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Don't Kill Bill said:
Airborn radar via the invention of the magnetron turned the war in the atlantic.

The magnetron was later described by American military scientists as "the most valuable cargo ever brought to our shores".
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I think it was the Sonar that changed the war in the Athlantic?
 
Demyanenko_square_jaw said:
These affected generations will never forgive most russians, but as someone with family from/in both countries, i would certainly hope that the future goes down a path where eternal enemy is something that can be avoided. Ideally Putin will fall and Russia will slowly democratize, hand over war criminals/punish those complicit at state level and pay massive reparations, setting the groundwork for an eventual relationship as Germany and their WW2 allies have with the rest of Europe today. of course it's far too early to talk about such things, and could easily end up much worse.
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Being from ex-Yugoslavia and being a mix between Serb and Bosnian, I had the same worries. New generations will see it differently but the one's that are living through this won't ever forgive I think.
 
Some PoV combat footage from an international legion unit, nothing sensitive here really.
 
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Raoul said:
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It is wild how incompetent the Germans seem to be at all of this. I know every country has its morons on the Russian payroll (Flynn, McGregor in the US), but the German intel chief was in Kyiv during the invasion and had to be extracted. I assume Vad is on the Kremlin payroll though.

I'm curious if the historic presence of a number of Russophilic German politicians (Schroeder and various other lower level people) has created an abnormally large blindspot for them when it comes to Russia.
 
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I am really surprised every time I read about "depleted stockpiles". First of all, it is hard to believe this, because the main US power is in the Air Force, and we have not used any Air Force weapons here. We have also not used any tanks or tank ammunition, because Ukraine's tanks are not compatible. And we have definitely not used any navy ammunition, and the US Navy has plenty of rockets and stockpiles. So, the "depleted stockpiles" can only refer to the artillery, which a very secondary weapon for the US, as far as I know.

The other thing is, why do the Americans need to have full stockpiles, if not for helping counter Russia? I mean, the reason we have stockpiles is exactly for what is happening now, right?

It reminds me of the earlier articles about Germany "worrying" about their stockpiles if they give any ammunition to Ukraine. What would Germany need their stockpiles for? It is not like Poland or China would invade Germany and they'd need their artillery ammunition, right?
 
frostbite said:
I am really surprised every time I read about "depleted stockpiles". First of all, it is hard to believe this, because the main US power is in the Air Force, and we have not used any Air Force weapons here. We have also not used any tanks or tank ammunition, because Ukraine's tanks are not compatible. And we have definitely not used any navy ammunition, and the US Navy has plenty of rockets and stockpiles. So, the "depleted stockpiles" can only refer to the artillery, which a very secondary weapon for the US, as far as I know.

The other thing is, why do the Americans need to have full stockpiles, if not for helping counter Russia? I mean, the reason we have stockpiles is exactly for what is happening now, right?

It reminds me of the earlier articles about Germany "worrying" about their stockpiles if they give any ammunition to Ukraine. What would Germany need their stockpiles for? It is not like Poland or China would invade Germany and they'd need their artillery ammunition, right?
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Agree, it sounds very nonsensical to me. Add to your reasoning that all of the US arms industry is privately owned... They will be chomping at the bit to produce and sell ammunition to the government as and when they decide to 'replenish' stocks.

Just the usual media dribble.
 
frostbite said:
I am really surprised every time I read about "depleted stockpiles". First of all, it is hard to believe this, because the main US power is in the Air Force, and we have not used any Air Force weapons here. We have also not used any tanks or tank ammunition, because Ukraine's tanks are not compatible. And we have definitely not used any navy ammunition, and the US Navy has plenty of rockets and stockpiles. So, the "depleted stockpiles" can only refer to the artillery, which a very secondary weapon for the US, as far as I know.

The other thing is, why do the Americans need to have full stockpiles, if not for helping counter Russia? I mean, the reason we have stockpiles is exactly for what is happening now, right?

It reminds me of the earlier articles about Germany "worrying" about their stockpiles if they give any ammunition to Ukraine. What would Germany need their stockpiles for? It is not like Poland or China would invade Germany and they'd need their artillery ammunition, right?
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Someone's looking for a budget boost next year most likely.
 
Simbo said:
Agree, it sounds very nonsensical to me. Add to your reasoning that all of the US arms industry is privately owned... They will be chomping at the bit to produce and sell ammunition to the government as and when they decide to 'replenish' stocks.

Just the usual media dribble.
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US ammunition production, especially for the ground forces is only a fraction of what it used to be during the cold war days and it takes a long time to build factories and new production lines while the ammunition is needed right now.

The 2 major problems from what I have read is 155mm shells and Stinger missiles.
The US production capacity for 155mm artillery shells is about 80,000 shells per year, that is the equivalent of what Ukraine uses in 2-3 weeks the rest will have had to come out of existing stockpiles.
Stinger missiles have only been produced at very limited amounts for nearly 20 years now (18 years since the last US contract) and according to the Raytheon CEO the company that produces them, some components used in the missiles are no longer available so they will have to be redesigned before they can ramp up production.
 
I deleted my earlier post about advances on the Kinburn Spit (part of peninsula west of Kherson) because I wasn’t sure about the source, but there’s more unconfirmed reports coming in about it so might as well share. That would mean they’re already across the water, so the vids with special forces/marines on boats might be legit and from that area.

 
Organic Potatoes said:
I deleted my earlier post about advances on the Kinburn Spit (part of peninsula west of Kherson) because I wasn’t sure about the source, but there’s more unconfirmed reports coming in about it so might as well share. That would mean they’re already across the water, so the vids with special forces/marines on boats might be legit and from that area.

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I guess Ukraine MoD pretty much confirms that some missions are happening in the area.
 
The Firestarter said:
I think it was the Sonar that changed the war in the Athlantic?
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U Boats spent longer on mission on the surface than underwater. The invention of airborne radar meant they were vulnerable to attack, detection and destruction on the long journeys out to their allotted stations.
 
I honestly cannot understand why anti-Putin activists go back to Russia, just to be jailed and tortured. What do they think they can achieve? Do they expect a revolution? Do they feel the need to prove they are not afraid of torture? Do they expect something to happen and they don't want to miss it? Are they just naive?

These are not rhetorical questions, I really cannot understand why they do it.

Prominent examples are Navalny and Kara-Murza.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63597097

When Vladimir Kara-Murza announced he was returning to Moscow earlier this year, his wife Evgenia knew the risk but did not try to stop him.

Russia had invaded Ukraine and made it a crime to call it a war. Thousands of protesters had been arrested. Vladimir himself was a sworn opponent of President Vladimir Putin and an outspoken critic of atrocities committed by his military.

Still, the opposition activist insisted on being in Russia.

Now he has been locked up and charged with treason and Evgenia has not been allowed to speak to him since April.

But in a series of letters to me from Detention Centre No. 5, Vladimir - who has twice been the victim of a mysterious poisoning - says he has no regrets, because the "price of silence is unacceptable".
 
Even Lenin remained in exile when he pulled the strings of the Russian Revolution that saw the downfall of the Romanovs in 1917. I don't think that doing stuff while in exile makes people think any less of an activist with genuine beef against the current regime.
 
The Firestarter said:
Probably a question for the military historians but what other weapons system has turned the tide on a conflict in such a way...save for the manhattan project which didn't turn the tide but sped up the inevitable, I think its the proximity fuze in the AA artillery during WW2. Overnight the Axis losses of aircraft increased by orders of magnitude. Also, the Stinger missile during the first Afghan War.
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effective high-altitude anti-air missiles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-75_Dvina#War_in_Vietnam:_Countermeasures_and_counter-countermeasures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_XB-70_Valkyrie#The_"missile_problem"
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
Even Lenin remained in exile when he pulled the strings of the Russian Revolution that saw the downfall of the Romanovs in 1917. I don't think that doing stuff while in exile makes people think any less of an activist with genuine beef against the current regime.
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this if off topic, but he was ineffective and kept out of his own party's working when he was in exile. he wrote and mailed editorials that the rest of the party leadership rejected and never published.

it was only after he smuggled himself back to russia that the bolsheviks changed their campaign totally, and decided to focus on a revolution to immediately end russian participation in the war, even if it meant defeat and loss of land.

but in any case, i don't know if this is relevant to the dissenters today.
 
The Firestarter said:
Probably a question for the military historians but what other weapons system has turned the tide on a conflict in such a way...save for the manhattan project which didn't turn the tide but sped up the inevitable, I think its the proximity fuze in the AA artillery during WW2. Overnight the Axis losses of aircraft increased by orders of magnitude. Also, the Stinger missile during the first Afghan War.
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The First tanks would be up there.
 
VorZakone said:
Western sources have picked up this story.

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Besides releasing a video showing them committing an actual war crime, there is a moratorium on the death penalty in Russia, not applicable for treason at any rate, requires a jury trial and must be carried out privately by shooting.

Wagner releasing this video just goes to show that the application of law is well and truly abolished in modern Russia.
 
The "negotiations" desperation and propaganda is really ramping up after Kherson, as expected.
 
Simbo said:
Some balls on this fella.
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The guy is a wonderful communicator. And there is a lesson to all politicians.
Don't try to be so clever and arrogant that you lose sight of who you are and why you are in the job.
You are there to serve and not the other way round.

It is difficult to think of another world leader who displays this important and endearing characteristic.
The vast majority are arrogant narcissistic bullies full of self worth and full of self importance
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
U Boats spent longer on mission on the surface than underwater. The invention of airborne radar meant they were vulnerable to attack, detection and destruction on the long journeys out to their allotted stations.
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I agree with that, but sonar was critical in defending the convoys when u boats would attack submerged .
 
VorZakone said:
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First frost is already expected to arrive this week and coupled with the relatively dry weather forecast provides now good conditions for any ground operations. Imo Ukrainian winter kit will be so much superior to average Russian one that they would be stupid not to leverage that to full extent once the proper winter hits the fan. The motivation amongst the Russian mobilized will be at an all time low during the winter as their first priority will be around basic survival.
 
dove said:
I guess Ukraine MoD pretty much confirms that some missions are happening in the area.
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There are constantly reports about Ukrainian special forces active on Kinburn peninsula, and about Russians firing artillery on them. As this is still ongoing it looks like Russia wasn't able to completely repel the attack, but I personally doubt that Ukraine will be able to get much attacking potential there to start a new offensive...

However just their presence means Russia has to make sure they still cover that area and can't move all their troops elsewhere.
 
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