter is the better striker. No one's denying RVPs game was more more pleasing to the eye, and he was better technically, but RVNs goal records more than compensates for all of this.
Torres, Fowler, Bergkamp, Drogba, Rooney, Tevez also have shouts in that list too.
Purely on finishing RVN perhaps above some of them, but the complete package it has to be Henry
My narrative is Ruud would score even more in that city team than Aguero. I'm not denying Suarez is a better player, he isn't a better finisher. How many times did Owen score more than 25 goals a season?Aguero is arguable the best finisher this league has seen so I don’t know what Other narratives your choosing the pick here. Im talking about just finishing and Micheal Owen was a better finisher than Shearer. The injuries ruined own.
Suarez a couple good seasons? Check his actually goalscoring record mate. It’s shockingly good.
Exactly this. Its not even close.So, there's a player who won CL top scorer 3 times (was a record in CL era before Messi and Ronaldo came in), won golden boot in PL, Eredivisie, La Liga (was the only one to do that in 3 major leagues till Suarez replicated the feat), has the 2nd highest goals/games ratio among Utd players, 2nd highest goals/game ratio in CL, held the record for the longest scoring streak in PL, CL and La Liga(tied here), scored 44 goals in a single season while playing in England (a record that still stands).
On the other side we have a player who won golden boot twice.
And we're saying that the latter is the better striker. No one's denying RVPs game was more more pleasing to the eye, and he was better technically, but RVNs goal records more than compensates for all of this.
My narrative is Ruud would score even more in that city team than Aguero. I'm not denying Suarez is a better player, he isn't a better finisher. How many times did Owen score more than 25 goals a season?
What I'm basing finishing off is in the penalty area, and I've not seen better than Ruud.Not many times.. but if Owen played for United from 97 to 2002 would he not of scored more goals than Cole and Yorke? Just going off you Aguero argument?
It depends how you judge finishing. I mean in the 6 yard box I’d have Ruud over anyone each day. But there is more to being a good finisher, I mean variety is very important hence why some would say Raul was the best.. it’s a hard one really. But I’ve made a thread about it. Let’s see what people think.
I genuinely can't tell how many people who post on here watched Ruud week in, week out when he was at his peak with us. If they did, something's wrong with memories.
He was our best outfield player by a country mile for much of his time here. Someone disparaged his movement last page. RVN's movement?! He has some of the greatest movement and understanding of any player in the history of the game. He was also excellent in the air, and his hold up play was the best we've had in about two decades now, maybe you could say Ibra's was better but he was also static.
RVP's 1 good season with us was phenomenal, delivered us the 20th and should be heralded as such. But as centre-forward I genuinely don't think there are many attributes that RVP has over RVN. He's more graceful, and better at free kicks. Ruud was stronger, faster to react to situations, better in the air, more two-footed, better at penalties, and was insatiable for almost a decade at the highest level.
Obviously he was not as good as Van Basten though.
I get the same impression. The guy was absolute magic. My only guess is that he's a fleeting memory among increasingly younger generations of fans who grew up with the likes of RvP, Robben, et al.
What I'm basing finishing off is in the penalty area, and I've not seen better than Ruud.
Owen should of gone down as one of the greats. He should of smashed the England goal scoring record.
Aguero is arguable the best finisher this league has seen so I don’t know what Other narratives your choosing the pick here. Im talking about just finishing and Micheal Owen was a better finisher than Shearer. The injuries ruined own.
Suarez a couple good seasons? Check his actually goalscoring record mate. It’s shockingly good.
Yeah I think this is fair. I'd love to imagine RVN in a better team, the number of chances he'd get at City - he would have scored an absolute glut.RVN is up there with the best. Shearer and Aguero were better players and better finishers, Henry was just brilliant, but RVN is pretty much next in line and was one of the very top players in PL history.
Yeah I think this is fair. I'd love to imagine RVN in a better team, the number of chances he'd get at City - he would have scored an absolute glut.
Also wonder if Aguero could have been as effective playing in the early 00s. Not a lot of 'tiny' centre forwards back then, I think he would have been bullied. Owen was alright because he was lightening fast.
In what world was Owen a better finisher than Shearer.
did you ever see Shearer at Blackburn? Phenomenal player. Owen’s injuries curtailed him career, and so did Shearer’s - but he adapted and changed his game.
RVN is up there with the best. Shearer and Aguero were better players and better finishers, Henry was just brilliant, but RVN is pretty much next in line and was one of the very top players in PL history.
And so far Ruud has been in most lists. Certainly in more lists that Owen.Not many times.. but if Owen played for United from 97 to 2002 would he not of scored more goals than Cole and Yorke? Just going off you Aguero argument?
It depends how you judge finishing. I mean in the 6 yard box I’d have Ruud over anyone each day. But there is more to being a good finisher, I mean variety is very important hence why some would say Raul was the best.. it’s a hard one really. But I’ve made a thread about it. Let’s see what people think.
Yeah I think this is fair. I'd love to imagine RVN in a better team, the number of chances he'd get at City - he would have scored an absolute glut.
Also wonder if Aguero could have been as effective playing in the early 00s. Not a lot of 'tiny' centre forwards back then, I think he would have been bullied. Owen was alright because he was lightening fast.
And so far Ruud has been in most lists. Certainly in more lists that Owen.
Truth is you've had a mare in this thread. You were also dishonest about the caf picking RVP over Ruud when the a clear majority of the posts in the thread below have it as Ruud>RVP.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rob...st-striker-we-have-ever-had-in-the-pl.454540/
You prefer RVP which is fine but don't try and pass off your opinion as the consensus when it clearly isn't.
If a player is scoring these many goals, it's never just finishing ability. His positioning, anticipation, physical game were all world class as well. Add to that we're talking of an era when defenders and goalkeepers were no nonsense players and we saw lesser goals in that era than the current one.So the best finisher is the best striker?
First for finishingJust call me the big man!!
On his finishing can’t say I agree. RVP had more variety in his finishes and was better with both feet.
How would you rate RVN compared to other premier strikers for finishing then? Top5?
If a player is scoring these many goals, it's never just finishing ability. His positioning, anticipation, physical game were all world class as well. Add to that we're talking of an era when defenders and goalkeepers were no nonsense players and we saw lesser goals in that era than the current one.
First for finishing
That wasnt the question asked thoughTorres, Fowler, Bergkamp, Drogba, Rooney, Tevez also have shouts in that list too.
Purely on finishing RVN perhaps above some of them, but the complete package it has to be Henry
Id argue he wasI think we are getting carried away. He was a great goal scorer but he was by no means the best finisher people have ever seen.
Id argue he was
So RVN is a better finisher to you than Trezeguet, R9, Raul, Crespo just time make a few?
Which bit isn't true? Goals scored- On an average, we saw 986.4 goals scored every season from 2001/02 to 2005/06. The number increased to 1043.8 in time period 2010/11-2014/15. The number has remained constant at this mark in the latest 5 seasons as well (1040.8 (extrapolating goals/game ration this season)That all sounds good but it’s not particularly true is it? Messi and Ronaldo are the only ones changing the game by numbers. Strikers are still doing what they do in fact you can argue they don’t make Ruud’s anymore. I can only think of Kane.
Aguero
Shearer
Owen
Henry
Suarez
Could you imagine how many goals he'd be scoring in this team with pogba and bruno, or that man city team?
He would be setting records all over the place
Well he played with Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Veron, Rooney, & Ronaldo to name just a few. He didn’t do it on his own.
defenses are worse now though. His movement and ability to find space would leave the current defenders clueless.Well he played with Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Veron, Rooney, & Ronaldo to name just a few. He didn’t do it on his own.
Thats not what you asked, you asked the pl. Stop moving the goalpostsSo RVN is a better finisher to you than Trezeguet, R9, Raul, Crespo just time make a few?
Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Richardson, Fortune, and Bellion as well.
