Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Alexander III was highly reactionary and reversed some of the liberal reforms of his father, Alexander II. In the end, the ground for his successor Nicholas II became a large minefield as autocracy became absolute. So we can say that Alexander III allowed the rot to fester while Nicholas only finished the demolition work of the centuries-long monarchy.
It is not that hard to understand that a ceasefire without any prerequisites will just mean that Russia will have time to consolidate the territory it has already taken.
This is what I was talking about (front page today):
Ukraine rules out any ceasefire deal that involves ceding territory to Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal-territory-donbas
“The war must end with the complete restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” said Ukraine’s presidential chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, in a Twitter post.
The Polish president, Andrzej Duda, offered Warsaw’s backing, telling politicians in Kyiv that the international community had to demand Russia’s complete withdrawal and that sacrificing any of Ukraine’s territory would be a “huge blow” to the west.
“Worrying voices have appeared, saying that Ukraine should give in to Putin’s demands,” Duda said, in the first in-person address to the Ukrainian parliament by a foreign leader since Russia’s invasion on 24 February. “Only Ukraine has the right to decide about its future,” he said.
This is what I was talking about (front page today):
Ukraine rules out any ceasefire deal that involves ceding territory to Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/22/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal-territory-donbas
“The war must end with the complete restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty,” said Ukraine’s presidential chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, in a Twitter post.
The Polish president, Andrzej Duda, offered Warsaw’s backing, telling politicians in Kyiv that the international community had to demand Russia’s complete withdrawal and that sacrificing any of Ukraine’s territory would be a “huge blow” to the west.
“Worrying voices have appeared, saying that Ukraine should give in to Putin’s demands,” Duda said, in the first in-person address to the Ukrainian parliament by a foreign leader since Russia’s invasion on 24 February. “Only Ukraine has the right to decide about its future,” he said.
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I think you are missing the age difference and the effect that has. SPD is mostly voted for by elder people, and they have strong ties to the German peace movement, as ot formed after WW2 and as it was reinforced after the German reunification. Peace with Russia was seen as the key to get Germany reunited, and getting that peace by trade relations etc was seen as the right way to do. The military was mostly an afterthought no one cared about, as no one wanted to see Germany fight a war. It's not like there are just some corrupt politicians bought by Russia, it is simply the result of the close ties to the classic German peace movement (and as always we Germans tend to make things reaaaally good to the point it becomes stupid, like here).
The result is that the Bundeswehr is in a horrible shape and has very little to give.
The younger generation who predominantly votes for Greens and FDP grew up in a time of ugly little wars (beginning with ex-Yugoslavia) and sees the need for military actions under certain circumstances.
The conservative CDU of course is also voted for mostly by elder people, but as conservatives they are generally more in favour of the military and never liked Russia that much.
To be fair, Russia's sabre rattling has backfired spectacularly so far. For some reason they keep threatening drastic measures only to have to climb down. The West don't have to mention nukes, publicly test missiles, have ridiculous military parades with full on ICBMs because their capabilities have been proven on actual battlefields in every decade in the modern (and pre-modern tbf) era. There's a reason why China are waiting so long to take Taiwan.
What we do need to do is not give an inch to Russia, something that Germany (and Israel and India and all the other countries who have clear economic reasons to not want to write off existing deals) are clearly doing by trying to stick as closely to the fence as possible. So totally agree with you in that regard.
You have to remember that it's actually really easy for the UK to be balls deep in helping Ukraine as relations with Russia were already non-existent prior to the war. With nothing to lose, beyond the unlikely case of Russia declaring war on the UK, Johnson can do everything he can to help Ukraine militarily and seem like the saviour even though he's done absolutely jack shit to help refugees and alleviate the humanitarian crisis. And to add insult to injury he's actually on a collision course with the whole of the EU and the US over Northern Ireland, something that could have major ramifications in dealing with Russia.
Germany need to buck up and get on board, however it's not a basket of fruit anywhere else once you start scratching beneath the surface.
I simply gave the article's heading.
Ukraine war: The defiant Russians speaking out about the war:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61542365
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61542365
It's only about 2k short of the Ukraine's own estimate.
28k dead would imply around 112,000 Russians now out of action.
58, 200 US deaths in Vietnam between 1961 - 1974
28k Russian deaths in 90 days
The mind boggles
Glaston mate we’re all more than capable of subscribing to #Russia and #Ukraine ourselves
Sure, but this thread is a partly a location for bringing relevant news into one place, which quite a few posters have said they find useful.
You are just a GlastonHater . When will you admit it...
fair playI don't have Twitter so I'm grateful others are sharing stuff here.
Fair fecks if people are getting something out of it, just seems like half of them are plucked with barely any thought
I definitely find it useful. I don't have time to scroll through 100s of tweets, this thread seems to have a decent overview of most important things happening.
I'm under the impression he is a bit of a hardliner and not very rational. He called for NATO involvement, claimed that without at least a NFZ Putin would invade the whole of Europe, etc.
As it stands, Ukraine is winning and it is doing so without escalating the nuclear threat.
I may be wrong but to my knowledge nobody has suggested that Ukraine accepts a ceasefire at the cost of surrendering the occupied territories?
Moreover, I'm no expert but from my perspective, time is on Ukraine's side so it's highly unlikely that Russia come out of the pause stronger than Ukraine. The only thing they could gain from that is that they could fortify in the Donbas. But meanwhile, Ukraine will train more (and better) conscripts, receive more (and better) weapons, train their soldiers in the use of said weaponry, resupply cities and defenders under siege and evacuate civilians. Russia on the other hand apparently can't conscript more people, they only have outdated and badly maintained weapons available, they can't produce anything due to sanctions and the only thing keeping their economy alive is a) short term measurements to counter the sanctions which will soon become ineffective and b) gas deals which the EU is planning to abandon completely.
So I don't know what the experts in here are thinking, but if Russia really believes that a "red herring" ceasefire will improve their situation, I'd expect that this is just another strategic misjudgment on their part.
I don't think that fellow has a head.
Twitter has tons of similar pics on the various sites that follow Russian KIA/WIA. An unnecessary war that's been a tragedy for both sides.
I think the overall casualties are going to dwindle rapidly now since neither soldiers want to be Canon fodder.
Same here.
Same here, much appreciated
All good but just beware that this thread is heavily loaded with tweets from pro-Kiev sources and ‘analysts’ telling like-minded followers what they want to hear. Some of it is accurate, much of it probably not.
Ukraine forces prepare for possible attack on Belarusian border:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pare-for-possible-attack-on-belarusian-border
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...pare-for-possible-attack-on-belarusian-border
Ukrainians are apparently losing an average of 100 men a day.
He said 50-100 I think, but it seems to have been upped to 100 by the press. Can’t quite work out whether this is a lot. Looks like Russia is losing 300/day but it’s obviously difficult to compare
Oh I'm aware we're getting Ukraine's version of events.
Death penalty is too good for these cnuts…