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Ruud van Nistelrooy | Has left United
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As much as I love him, if he has aspirations for being a manager I think now is his chance to seek one. The whole football world would have seen how he has acted and managed this past week. Nothing short of exemplary. He will get offers either in the Championship or abroad this season. His stock is high and he should make use of it.
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He did a decent job steadying the ship, 2 wins and a draw, but tonight he could have been balder and played an extra attacking player instead of both Casemiro and Ugarte, especially against a weak team like PAOK. He could have played Eriksen, Mount or Zirzkee. He seems popular with the players, but it maybe a good idea to move him on and break any links with the previous coaching regime and get the players to fully embrace the new manager and his coaching staff and system.
I know Pep is one of the best, but that’s not reason why.
Hope he is kept in the coaching team, he comes across really well and must be a positive influence
A much needed win in Europe and a draw against Chelsea that could easily have been a win (That under ETH I am almost sure would have been a beating to us). He has been as good as we could have hoped for in my opinion. A win against Leicester to keep the points ticking up and the momentum slowly turning and I think we're in as good a place as we could be for Amorim to come in.
Absolute class act, could listen to him speak for a long time. Just soothing.
EtH made me nervous. Could barely watch his interviews and pc
Beat Leicester again and it's almost perfect job from Ruud as interim. Nice little period of managing United that could land him another job soon.
He has carried himself really well since being here, and under ETH it was a breath of fresh air to see his personality shining whilst ETH was looking glum and uninspiring all the time.
That being said, I don't want us to make mistakes and force him into a role if he's not needed. I'm not sure how other clubs do it, but when a new manager is appointed, do they often choose all their staff? Whatever is the best approach, I hope we take it.
I feel like Ruud would almost be wasted a bit in some back stage role, but if the club and Amorim want him then that's great. But I think he'd go elsewhere and do a good job, maybe build himself up to being in the frame for the United job or something big in the future.
That being said, I don't want us to make mistakes and force him into a role if he's not needed. I'm not sure how other clubs do it, but when a new manager is appointed, do they often choose all their staff? Whatever is the best approach, I hope we take it.
I feel like Ruud would almost be wasted a bit in some back stage role, but if the club and Amorim want him then that's great. But I think he'd go elsewhere and do a good job, maybe build himself up to being in the frame for the United job or something big in the future.
He's done about as well as you could have realistically hoped for given he was left a squad that was completely stripped of confidence. Carried himself perfectly.
Most who had followed him at PSV said he wasn't an amazing head coach even at that level so I didn't expect miracles but he's got 2 wins and didn't get embarrassed against Chelsea.
A win against Leicester and with players returning from injury, Ugarte introduced to the side a bit more and Amad firing then we finally can go into an international break with a bit of excitement with Amorim to come.
Most who had followed him at PSV said he wasn't an amazing head coach even at that level so I didn't expect miracles but he's got 2 wins and didn't get embarrassed against Chelsea.
A win against Leicester and with players returning from injury, Ugarte introduced to the side a bit more and Amad firing then we finally can go into an international break with a bit of excitement with Amorim to come.
Because Amorin needs to get up to speed quicker than that so somebody needs to give them a clue as to the characters and attributes of the players. Van Nistelrooy is not tainted in the way the rest are, he's only been there a few months.
Have you seen how we have played since ETH left? He’s basically still selecting the team and our approach.
Doubt Eriksen was fit enough to risk starting and you can't play Mount or Zirkzee instead of a second midfielder. That's exactly the sort of insane thing ETH would do and then we'd have had about 20 shots against us and 50 dangerous counter attacks.
He's done pretty well. Can't really judge him on the tactics or style of play when he's known he doesn't have long enough to implement anything drastically different...but he has said all the right things and made the right changes, etc. Can at least recognise when the team isn't doing things correctly and when it is, which seemed to be increasingly lost on ETH.
If he gets a win against Leicester its gone about as well as anyone could have hoped.
Even the Chelsea game really wasn't that bad in spite of Neville's constant doom mongering. It was a poor game that we probably should have won. There's been nothing in the three games under RVN that in a different context where the team were doing well wouldn't be seen as routine. Albeit far from spectacular.
If he gets a win against Leicester its gone about as well as anyone could have hoped.
Even the Chelsea game really wasn't that bad in spite of Neville's constant doom mongering. It was a poor game that we probably should have won. There's been nothing in the three games under RVN that in a different context where the team were doing well wouldn't be seen as routine. Albeit far from spectacular.
It was nice to hear Ruud come out and say we were poor in the first half.
The last year or so under ETH he seemed to be completely delusional and would claim we played well or were unlucky even after the most awful performances. To have the manager come out and say the first half was rubbish was refreshing in its honesty.
Now I don't think the 2nd half was much better to be honest but at least we won and if we can scrape a win on Sunday Ruud should be happy and proud with his interim period in charge.
The last year or so under ETH he seemed to be completely delusional and would claim we played well or were unlucky even after the most awful performances. To have the manager come out and say the first half was rubbish was refreshing in its honesty.
Now I don't think the 2nd half was much better to be honest but at least we won and if we can scrape a win on Sunday Ruud should be happy and proud with his interim period in charge.
I don't think Ten Hag was delusional, he was just very wary of saying the wrong thing in the press after the Sancho situation. He basically never directly criticised the team or individual players in interviews after that, unless it was a while later from a position of strength.
He said after the cup final that we were shit (in those words
) in a previous game (maybe Palace away). Obviously he wasn't saying that at the time.I don't think Ten Hag was delusional, he was just very wary of saying the wrong thing in the press after the Sancho situation. He basically never directly criticised the team or individual players in interviews after that, unless it was a while later from a position of strength.
He said after the cup final that we were shit (in those words
I understand him not picking out individual players to criticise because I don't think that ever works, but it was very frustrating to watch us put in 90 minutes of incompetent shit week in and week out and then ETH would come out and say he was pleased with our performance. Maybe it helped him keep the players on board but I don't think it helped him with the fans or helped in terms of future performances or results.
It's shit to listen to as a fan, but I think you just have to see the manager's dealings with the press as an obligation where he's just going to say what he thinks he needs to in order to keep the players onside, because 90% of what's said will probably just be that, even if it's clearly complete bollocks. It was nice to hear Ralf being honest in the press, but he lost buy-in from the players probably before he'd even managed a game.
Man management is one of the few things Ten Hag actually did quite well. I don't think he ever lost the dressing room, and that's probably why we look pretty much the same now and there's no "handbrake off" or "prove the last manager wrong" type bounce under Ruud like there was under Ole when Mourinho went. The coaching, tactics, in-game management etc were obviously a different matter and hopefully we get something worlds away under Amorim whether he talks bollocks in the post-match pressers or not.
He said he wants to manage us one day.
I don’t think Amorem should keep him. Too much noise and trouble for not enough benefit.
I don’t think Amorem should keep him. Too much noise and trouble for not enough benefit.
Ruud is too big a personality to keep around. He’s got more pull with the fanbase and will almost certainly invite chatter of dual authorities.
Amorim needs to be alone and the only seen top dog. No one but his team can be present when he tries to create his own culture. For the love of all that’s good I hope Ruud goes. Thanks for these few games, but on your bike.
Amorim needs to be alone and the only seen top dog. No one but his team can be present when he tries to create his own culture. For the love of all that’s good I hope Ruud goes. Thanks for these few games, but on your bike.
Yeah completely agree with this.
He never lost the dressing room, they never stopped trying for ETH. They were just being badly coached and/or they just might not be very good. I think Ruud is doing about as well as we could have hoped, performances haven't been much better but the results have been decent.
I love the job Ruud done for us under difficult circumstances, but whatever Ruben believes is best for the club is good enough for me.
Yeah I don't think you can really declare your ambitions for the top job and expect to stick around as part of the next manager's backroom team. The dynamics are too complicated if you know one of your staff is gunning for your job longer term, particularly as Ruud isn't one of Amorim's 'guys'.
Van Nistelrooy has done okay in the interim role but if he really wants to manage at a top level, he has to go and be the number one somewhere else. There's no real use in sticking around here in a lesser capacity.
Agree, as much as I want Ruud to stay I think that's a problem. From the quote I read (may have been cut badly) but it indicated he took a 2 year contract with that in mind
Its unfair cos he was asked a question which he can't really say no to but could have answered better
It's not good for Amorim to have an assistant who is probably wanting him to fail/leave so he can take over
For me, its tactical as well. They asked him if we've created enough chances for Hojlund and Zirkzee. He said that we have, that the conversion was the issue. Looking at pure numbers, that might seem like the case, but those chances have not been created for Hojlund or Zirkzee. Instead Garnacho and Rashford having been spamming shots and making consistently wrong decisions.
This was my number one criticism of Ten Hag. His system didn't seem to cater to strikers, consistently leaving them isolated.
Absolutely love Ruud, but this the correct answer. Mourinho wanted Giggs out back in 2016 right? It's the right call.
He needs to go. The world we need won't be built by men loyal to the world we have.
Should be up to Amorim not Ruud, the players, fans. If anything the fact that players are pushing for him to stay is making me think he’s best off gone. Have a new slate, don’t give the players someone they can undermine Amorim with. Imagine if Amorim starts making the decisions the players don’t like and the players start going to Ruud.
Like Ruud. But we don’t owe him nothing. Just like he admitted he had a “Real Madrid” exit clause in his United Contact 20 years ago. United shouldn’t hesitate to get rid of him for something better.
Like Ruud. But we don’t owe him nothing. Just like he admitted he had a “Real Madrid” exit clause in his United Contact 20 years ago. United shouldn’t hesitate to get rid of him for something better.
I see what you did there
We should also replace alle the fans we have with people completely untainted by the former reigns.
Would love for him to stay in some capacity but we can't undermine Anorim by forcing him on him.
agreed. he needs to use ruud as a warning to the rest of the players. first day in the carrington canteen, he needs to walk up to ruud and slap his lunch tray out of his hands and then say “sorry, were you eating that? you better get another.” and then when ruud goes and gets one, he does it again. he needs to humiliate him and then sack him. rashford will then start to think it might be his tray next if he doesn’t buck his ideas up.
I think it's very likely that Ruud will be offered a job to manage somewhere else sooner rather than later. So I don't believe he'll pose any threat for Amorim anyway. Him wanting the job long term won't make any difference. Pretty sure all assistant managers would love manage on their own someday. If I were Amorim I'd keep him for the rest of the season and part ways in the summer.
It’s kind of already started. Players have started saying they want him to stay. Also I found Ruud’s presser a while back a bit selfish. He went on about coming to serve and being an assistant etc all great superficially, but then the emphasis he placed on having 18 months left on his contract was self serving and ruined it.
Imo a man who was genuinely just looking to serve the club would have left out the part about having 18 months left on his contract and said “it’s entirely up to the next manager and I’ll respect whatever he decides”
Agree with the sentiment that he’s too big a personality to keep around sadly but I do hope we find a fair solution.
Maybe he can be our Hiddink?
Maybe he can be our Hiddink?
Loved Ruud as a player but after the whole Ronaldo situation I felt he was selfish and egotistical.
Got to admit since he has come back he was won me around. Always speaks positively about the club and seems genuinely happy to be managing here. Would love him to stay but also understand why he may leave.
Got to admit since he has come back he was won me around. Always speaks positively about the club and seems genuinely happy to be managing here. Would love him to stay but also understand why he may leave.
If it wasnt for who we've brought in, I'd be desperate for him to take over. He's very good. But too good to be hanging around like a shadow if things go wrong. Hopefully one day he's back.
You're probably right. I'm more than pleased with the job he's done over these 2 weeks (and hopefully another 3 points this weekend)...but Amorim needs to be allowed to have full reign and not worry about chatter that it should've been RVN. I think he's done enough to prove that he can go manage a team. Let him go do that and, if things play out some time down the road, he can easily be welcomed back.
Cant we make him manager of the U21's for the rest of the season or something rather than letting him go a few months in to a 2 year contract?
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