Having Ruud continuing will be having someone who us pinning for your job as part of your coaching staff. I don't think it'll work. A company man like Fletcher is enough for whatever transition is needed.
Ruud van Nistelrooy | Has left United
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Wouldn't be surprised if it was coming from Ruud's camp. Let's be real here, he may be potentially out of a job soon.
If I had certain contacts within the media and had a good agency, I know I would take this direction. Big up Your reputation and the work you're doing at your current employees.
I do enjoy it though when fans always only think it's the players (those evil Footballers) who go through the media.
They all do it for thier own gain when the situation calls for it.
If I had certain contacts within the media and had a good agency, I know I would take this direction. Big up Your reputation and the work you're doing at your current employees.
I do enjoy it though when fans always only think it's the players (those evil Footballers) who go through the media.
They all do it for thier own gain when the situation calls for it.
I don't think its sensible for him to stay on. Really like him, feel a tinge of sadness he only really got this little bit of time, but we're not a charity.
Even if you forget about Fergie, and just focus on Ruud, its all about taking a risk if you have nothing to lose
Ruud had nothing to lose. If he lost 2-1 it doesnt affect his ability to stay or not, or any future prospects as manager. That isnt decided by a one goal swing.
Thats why i was surprised by the lack of risk
Doesn’t matter if a loss doesn’t affect him - it still affects the team and the club, and as interim he is responsible for the team and the club.
And again, tactically speaking, ceding control of the midfield against Chelsea in the last 20 minutes is not an effective way to try and win the game. You might think you came up with some genius tactical plan to win the match, but I just don’t agree that it is, which I why I don’t think any reasonable manager would have done what you’re saying they should have.
These players definitely deserve slagging off. What’s the problem?
Why do you keep saying ceding control of midfield? We finished with having Lindelof next to Casemiro, which is not better than having Bruno and Casemiro deeper in terms of controlling a game / protecting defence.
And why the hyperbole 'genius tactical plan' I gave an option based on the fact that it was said our subs restricted us. It clearly didnt.
You can disagree all you want, but going for a win at home for United is so much better than trying not to lose because youre afraid of the opposition. Any ambitious manager would try to go for a win.
Because I don’t think they do, they’ve spent the past 18 months running round in shithouse tactics without a clue as to what’s happening, are you suggesting the effort wasn’t there? Maybe Rashford can be called out for being lazy at times but the rest? They may not be very good (I believe better than has been shown, again thanks to Erik and his shenanigans) but you can’t for me question their effort levels.
I don’t think keeping him around is a good idea. Keeping someone around who filled in as manager before, who you know would probably love to be the manager full time, isn’t a good person to have around the coaching team coming into a new job.
No real need to bin him off the second Amorim turns up, but a departure at the end of the year (so 2 months) after seeing a mini handover period would probably be best for United.
They don't have power over Ruud's future anyway, but surely the team's opinion dies count for something? Or do caftards now believe footballers should grin and bear any staff member good or bad?
I think they should graft and do their jobs whoever gets employed.
I don’t get to choose my manager at work, they shouldn’t either.
They should trust the club to employ the right man for the job.
Bruno next to a tired Casemiro is absolutely worse at protecting a defence than having a more defensive minded player sitting behind Case, plus the latter frees Bruno to roam and create and get further upfield, as well as relieving the defensive pressure off Casemiro who was one of our most incisive passers.
And again, I’m not saying we shouldn’t have gone for the win. No idea why you keep implying that. I am specifically arguing that dropping Bruno back to play alongside a tired Casemiro is not a tactically effective way of going for the win.
Again, youre getting hung up on the specific example I gave, (which again was an example)
The point was 'like for like' subs, which changes nothing was disappointing to me, whereas I would have liked Ruud to go for it a bit more or change it up (and risk losing for the reward of winning).
The players need to give him a big win on Thursday
I’m not getting hung up on anything. I just think the example you gave was tactically naive, and so I pointed that out.
I'd like to see him stay for a few months to do a handover to Amorin. Otherwise the new manager is coming in very cold and with very little knowledge of the players.
Whether he stays long term is less certain. The thought of a brilliant striker coaching the next generation is nice, but how does he cope on the training pitch when he watches Rashford scuff another shot he could probably still bury at 50 years old.
Whether he stays long term is less certain. The thought of a brilliant striker coaching the next generation is nice, but how does he cope on the training pitch when he watches Rashford scuff another shot he could probably still bury at 50 years old.
Yes cos it an example to highlight the bigger point of doing something "different".
You've clearly missed the point as you're focusing on specifics rather than the point I was making. That's fine though, cos you seem more content with the draw than trying to risk a loss to get a win.
Come on, Ruud has been here all of 5 minutes himself.
Good press conference from him today.
You were the one that suggested something specific, so I specifically responded to the specific example you decided to give. If you don’t actually want to engage in a discussion about specific tactical adjustments, then perhaps don’t suggest them.
And once again, no, I am not content with settling for a draw. I just think the tactical adjustment you suggested is tactically naive and would not have made us more likely to win.
I have repeated that over and over again and so it’s disingenuous and dishonest of you to keep stating I’m more content with a draw, when I’ve explicitly and repeatedly stated that’s not what I’m saying.
Yes. as an example. Why is that so hard to comprehend? The point (which again youre missing) is about him doing something different / taking a risk (and my proposed changes were only pushed on by me when it was mentioned the sub bench was scraped together otherwise Id sit here and list out every single adjustment that was possible).
The point (which ill once again re-iterate) was that I was disappointed that Ruud basically did like for like changes, and didnt try anything different to try and go for the win. I refuse to believe he was limited to what he did, but we will not agree anyway.
Ruben should leave him on read.
Glad he isn't staying for long. Better at motivating the players, it seems, but not much else. Also refuses to play any youth player.
Besides the fact that I love Ruud for the 150 times he scored for us, we have not seen anything to warrant him remaining at Man Utd after next Monday.
The only real change he's made to Ten Hag ball is to add two physical midfielders to the set up. Even then we're lucky that PAOK fella messed up Taison's through ball.
The only real change he's made to Ten Hag ball is to add two physical midfielders to the set up. Even then we're lucky that PAOK fella messed up Taison's through ball.
Doing what he needs too, but I want him to be a striker coach once Amorin is in.
I love this man.
The TNT lot are in love with Ruud 
He speaks very well and Scholes and co are right, he has a good presence about him. Suits being a manager and no doubt he'll have offers after this
I really like listening to him speak, definitely has something.
West Ham may come calling
It's his 3rd game in charge. Will you show similar patience when Amorim starts?
As much as I love Ruud, he was a fav of mine in those 5 years at Utd when the team was full of stars, I think he should just go and seek a managerial position elsewhere. Much as I dispise the club, there may be a job becoming available at West H which could be ideal.
To force Ruud on Amorim for continuity sake is not what we should be thinking.
To force Ruud on Amorim for continuity sake is not what we should be thinking.
He is very well spoken. I still recommend the interview he did with Neville on The Overlap. That showed me there is a lot of brain capacity there.
3 games and no defeats. That's a good run of form for a modern Man United manager.
I doubt its a case of "forcing." He's a very good coach who knows the club and its supporters. He could be a major asset to his coaching setup. Its not like he's Mike Phelan and you have to keep him around for the lols.
That’s one of the primary benefits by letting a whole new coaching team get to grips with this squad. Why would you want the preconceptions of a failed team to taint fresh ideas?
It’s not hard to comprehend. It’s so easy to comprehend I replied with specifics to your example. Why is it so hard for you to understand that if you post a specific example, someone might reply to it?
Think he's proved over the last three games that keeping ten Hag for as long as we did was a huge mistake.
You’ve outdone yourself… classic
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