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How much does annexing territories change in the grand scheme of things. Putin said attacking here will be treated like attack on Russia, but there were some explosions in Russia already and in Crimea too.

I hope this doesn't mean a potential move further to them using nuclear weapons, even tactical.
 
Spark said:
I have the same issue. Two mates who just think this is purely the fault of NATO/US. Mainly stemming from “overthrowing the democratically elected president of Ukraine in 2014” which forced Putin to do what he did. All a load of gash about how we should negotiate with Putin for peace and “stop using Ukrainians as pawns”.

Does. My. fecking. Nut.
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Yes, the same, the west is fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian and stuff and if they were just and nice Russia wouldn't have ever moved. They were pressured to attack a neighbouring country and annex 15 percent of their territory. Mental.

Current government was put in force in Ukraine and wasn't elected so I guess Russia has a right up judge which Ukrainian government is OK and potentially overthrow it just because.

The best part was when one of them said 'Russia lies less."

I was like, you made that conclusion from your huge expertise on the subject or what?
 
Sarni said:
There are some. It’s a small minority and the political party that tries to spread anti-Ukrainian/pro-Russian sentiments has gone from polling at 10-11% to 5-6% but it is nonetheless concerning that they exist at all. And they do tend to make a lot of noise, like all idiots.
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I see. Thanks for the info! I believe that in any democracy you will find a percentage of 5-6% for anything - or against anything. I am afraid that in the USA and UK the percentage of those who would support Putin over Ukraine is much higher!... We can only ignore those people (while in autocratic states like Russia they jail them) ... it is a price we pay for having democracy and free speech.
 
Sarni said:
Plenty of idiots like that around here these days too, pretty much the same morons who were antivax and all before - though I must say even within that group (antivax/denialists) most are still anti-Russian anyway. There is only so much traction online Russian propaganda can get.
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Yeah, sometimes they're antivaxers but as you said even many those of those are not pro Russian.
Those friends I was mentioning are xenophobic and racist so it goes hand in hand I guess.
 
Real Name said:
How much does annexing territories change in the grand scheme of things. Putin said attacking here will be treated like attack on Russia, but there were some explosions in Russia already and in Crimea too.

I hope this doesn't mean a potential move further to them using nuclear weapons, even tactical.
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Probably a desperate attempt to stop losing more ground. It's embarassing for Russia to be swept away so easily right now, and this is probably an attempt to stop further routing
 
Rajma said:
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No fecking way! :lol:

And I thought almost all modern armies had moved towards lighter kevlar helmets while their designs are closer to the German stahlhelm simply because wide brims protect the neck and the back of the head while not hindering peripheral vision. Just the use of steel helmets alone is silly in 2022, when kevlar is already making those lighter.

Rajma said:
It seems like Minsk will be liberated soon:
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Well, I guess NATO will have to go back to one of the original options that should have been used to force Russia to stand down. That option is to put a naval stranglehold upon Kaliningrad, especially after the recent pipeline sabotage incidents. Oh, and Lukashenko is a dog.
 
Rajma said:
I still do not see enough deterrence against nuclear deployment from Russia. It should be made really clear that any attempt will result in the complete destruction of Russia. This weakness will be exploited again and with every day that western leaders remain non-commital the likelihood that’s going to be used by Russia increases. That’s the only language those drug addicts in Kremlin get.
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The problem with the 'total destruction of Russia' (next to 100 million deaths there) is that it also comes with the total destruction of Europe/US and hundreds of millions of deaths there.

As best possible scenario.
 
Real Name said:
I'd have to ask 2 of my friends who are pro-russian and who claimed that Russia attacked Ukraine cause they were provoked by Americans if they changed their stance. Probably not and probably they'll claim Russia annexed Ukrainian territories cause they were provoked... I'm avoiding them in a big circle.
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You can show this to your friends that have fallen victims to russian propaganda and disinformation campaign:
Leaving the border with Nato completely naked, you wouldn’t do that if you had any serious considerations that Nato might attack you at any point, would you? Especially at the moment when Russia is weak and depleted.
 
Rajma said:
You can show this to your friends that have fallen victims to russian propaganda and disinformation campaign:
Leaving the border with Nato completely naked, you wouldn’t do that if you had any serious considerations that Nato might attack you at any point, would you? Especially at the moment when Russia is weak and depleted.
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Is it finally time to get Königsberg back? :devil:
 
Simbo said:
Nonsense.
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I think there’s a pretty good chance we are going to see a major escalation in the coming weeks. Once Putin officially annexes the Ukrainian territories, he will use it as a pretext to claim Ukraine is attacking Russian land, which will be used as justification to use more powerful weapons (whether it’s nukes or other WMDs we don’t know ). Once that happens, NATO will be forced to get involved, at which point we will reach a dangerous precipice.
 
Raoul said:
I think there’s a pretty good chance we are going to see a major escalation in the coming weeks. Once Putin officially annexes the Ukrainian territories, he will use it as a pretext to claim Ukraine is attacking Russian land, which will be used as justification to use more powerful weapons (whether it’s nukes or other WMDs we don’t know ). Once that happens, NATO will be forced to get involved, at which point we will reach a dangerous precipice.
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Won't they have only a small window for this new offensive due to the harsh Russian/UKR winters?
 
This is a really good video! Especially the last guy. He seems to be a simple Russian guy who has accepted the full Russian TV propaganda, but he looks like a honest person, so the interviewer asks him simple question after simple question till he is dumbfounded by the whole thing!

 
atkar83 said:
Probably a desperate attempt to stop losing more ground. It's embarassing for Russia to be swept away so easily right now, and this is probably an attempt to stop further routing
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I really hope so its just that. The other option is Russians saying you attacked our territory, we're gonna use everything at our disposel, which means even tactical nuclear weapons and big escalation.
 
Russia now openly massacring Ukrainian citizens fleeing their “annexations”:

 
Raoul said:
I think there’s a pretty good chance we are going to see a major escalation in the coming weeks. Once Putin officially annexes the Ukrainian territories, he will use it as a pretext to claim Ukraine is attacking Russian land, which will be used as justification to use more powerful weapons (whether it’s nukes or other WMDs we don’t know ). Once that happens, NATO will be forced to get involved, at which point we will reach a dangerous precipice.
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But this kind of “we will X if you Y” intimidation attempt has been Russia’s MO throughout this entire thing, and the evidence shows that they won’t as seen by the non entity that is the reaction to attacks in Crimea and Belgorod.
 
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