This really made me laugh. I don't know if you're serious or joking with the last few pages.Seriously now, was your father on the Kiev front? Is there anything that surprised him? To what does he attribute Russia's failure to meet its objectives?
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This really made me laugh. I don't know if you're serious or joking with the last few pages.Seriously now, was your father on the Kiev front? Is there anything that surprised him? To what does he attribute Russia's failure to meet its objectives?
Pretty much every news agency….
What next… Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?
Utter bollocks.
Fecking hell
In self defense of what? Ukraine joining the EU and a self-defense pact called Nato?
Yes, you're a bad person for saying that a country has the right do so anything that's a strategic interest. For example, invading a sovereign and shelling civilians.
What utter, utter bullshit. That would be according to Russia, not according to the UN.
The UN Charter states: "Member states shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations". This seems to perfectly describe exactly what Russia are doing.
The self-defense argument is blindingly stupid, because Ukraine was not planning an attacked (no matter what you have heard on your state TV), and have in fact never attacked another nation.
I’m not saying there no propaganda.
It’s a horrible fecking war and that’s that.
We didn’t call you orcs, or some fecking stupid names for your soldiers.
We didn’t call you Untermenschen gloatingly did we. Maybe see who’s doing that.
So show then.
I was absolutely having a dig at Russia silencing free press. Seems this place is too vanilla for that.
Negating war crimes might do that to a place.
After all the invasions of Russia of Ukraine and annexing Crimea and well currently trying to annex the whole of Ukraine I find it astonishing you can still claim Russia is acting in self defense.
Mate, stop. There's absolutely no merit to their claim under article 51 of the UN charter alone. Any decently competent legal scholar would say it as Dombas is not a state. You're regurgitating russian propaganda.
I'm sorry @Paxi but you're so wrong on pretty much everything in here. Even if we discount Bucha (although how can we? There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that points to Russian and literally nothing that points to any kind of a set up or whatever it is you're trying to point us towards with your fresh corpses thing), what about, say, Mariupol? Who was it that demolished the entire city? Or do you think that those were Ukrainians as well, for whatever reason, that somehow manage to fight with an entire Russian army while keeping up indiscriminately demolishing their own country to the ground to paint Russia as the Nazi Germany 2.0 in the eyes of the rest of the world (something that, even if we assume that Ukrainians somehow did it, they've already achieved — yet Ukrainian towns and villages keep getting bombed and burned to the ground day by day)?
I respectfully disagree. If Russians suddenly made Cuba their satellite state. It would cause an an absolute sizemic geopolitical crisis.
Prove it.
Did you see me saying that. I said that according to UN — Russian Military operation in Ukraine is legal.
What the hell is going on in here ?Not entering into the raging debate from the last few hours here.
This is a serious problem as someone obviously violated the sanctions from the last 8 years to provide those American microchips and thus must be found at all costs. However, I have a hard time understanding why Russia would go this far to get those when China is right next door and both have been circlejerking for the last decade.
This is a serious problem as someone obviously violated the sanctions from the last 8 years to provide those American microchips and thus must be found at all costs. However, I have a hard time understanding why Russia would go this far to get those when China is right next door and both have been circlejerking for the last decade.
This is what happens when you leave us unsupervised.
It's not. You're parroting what Putin claims, not the actual legal interpretation of th charter.
Russia part of UN council correct? They have a right to recognise states, republic and so fourth. This military operation is all within legal framework. Now, will this be contested, of course! But I’m he fact you’re just brazen about it, just shows how underestimate Russians — keep doing it though. Haha
On Article 51 of the UN Charter, here is Elizabeth Wilmshurst, a professor of International Law at UCL who was in the FCO in 2003 and resigned over the Iraq War, so she does know a thing or two:
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/02/ukraine-debunking-russias-legal-justifications
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/02/ukraine-debunking-russias-legal-justifications
How can you disagree that there are immoral actions that are strategically advantageous? Are you saying that anything that gives a country an advantage against another is moral? Would you say the same thing for the individual, anything that gives me an advantage in life is moral?
Like nuking North Korea, for example. That's not okay, even if it makes the world a safer place. You can take a position that making the world safer justifies evil action, but it's still evil. And you have the problem that this logic might be applied to anyone, which would make the world decidedly less safe.
So instead we give people and countries rights, and they're to be defended.
I'm against calling Russian soldiers orcs and dehumanizing them, you can read that up, I had a few discussions about that in this thread. But you're ignoring clear evidence of war crimes which is bad. Really, really bad.
That's not correct, just read the next post after that one.
Revan got threadbanned for one post, this has now taken pages.
What do you mean here? Justify Ukrainians' involvement when your guys invaded their country?
Journalists are not people or what?
And getting your knickers in a bunch over name calling when you're doing your best to emulate Nazi Germany. fecking hell.
This has become quite the meltdown.
It’s always a strange phenomenon, seeing someone have a full blown mental breakdown on a football forum, and yet it happens so often on here. The caf really is a special place.
It’s always a strange phenomenon, seeing someone have a full blown mental breakdown on a football forum, and yet it happens so often on here. The caf really is a special place.
Are you attempting to coax the ref into showing another poster a red ?
I think he is merely suggesting you use VAR.
That's... not how any of this work. The fact that feel like laughing after such an uninformed and biased statements tells volume about your inclination.
Football.... bloody hell!
Yeah harms whom was it that absolute
Where is the overwhelming evidence mate?
Despite Bucha happening… and I honestly don’t know what happened… you can’t say there is an overwhelming evidence.
It’s just simply not true. A lot of innocent people got executed and I feel absolutely horrible about it. From what I know, from my dad, foreign mercs get executed — none of the Ukrainians get the same treatment. That what I’ve been told and that seems to be the word on the ground. If you disagree, I’d love a source:
Whom was in Mariupol mate? Ukrainians were not going to leave and Russians were going to storm it. Understand how we went into Grozny in 96 and got ambushed and suffered (what now seems relatively low casualties) — and then the difference in the second Chechen war… I absolutely adore your football knowledge but bear in mind that Russians have adjusted not only from conflict to conflict Chechenya 96 - Georgia 08.
Also, the fact that you say; Russians are indiscriminately bombing place; it’s just not true.
Journalists don’t count?
What is your definition of overwhelming evidence ?
Someone is justifying mass genocide and war crimes with the comeback of a 5 year old ... "prove it".
His reply to Watermelon was probably the worst post I've ever seen on this site. No idea how not deleted all his posts and banned.
Boy, we got a live one on the hook.
Journalists don’t count?
Daddy, who appears to engage in some light war crimes, but only against foreigners, trumps any other source.