Ruud van Nistelrooy has joined United's coaching staff
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TBH I’m probably the only person on Earth who’s never seen Game of Thrones
….but like the thought of Ruud taking Ten Hags job.TBH I’m probably the only person on Earth who’s never seen Game of Thrones
I also have never seen it!
Ditto
Cole’s stats are indeed amazing. He scored a LOT of goals, but I think what bugs me about how he is viewed is that people think (a) he needed lots of chances to bag a single goal, and (b) he was just a poacher. Hoddle really did a number of his reputation when he publicly said Cole needed five chances to out away a single goal. It was an outrageous comment to make at the time, but with time has been proven not just to be outrageous, but also stupid.
Firstly, as you said, he has way less penalties than Shearer. Shearer scored 56 penalties in his 260 PL total, Andy Cole? 1. Yes, one. So his goal to game ratio is actually better than Shearer’s. His chance conversion rate is also better than Shearer’s. So Hoddle was an absolute fecking idiot to make that comment, and what’s sad is that it’s a slur that stuck to him like glue. Never more so than when he first signed for United and had a few jitters and missed some big chances. People took Hoddle’s comment, and that tiny sample size and said “blah, he’s just a poacher, he might score goals but he misses so many more.” Bollocks.
Secondly, and this is something you never hear people talk about….only Giggs, De Bruyne, Fabregas, Rooney, Bergkamp, Lampard, David Silva, Gerrard, Milner, Beckham, Sheringham, Eriksen, and Thierry Henry have more assists in the Premier League era (73), than Andy Cole. And with 127 career assists, he sits even higher up that list when you take all competitions into account. In around 2010, only Giggs and Bergkamp had amassed more career assists in England than Andy Cole. I imagine one or two more have since then, but it can’t be much more than one or two.
This just shows what a fantastic player he was. No one racks up that many goals from open play (second most in PL history), and that many assist, without being a brilliant player. It’s really worth watching one of his highlight videos to see the variety of his finishes and how lethal he was
Me too
Love Ruud, absolutely love him.
I highly doubt it. But let's phrase it like this (also as a comment on @Castia above stating merely the same): it shouldn't be. Succes nowadays isn't determined/achieved by just winning. Winning can be incidental. What's more important is creating a foundation to fall back on. It creates continuity in the process of achieving succes as well as a safety net when succes isn't achieved. Concepts like a clear philosophy implemented through your whole club (etc.) are examples of that.
To be honest, that's the main difference between clubs like Liverpool/City and Man Utd at the moment. Ruud doesn't fit in that picture. He is not tactically developped in a modern way with lacking clear philosophies and ideas as an head coach to identify with and build on as an organization.
He isn't ready for the job and a lot of people have serious doubts he will ever be. Tactics are nowadays more important and complex than ever and that part lacks Ruud the most. However, he has strong sides too. He is motivator, a gentlemen, a great endorsement and his experiences as an ex-prof have benefits in developing players. For example, Xavi Simons was a player who was satisfied with Ruud's capabilities as a mentor for young players. Living for the sport, how to get better, to find and exploite the small margins of success on the highest level. I think someone like Rashford could benefit from the presence of Ruud. Most people, just like me, think he is better in a role at the front office, a specialist trainer or in this case as an assistant trainer instead of being the head coach.
But yeah, we are all a bit surprised that United considers him as an assistant coach. Although I have to admit, everyone loves Ruud (you just can't hate the man). It is a huge but also a very cool step to make. And learning form Erik ten Hag, who i consider as a good coach based on his Ajax period, doesn't seems to be a bad thing for his development.
Ruud an assistant to the regional manager
The only thing I have got against him is giving weekly interviews to that thumbnail bait channel
Thanks for that
I agree with you regarding it’s not about success and winning only nowadays but that’s only if you play in top level.
We’re talking about Burnley. Their main goal now isn’t just implementing playing style, their main goal is to get promotion. To do so is about getting a result even if it’s ugly.
At the end of the day Ruud himself said that he wasn’t ready and only stepped in as a favour to PSV. This will be part of his learning, something that he considers a challenge in its own right
Watching old Ruud clips
Such a perfect man
Such a perfect man
Legend.
TBH I’m probably the only person on Earth who’s never seen Game of Thrones
Same.
Ruud is my favourite player and I quite often watch old clips of him. I enjoy hearing him speak as well and he knows his stuff. He’d be a great addition for our strikers, for our team as a whole and it’ll be great to have him around the club doing interviews etc.,
Thanks. If you’re right, I don’t find any particular reason to distrust your analysis, there are a few hypotheses available as to why United have contacted him for a role.
1) The New Guys (Rats/Blanc/Brails/Wilc*x/Asswort/Berra/etc) wants him as the next manager, undermining Ten Hag in a deft move, and are completely oblivious to the fact that anyone working with him for a while would laugh at the idea of him replacing anyone in such a job. They lay their deft plans on the bases of a bit of charisma and a bit of niceness.
2. Ten Hag wants him, anyone really, as long as they’re Dutch and not competent enough to challenge his autistic tactics. The New Guys, having spent sic months to evaluate Ten Hag and sounding out alternatives , have concluded that he not only shall have a new contract, he shall be given increased power and total reign over any decision in the club going forward.
3. The New Guys, having decided that from now on the football people (Wilc*x and Asswort (sshhh…)) should have a thorugh say on devisions oertaining to building a consistent way to do things regarding style of play, profile of coaches and players, and yet cooperate with Ten Hag on what staff and team lacks in order to improve. They have together (sssh) identified the need for someone who a) can understand the head coach and follow his lead when it comes to tasks and instructions, and is good at gaining trust with players, help them build their own carreers and capabilities based on Ten Hag’s ideas of what the team needs, being a mentir and specialist trainer rather than a head coach or evwn a tactical coach. Someone who can help getting players like Rashford up to their best and maybe prohibit new ‘Sancho-cases’ from developing? They have done their due diligence on Ruud and talked to their connections in Dutch football as well, and know that this is exactly what Ruud is good at. He is self aware and intwlligent, and knows this too, hence being more interested in a specialized role at a big club doing what he can, rather than a manager role lower in the system, doing what he’s not good at.
Other hypotheses, or do these cover it?
As far as I'm aware, EtH has yet to sign up
I do know the ins and outs for PSV, but I dont know them for Man Utd to be honest. Ruud wasn't the first/ideal option of the board at PSV either.
But back to United. Not sure if there were any problems in the staff? Let's face it. With Ruud you get a great endorsement. Someone the fans loves and someone who is known and has the respect within the organisation. That is worth a lot. Could be a move from INEOS to give Ten Hag more support? I mean, he has been treated like dog shit. Supporting him with an icon/influence within the club from someone like Ruud, could create a more stable environment.
Though I have to admit, football clubs make weird choices. It's nevertheless from a sentimental perspective a fun choice.
Interesting to see some reported it as Erik's assistant whilst more reliable ones said coaching staff
I’m interested to see if he replaces McClaren or something. When ETH first joined and McClaren joined, I assumed that McClaren would have been a temporary, almost transitional coach due to his huge experience with English football (since ETH and MVDG were not experienced in England) and then phase out after a year or two, since McClaren is 63 now, isn’t exactly the youngest and more than likely doesn’t need the money.
Yeah I wonder if it will be Erik, Van Der Gaag and then Ruud replaces McClaren on the bench
Good news imo. I’m basing it on very little but every time I hear Ruud talk about football he comes across as extremely knowledgeable.
Plus he was my favourite player when I started supporting the club. Magical times.
Plus he was my favourite player when I started supporting the club. Magical times.
I’m starting to think no with managers/coaches now. They employ their friends. Get there mates in. It’s not constructive enough.
When you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die
I get the point that the manager shouldn't be solely responsible for selecting his staff, that makes no sense
but the idea you'd get a coach in that the manager doesn't want is a bit crazy to me
you may as well just fire the coach right now than do that, in my view
We tried to get him (or RvP) as a coach when ten hag joined but he turned us down. Ten Hag reportedly wanted a coach who knew the club well to connect to the players. This is very likely an appointment that Ten Hag has pushed for.
He already has that in McLaren though?
The finish always gets me. Exceptional the way he shifts his body and moves his hips to just place it across the keeper and totally wrong-foots him.
Makes me happy to watch that, over and over again.
I remember I scored a goal similar to this, identical in regards to the finishing, while I was playing for my primary school football team.
The buzz I felt when someone shouted “Ruud” I’d one I’ll never forget.
They be Dutching over there
He turned to himafter being turned down by RvN (or RvP, again I forget which one it was. Think it was ruud). It was apparently key for Ten Hag to have someone who knew the club in the coaching staff, I remember reading about that at the time.
I think Van Nistelrooij is someone who is being brought in due to his status at the club and as the Dutch fans have said above, it'll probably be good to have him around the dressing room which may help the younger players. And for Van Nistelrooij it'll be a good learning curve because as far as developing himself as a head coach he didn't really impress at PSV from the games I watched.
I think the most interesting appointment as far as shaking things up from a coaching perspective is having Rene Hake on board. I think he's someone that has done the hard yards in difficult circumstances as a head coach, and has adapted his tactics to the teams at his disposal. I think the job he's done at Go Ahead Eagles is quite impressive considering they're a team that are normally tipped for relegation. So in the few years he's been at the club, he's made them punch above their weight and got them into into the Europa conference league qualifiers which is a big achievement for a team like Go Ahead Eagles. I think he's potentially a good fit as a assistant coach who has the knowledge and understanding of the game to provide a strong alternative opinion.
I think the most interesting appointment as far as shaking things up from a coaching perspective is having Rene Hake on board. I think he's someone that has done the hard yards in difficult circumstances as a head coach, and has adapted his tactics to the teams at his disposal. I think the job he's done at Go Ahead Eagles is quite impressive considering they're a team that are normally tipped for relegation. So in the few years he's been at the club, he's made them punch above their weight and got them into into the Europa conference league qualifiers which is a big achievement for a team like Go Ahead Eagles. I think he's potentially a good fit as a assistant coach who has the knowledge and understanding of the game to provide a strong alternative opinion.
I think a couple of fresh faces in the coaching set up is a good idea after the season we had.
Delighted that Ruud is on his way back as he was one of the players that made me fall in love with United.
Delighted that Ruud is on his way back as he was one of the players that made me fall in love with United.