Bar Fortune they barely played a dozen games for Utd and then they mostly played in the league cup and games without Ruud.
It's like excusing Martial's weaknesses by saying he always plays with Chong
Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Richardson, Fortune, and Bellion as well.
They all played at various times during Ruud's stint at United. Also, Becks was only there for a couple of years before getting shipped out, Keane was past his prime during much of Ruud's time, Veron was only here briefly, and Rooney/Ronaldo we still very young and not as productive as they eventually would become.
Fair to say Ruud was here during a time of one of Fergie's weakest squads and wouldn't been even more dominant if he was with us in the late 90s or late 00s.
You can only imagine the numbers he'd post at City in the last few years given the amount of square balls and pull backs they play into the 6-10 yard area, not to mention threaded balls between full back and centre back.defenses are worse now though. His movement and ability to find space would leave the current defenders clueless.
Hed be the best striker in the league.
Thats not what you asked, you asked the pl. Stop moving the goalposts
It's a common misconception about Beckham & Ruud. Sure Becks laid on some lovely crossed for him but Giggs was a more potent supplier for the Dutchman. Watch his goals video, he had a lovely combination going with Giggs.Agreed with Beckham and Veron and I would say Giggs was not at his best during Ruud's time either .
Add to Chelsea becoming a power and we were playing catch up .
Though I would argue Ruud had one advantage in playing in a team built around him with him as their main goal scoring option sometimes to the detriment of supporting strikers.
It's just a strange one with Ruud and I will always feel with him and how we played with him we were predictable and rarely had another option if he didn't score and opponents knew that .
Round 2: Sneijder says Van Nistelrooy better than Ibrahimovic.
Round 2: Sneijder says Van Nistelrooy better than Ibrahimovic.
So RVN is a better finisher to you than Trezeguet, R9, Raul, Crespo just time make a few?
Absolutely loved Ruud.But in the end,SAF got it right yet again...While Ruud was a great striker,the team was lacking in pace and fluidity whenever he played.We became electrifying after he left....But I will always have a special place for Ruud in my heart...Great striker. Really adored him! Shame the way it ended.
Yes
You are having a Mare here
Not really. There are Liverpool fans all over England who think Gerrard is the best midfielder ever to grace the Prem...
Some people just don’t realise when bias blocks there common sense. I mean you actually think he was a better finisher than those names mentioned. No one in world football but United fans think this.
Tbf I didn’t take note of what you was originally commenting on I was just referring to the best ever comment. So apologies.
But even then like I’ve said before there’s many above him and those names I mentioned are a couple which wasn’t even in our league or the best strikers in their league. Ruud might be touch and go the best striker but he was never the best finisher.
The guy who played for a lot of teams (Milan, Juve, Inter included), doesn't speak french after some years spent at PSG (sh%t on them) and become invisible during important games since he was at Ajax? Ruud was more than that. He was world class for sure.Ruud was better finisher but Zlatan is a much more complete player.
Round 2: Sneijder says Van Nistelrooy better than Ibrahimovic.
Did you watch Van Nistelrooy at all?
He was one of the best finishers there has been.
Look at the champions league top scorers of all time. (and di Stefano is in there, so this is "European cup" rather than just the rebranded champions league.)
5th.
Look at the top ratios of goals per games 6th
The players above him are all time greats, who played for super dominant teams.
RVN played for us when we were in between our dominant spells.
Welcome to my world.
I wonder what I'm reading at times.
The other week someone said Cole was as good as RVN.
I loved Cole, but RVN came in and blew his goal record here to oblivion.
And in a weaker team, and usually playing solo.
Crespo - Never scored 30 goals across all competitions in his career. Scored 25+ goals in a season just thrice
Trezeguet - Scored 25 goals or more in a season just twice. Scored 30+ goals in a season just once
Raul- 1 30+ season in his career, scored 25 or more goals in a season 6 times. At the end of his career, his goals/appearance ratio was 0.43
RVN - 6 seasons where he scored 30 or more goals
Wouldn't argue R9 case because I'm certain the argument would go to who the better player was and it's a no contest there (in finishing terms, RVN has more than a decent claim here)
Did you watch Van Nistelrooy at all?
He was one of the best finishers there has been.
Look at the champions league top scorers of all time. (and di Stefano is in there, so this is "European cup" rather than just the rebranded champions league.)
5th.
Look at the top ratios of goals per games 6th
The players above him are all time greats, who played for super dominant teams.
RVN played for us when we were in between our dominant spells.
What’s that got to do with his finishing? I’ll repeat he was a world class striker.
On the RvP comparison - I would normally attribute this sort of thing to a younger, post-Ruud generation of fans who grew up post 2006ish and saw RvP's evolution at Arsenal then United. But its just bizarre that anyone who saw both of them during their respective primes would not think Ruud was the more clinical goal king.
I've no idea why I'm still arguing. Forget itI didn’t question who was the best striker. I said who was the best finisher. RVN was one of the best strikers of all time. Would I make my son watch him in terms of how to be a good finisher? Not really.. maybe his penalty technique which was the best.. but your ignoring my argument. I’m talking about finishing.
All them stats show is how great those guys were as strikers. Two of them played in Italy which was a harder league to score in, we both know this.
I've no idea why I'm still arguing. Forget it
The guy who played for a lot of teams (Milan, Juve, Inter included), doesn't speak french after some years spent at PSG (sh%t on them) and become invisible during important games since he was at Ajax? Ruud was more than that. He was world class for sure.
You've said earlier on in this thread that Michael Owen was a better finisher than Ruud. I think nobody should take you seriously after this. It shows you haven't got a clue what your talking about.I didn’t question who was the best striker. I said who was the best finisher. RVN was one of the best strikers of all time. Would I make my son watch him in terms of how to be a good finisher? Not really.. maybe his penalty technique which was the best.. but your ignoring my argument. I’m talking about finishing.
All them stats show is how great those guys were as strikers. Two of them played in Italy which was a harder league to score in, we both know this.
No offense, but you're simply wrong. Ruud is demonstrably a better finisher than all of those you mention except R9, who you can't really judge because his game wasn't about finishing, and he was the best player in the world. I'll give you him.Some people just don’t realise when bias blocks there common sense. I mean you actually think he was a better finisher than those names mentioned. No one in world football but United fans think this.
No offense, but you're simply wrong. Ruud is demonstrably a better finisher than all of those you mention except R9, who you can't really judge because his game wasn't about finishing, and he was the best player in the world. I'll give you him.
But Ruud's output is factually better than Crespo, Trezeguet and Raul. Miles better.
Raul's best ever season with Real - when they had a team of absolute wonder, he scored 32 goals. Ruud went to Madrid after burning out at United towards the twilight of his career, and scored 33.
Your son wont be a good finisher f you avoid showing him players like ruudI didn’t question who was the best striker. I said who was the best finisher. RVN was one of the best strikers of all time. Would I make my son watch him in terms of how to be a good finisher? Not really.. maybe his penalty technique which was the best.. but your ignoring my argument. I’m talking about finishing.
All them stats show is how great those guys were as strikers. Two of them played in Italy which was a harder league to score in, we both know this.
Not sure if serious.Raul is better than Ruud in every way . I would only put C Ronaldo above Raul in terms of Real's greatest forward over the last 30 years and even then it is debatable
Yeah quality player at Blackburn and a hell of a shot. But Michael Owen was bloody lethal and could score any type of goal. He didn’t just rely on power like our Alan.
Everything else you’ve said I agree with.
No offense, but you're simply wrong. Ruud is demonstrably a better finisher than all of those you mention except R9, who you can't really judge because his game wasn't about finishing, and he was the best player in the world. I'll give you him.
But Ruud's output is factually better than Crespo, Trezeguet and Raul. Miles better.
Raul's best ever season with Real - when they had a team of absolute wonder, he scored 32 goals. Ruud went to Madrid after burning out at United towards the twilight of his career, and scored 33.
Not sure if serious.
Again, is your point that extremely biased Madristas believe Raul to be their greatest striker? If so, cool, that's fine. I was quite a big Welbeck fan for a while there.Go ask Real Madrid fans who was the better striker between Raul and Ruud ?