Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[TwoSheds]

Fair. My previous exposure to "dirty" bombs was typically salted/tweaked nuclear bombs intended to release long-lasting radiation in addition to the nuclear explosion.

Yeah I guess maybe that's a thing too. Although a nuclear bomb would be pretty dirty whatever you do I think. And a normal dirty bomb would be a much less risky choice for the Russians than using a tactical nuke.

 

[Rajma]

I’ve said in the past but the idea of Ukraine getting their nuclear weapons back with long range capabilities should be normalized that would put an end to the Russian nuclear or similar blackmail.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

This is a good example of having to be careful even with mainstream sources. This does not represent a serious escalation as the 101st is not some uber-elite airborne division and the US would have already had troops in the region. But since the 101st has a lot of name recognition CBS runs with it to create headlines and quotes that are spread by clowns like Tracey.

 

[hellhunter]

Yeah I guess maybe that's a thing too. Although a nuclear bomb would be pretty dirty whatever you do I think. And a normal dirty bomb would be a much less risky choice for the Russians than using a tactical nuke.

Think the dirty part about the dirty nuclear bomb are cobalt salts (?), which result in very long lasting nuclear contamination due to a large half-life value. The resulting cobalt isotope also decays under heave gamma radiation emission

 

[The Firestarter]

Think the dirty part about the dirty nuclear bomb are cobalt salts (?), which result in very long lasting nuclear contamination due to a large half-life value

Powdered plutonium is not pleasant either, and so is cessium

 

[The Firestarter]

Yeah I guess maybe that's a thing too. Although a nuclear bomb would be pretty dirty whatever you do I think. And a normal dirty bomb would be a much less risky choice for the Russians than using a tactical nuke.

It depends what type of blast it is. If it is higher altitude it has bigger shockwave but not so much longer tern contamination effects. Exactly the opposite in a ground explosion where it picks up and activates the soil / ground below it which is then spread as a cloud

 

[Simbo]

Where exactly did they get this nuclear weapon???

So this is why Shoigu has been calling the American and British defense secretary/minister. It's worrying that it suggests Russia is considering actually using a nuke, I would assume in Kherson area.

They made it the same place they engineered the bio-weapon that uses birds to spread a virus that only infects Russians.

 

[stevoc]

Where exactly did they get this nuclear weapon???

So this is why Shoigu has been calling the American and British defense secretary/minister. It's worrying that it suggests Russia is considering actually using a nuke, I would assume in Kherson area.

So Ukraine are going to Nuke themselves (even though they have no Nukes) to turn the world against Russia?

Yeah because Russia are really popular internationally right now.

Even by the standards of Russian propaganda that ones dumb as feck.

 

[2cents]

So Ukraine are going to Nuke themselves (even though they have no Nukes) to turn the world against Russia?

Yeah because Russia are really popular internationally right now.

Even by the standards of Russian propaganda that ones dumb as feck.

They did this all the time in Syria, every few weeks they'd warn that Syrian rebels were planning a false flag chemical attack to frame Russia. Can only assume it's for domestic consumption as it has very little effect elsewhere, and obviously less each time.

 

[Raoul]

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

I’ve said in the past but the idea of Ukraine getting their nuclear weapons back with long range capabilities should be normalized that would put an end to the Russian nuclear or similar blackmail.

I also say the same about Japan. As much as I understand Japan's adversion to military uses of nuclear energy, I often said in the past that they would need to have at least one in order to say "don't f*** with us" to China, Russia and North Korea.

I think Ukraine are currently in the same situation as Japan when it comes to the capability to build a nuclear weapon in no time if push comes to shove though.

 

[Real Name]

Hope he dies of terrible death.

 

[Real Name]

I’ve said in the past but the idea of Ukraine getting their nuclear weapons back with long range capabilities should be normalized that would put an end to the Russian nuclear or similar blackmail.

And imagine that they sold or scrapped all of their nuclear weapons as a guarantee nobody, including Russia, attacks them.

 

[NotThatSoph]

So Ukraine are going to Nuke themselves (even though they have no Nukes) to turn the world against Russia?

Yeah because Russia are really popular internationally right now.

Even by the standards of Russian propaganda that ones dumb as feck.

It's obviously bullshit, but it's not that incoherent. While Russia is obviously extremely unpopular in NATO-alligned countries, it's also true that their involvement as of now is providing money, equipment and training, while direct intervention is off the table. Biden and other high ups have said that if Russia uses nukes they'll escalate into direct military involvement, so if Ukraine managed to stage a false flag operation involving nukes then that could be a way to get NATO to attack Russia proper. Which they won't, because it's made up.

 

[balaks]

Very worrying the way this is going as it looks like Russia are preparing the way for a nuclear attack.

 

[Real Name]

Where exactly did they get this nuclear weapon???

So this is why Shoigu has been calling the American and British defense secretary/minister. It's worrying that it suggests Russia is considering actually using a nuke, I would assume in Kherson area.

Poor Russia and their army, Ukraine is trying to discredit them as if there arent enough reasons to discredit them already.

 

[mariachi-19]

Very worrying the way this is going as it looks like Russia are preparing the way for a nuclear attack.

Feels that way. Everyone calling Putin’s bluff and the nut case feels he needs to do something so people actually fear it.

Again I’m predicting this to occur on Russian soil not Ukrainian if it occurs. He will do everything to make it a non international incident to avoid the insane consequences.

 

[VorZakone]

Ukrainian military intelligence is saying that Russia is creating the illusion of leaving Kherson but instead they're preparing for defense.

Russia is bringing new military units into Kherson as it prepares to defend the city from any fresh Ukrainian offensive, the head of Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence Agency said in an interview with Kyiv-based news website Ukrainska Pravda.

Maj. Gen. Kyrylo Budanov said that, while Moscow was moving injured people, cash and the Russian-installed administrative authorities and financial institutions out of the city, it was putting more troops in.

“[Russian bank] Promsvyazbank and other financial structures that the Russians brought there are being taken out,” Budanov said.

“They are taking out cash, [internet] servers, the so-called occupation authorities … All the non-walking, seriously injured are being taken out, they are trying to discharge those who can walk as soon as possible from hospitals … They create the illusion that everything is lost,” added Budanov.

“And at the same time, on the contrary, they bring new military units there and prepare the streets of the city for defense.”

http://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-24-22/index.html

 

[VorZakone]

 

[VorZakone]

Joint statement by the US, UK and France. Wonder why Russia felt bothered to communicate this on such a high diplomatic level rather than just spout it on their state TV.

Earlier today, the defense ministers of each of our countries spoke to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu at his request. Our countries made clear that we all reject Russia’s transparently false allegations that Ukraine is preparing to use a dirty bomb on its own territory. The world would see through any attempt to use this allegation as a pretext for escalation. We further reject any pretext for escalation by Russia.

https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-ukraine-2/

 

[harms]

Weirdly enough he’s been universally criticized by other parts of Russian propaganda & Simonyan even said that they’re dismissing him from RT.

The conspiracy lovers think that it may be either scripted altogether or smartly used by the Russian propaganda to get even more support for an upcoming even stricter anti-LGBT propaganda law — see, even a good gay is inherently bad. When you look at the Russian comments under Simonyan’s statement, the predominant message is +- “what have you been thinking employing gay in the first place”.

Edit: the head of the investigative committee (not sure what the right translation would be) just said that they’re going to look into Krasovsky’s words, which more or less equals a criminal case (he would say that publicly unless he already knew that they’re going to nail Krasovsky for it).

 

[harms]

Joint statement by the US, UK and France. Wonder why Russia felt bothered to communicate this on such a high diplomatic level rather than just spout it on their state TV.


https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-ukraine-2/

Shoigu has to do something, I guess, it’s not like his trusted with anything else nowadays.

It had to be such weird calls though — you can’t hang up and you have to sit there and listen to Shoigu spouting obvious bs for what I’d imagine was a significant amount of time.

 

[FrantikChicken]

So Ukraine are going to Nuke themselves (even though they have no Nukes) to turn the world against Russia?

Yeah because Russia are really popular internationally right now.

Even by the standards of Russian propaganda that ones dumb as feck.

Is it though?

let’s consider the situation:

Ukraine has been crying out for more help from the west since the start of this war. It’s already been very long and costly for them. Russia just conscripted 300k additional soldiers, the Ukrainians don’t have that luxury. after the bombing of the Crimea bridge, Russia decided to turn the screw and precision attack their infrastructure. This means blackouts throughout the country on the daily, and winter is coming. If Ukraine feels they can’t last the winter, a move like this could be their Hail Mary as it would get the west fully involved.

I’m not saying this is true, but let’s not be blind to the possibility that desperate people can do desperate things.

 

[Anustart89]

Is it though?

let’s consider the situation:

Ukraine has been crying out for more help from the west since the start of this war. It’s already been very long and costly for them. Russia just conscripted 300k additional soldiers, the Ukrainians don’t have that luxury. after the bombing of the Crimea bridge, Russia decided to turn the screw and precision attack their infrastructure. This means blackouts throughout the country on the daily, and winter is coming. If Ukraine feels they can’t last the winter, a move like this could be their Hail Mary as it would get the west fully involved.

I’m not saying this is true, but let’s not be blind to the possibility that desperate people can do desperate things.

But they need to have nukes for them to be able to nuke themselves? The entire thing is toppled at the first obstacle. It’s like me saying I’m going to use my huge cock to end the war.

 

[FrantikChicken]

But they need to have nukes for them to be able to nuke themselves? The entire thing is toppled at the first obstacle. It’s like me saying I’m going to use my huge cock to end the war.

They can make a dirty bomb

 

[Siorac]

Feels that way. Everyone calling Putin’s bluff and the nut case feels he needs to do something so people actually fear it.

Again I’m predicting this to occur on Russian soil not Ukrainian if it occurs. He will do everything to make it a non international incident to avoid the insane consequences.

What exactly would be the point of detonating one of their own nukes on their own territory? Blame the West or Ukraine? Show that they are willing to use nukes.... on themselves? I'm struggling to think of any benefit of Russia nuking itself. I mean, benefit for Russia.

 

[stefan92]

What exactly would be the point of detonating one of their own nukes on their own territory? Blame the West or Ukraine? Show that they are willing to use nukes.... on themselves? I'm struggling to think of any benefit of Russia nuking itself. I mean, benefit for Russia.

What they could do would be a classic nuclear test.

 

[hellhunter]

What exactly would be the point of detonating one of their own nukes on their own territory? Blame the West or Ukraine? Show that they are willing to use nukes.... on themselves? I'm struggling to think of any benefit of Russia nuking itself. I mean, benefit for Russia.

Not that I think this is realistic or even feasible, but they could frame that as justification for further escalation. Don't think it makes much sense, but that's pretty much the sole possible reason

 

[stevoc]

It's obviously bullshit, but it's not that incoherent. While Russia is obviously extremely unpopular in NATO-alligned countries, it's also true that their involvement as of now is providing money, equipment and training, while direct intervention is off the table. Biden and other high ups have said that if Russia uses nukes they'll escalate into direct military involvement, so if Ukraine managed to stage a false flag operation involving nukes then that could be a way to get NATO to attack Russia proper. Which they won't, because it's made up.

I get what you're saying but don't have Nukes though and everyone knows this. If they still had a Nuclear weapons programme this invasion wouldn't have happened in the first place.

But as someone else pointed out it's most likely for their domestic audience, most of whom don't seem to have access to news other than Russian state propaganda.

 

[harms]

Is it though?

let’s consider the situation:

Ukraine has been crying out for more help from the west since the start of this war. It’s already been very long and costly for them. Russia just conscripted 300k additional soldiers, the Ukrainians don’t have that luxury. after the bombing of the Crimea bridge, Russia decided to turn the screw and precision attack their infrastructure. This means blackouts throughout the country on the daily, and winter is coming. If Ukraine feels they can’t last the winter, a move like this could be their Hail Mary as it would get the west fully involved.

I’m not saying this is true, but let’s not be blind to the possibility that desperate people can do desperate things.

Imagine the risk of such action — I'm not even talking about the radiation etc., I'm talking about the possibility of this false flag operation being uncovered. How do you think it will impact the popular image of Ukraine and its support in the Western countries?

Ukraine isn't that desperate — in fact out of the two Russia clearly struggles more, militarily, politically, economically etc.

 

[stevoc]

Is it though?

let’s consider the situation:

Ukraine has been crying out for more help from the west since the start of this war. It’s already been very long and costly for them. Russia just conscripted 300k additional soldiers, the Ukrainians don’t have that luxury. after the bombing of the Crimea bridge, Russia decided to turn the screw and precision attack their infrastructure. This means blackouts throughout the country on the daily, and winter is coming. If Ukraine feels they can’t last the winter, a move like this could be their Hail Mary as it would get the west fully involved.

I’m not saying this is true, but let’s not be blind to the possibility that desperate people can do desperate things.

Yes, it makes little sense.

Ukraine don't have Nukes so they couldn't Nuke themselves (even the idea of Ukraine nuking their own country is ludicrous and idiotic) if they had Nuclear capability Russia would have never invaded in the first place.

They could use a dirt bomb of sorts to blame Russia but Russia do have Nukes so they wouldn't use a dirty bomb. No one would buy that it was Russia, the US's intelligence apparatus is the best in the world they would probably know full well who set the bomb off. Such a crazy and reckless move would do more harm than good for Ukraine in getting more support form the West.

And besides with how this war is playing out it looks like Ukraine won't need NATO boots on the ground to beat Russia.

 

[Simbo]

Very worrying the way this is going as it looks like Russia are preparing the way for a nuclear attack.

Feels that way. Everyone calling Putin’s bluff and the nut case feels he needs to do something so people actually fear it.

Again I’m predicting this to occur on Russian soil not Ukrainian if it occurs. He will do everything to make it a non international incident to avoid the insane consequences.

Nah, this is just standard Russian things, there is nothing new here. They've been pushing narratives like this since before it started, all through their Syrian campaign and probably every other theatre they’ve operated in. Sometimes they’ll amplify it with fake videos, sometimes with a few phone calls, it’s all the same.

Nothing Russia says for public consumption should ever be taken seriously. Not in the slightest.

 

[VorZakone]

 

[McGrathsipan]

Is it though?

let’s consider the situation:

Ukraine has been crying out for more help from the west since the start of this war. It’s already been very long and costly for them. Russia just conscripted 300k additional soldiers, the Ukrainians don’t have that luxury. after the bombing of the Crimea bridge, Russia decided to turn the screw and precision attack their infrastructure. This means blackouts throughout the country on the daily, and winter is coming. If Ukraine feels they can’t last the winter, a move like this could be their Hail Mary as it would get the west fully involved.

I’m not saying this is true, but let’s not be blind to the possibility that desperate people can do desperate things.

the west becoming more involved doesnt help with the power grid so no I dont accept they are planning a false flag.

Russia telling lie after lie for 8 months now leans me towards them being untruthful this time too.

 

[FrantikChicken]

the west becoming more involved doesnt help with the power grid so no I dont accept they are planning a false flag.

Russia telling lie after lie for 8 months now leans me towards them being untruthful this time too.

what? It means pushing Russia out of Ukrainian territory.

 

[VorZakone]

 

[VorZakone]

Russia also spoke with Tony Radakin, British chief of defence staff.

MOSCOW, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Russian military Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov and British Chief of Defence Staff Tony Radakin spoke by phone on Monday to discuss what Moscow called the possibility that Ukraine could use a "dirty bomb", Russian news agencies reported.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...rty-bomb-ukraine-russian-agencies-2022-10-24/

 

[the hea]

No wonder Iran is sending Russia weapons considering how tolerant they are towards the muslims in the army.

 

[Dans]

Just read that Ukraine will begin mobilization now too - everyone under 60.

 

[VorZakone]

Just read that Ukraine will begin mobilization now too - everyone under 60.

Is this new? I thought they already gave that order at the start of the invasion.