Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

harms said:
Yep. Not to mention that they don’t allow any live footage anymore after what happened with Ovsyannikova (and even before that it was only limited to news). Everything is scripted in those shows — not exactly word for word but the general sentiments and how the arguments go…
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What's your take on why that guy was allowed to ramble on critically for many minutes on that show ? Do you think Putin is greasing the skids to justify blaming those around him ?
 
Raoul said:
What's your take on why that guy was allowed to ramble on critically for many minutes on that show ? Do you think Putin is greasing the skids to justify blaming those around him ?
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I wouldn’t put too much thought in what’s being said on Russian TV. The propaganda itself doesn’t get clear instructions on what to say (aside from an odd specific comment by Peskov or by the Administration) & every channel had been transformed to an unending stream of news and political talk shows with literally nothing else so some fluctuations will happen. Trying to find deeper meaning in them is pointless — they don’t project Putin’s inner wishes, they try to predict his wishes in advance and those who do are usually thick as shit.

Plus ideally it’s better to watch the entire show to get a proper context for what he’s saying — and no one sane would do it. We’ve all collectively fell into this trap just recently — everyone was sharing the clip of one of the experts saying that those who oppose the “Z” symbol will be castrated and sent to concentration camps… it sounded a bit too much even for Russian propaganda but hey ho, the sentence made grammatical sense and seemed complete.

Only a week or so later a bigger clip was found by someone where a bit of context was introduced — he was talking that NATO & Ukraine will do that if they’d win, even to those Russians who were on their side. Which made much more sense from the general propaganda point of view.

So I wouldn’t focus on that. I’m sure on the end they’ve twisted the message around somehow. Although there’s certainly some understanding even inside Russian infosphere that something went wrong (we’ve been at war for almost 3 months now, people see how the sanctions affect almost every part of their lives, prices on everything have skyrocketed — and yet Russia don’t really have anything to show for it). You have to address that sentiment somehow.
 
phelans shorts said:
I’m fairly certain that the tail is a 1970’s hoover
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It's very outdated technology, 2 cycle engine that makes a lot of noise, no wonder they get shot. Stick a couple of cheap cameras in it, remote control and you have a mysterious 1000$ drone that can't even take good pictures because it has to retain a minimum speed to keep flying.

Pretty sure the ukrainians are happier with the Parrot drones we're sending them...
 
MadMike said:
Funny thing is, this guy isn't just speaking truth now. He was speaking it before the conflict.

Here's a translated article of his from 20 days prior to the war.



Like a modern day Cassandra he correctly predicted the enormity and difficulty of the task of subjugating a nation the size of Ukraine, only for his voice to be drowned out by the chorus of Kremlin boot-lickers and war-hawks who kept saying Ukraine would fold in hours or minutes. He also predicted that there could well be a unified response from NATO, even down to guessing there would be a lend-lease agreement for high tech weapons and western volunteer fighters.
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Can he be president?
 
Saw on Danish news today that Ukraine forces managed to kill 500 Russian soldiers and destroy 80 Russian tanks trying to cross a river in Eastern Ukraine.
 
Sir Matt said:
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They will likely get some concessions on terming PKK militias as terrorists and an end to arms embargo and that will likely be it. F-35s are contingent on the Turks getting rid of their S-400, now more than ever. No way the US will back down on this and they know it well enough.

The article said:
Turkey accepted Greece’s return to NATO in the 1980s after the two countries fought a war in 1974 over Cyprus, and is keen not to repeat what the officials say is now viewed in Ankara as a mistake.

Athens and its Cypriot allies later emerged as key obstacles blocking Turkey’s bid for membership in the EU, rejected a UN vote on a unification plan for Cyprus, and have been engaged in constant territorial disputes with Turkey over parts of the Aegean and Mediterranean seas.
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That's some sort of parallel reality from Turkish politicians again. There wasn't a country in Europe as enthusiastic as Greece about Turkey's potential ascension to the EU. Pretty much all territorial disputes would be resolved by Turkey becoming a co-signatory to the UNCLOS (* United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) which the EU is a signatory to as an institution. Greek government was also pro-Annan plan for the unification of Cyprus, in the 2004 referendum on the island. Greece did block N.Macedonian entry into NATO until the naming dispute was resolved, but it never blocked Turkey. In fact, the opposite...

Wikipedia said:
The issue of Turkish membership has been contentious in Greece. An opinion poll from 2005 suggested that only 25% of Greeks believe Turkey has a place in the European Union.[118] The former Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis stated that Turkish membership of the EU could only be predicated upon, "full compliance, full accession" in December 2006.[119] In 2005 the European Commission referred to relations between Turkey and Greece as "continuing to develop positively"[120] while also citing a key barrier to progress being Turkey's ongoing claim of casus belli over a dispute about territorial waters boundaries.[120] In September 2017, Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, mentioned that halting accession talks with Turkey would be a strategic mistake by the European Union, amid a war of words raging between Germany and Turkey.[121] Also, former Greek Prime Minister, George Papandreou, has urged European Union leaders to keep the doors open to Turkey and to continue dialogue with the Turkish government, in an apparent reference to the former German Chancellor Angela Merkel's calls for the suspension of accession talks with Turkey.[122]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union#Greece

The only real reason Turkey regrets letting Greece back into NATO is because they are protected by article 5. They still have an active casus belli threat against Greece, a fellow NATO member, if they unilaterally increase their territorial waters to 12nm as mandated by UNCLOS. While simultaneously rejecting an open offer since 1976 to settle the dispute at the ICJ . But sure, it's Greece that's been the problem.
 
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https://www.npr.org/2022/05/10/1097911440/lithuania-russia-terrorism-genocide-ukraine

It is telling how the Russians dismiss Lithuania: "a small country", "the West made them do it" and so on. Not one of these Russians says "we attacked a neighbor for no good reason, it is understandable that other neighbors are afraid". Not one of these Russians feels any responsibility for the thousands who died in Ukraine, or for the millions who had to leave their homes.


 
Stookie said:
plus it’s the nonchalant way he’s trying to drop it to see if the pin comes out. Mental.
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The pin wouldn't have came out, he was demonstrating how the grenade would explode on impact. The pin would be removed before the grenade is placed inside the plastic case, which opens on impact detonating the grenade.
 
The BBC reports:

"Belarussian leader Aleksander Lukashenko has signed a bill broadening the scope of the death penalty to include attempted acts of terrorism.

When Vladimir Putin launched his Ukraine invasion, Belarus was a critical element, providing a springboard for a lightning assault on the capital Kyiv.

But one thing he didn't count on was rail sabotage. From the word go, a clandestine network of railway workers, hackers and dissident security forces went into action to disrupt railway links, wreaking havoc on Russian supply lines.

Many Russian troops were left stranded on the front lines without food, fuel and ammunition. Now, alleged saboteurs in Belarus could face the firing squad, while the same law will apply to activists who organised the anti-Lukashenko protests a couple of years ago."
 
David Petraeus, retired United States Army general and ex-Director of the CIA, says that somewhere between 15k and 25k Russian military are now dead. If we take the middle figure of 20k dead (noting that that Ukrainian estimate is 30k), this implies 80,000 Russians now out of action one way or another:

 
A very rough yet somewhat fascinating watch — you can call it a documentary, I guess. Ukrainians have created this movie from the footage that was found on the phone of one of the captured Russian soldiers.

It has English subtitles, make sure to turn them on.

 
harms said:
A very rough yet somewhat fascinating watch — you can call it a documentary, I guess. Ukrainians have created this movie from the footage that was found on the phone of one of the captured Russian soldiers.

It has English subtitles, make sure to turn them on.

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That was a damn good watch. Assuming he's still alive, this kid will likely get into serious trouble for vlogging as much as he did.
 
Pintu said:
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I'm genuinely interested but does anyone know if Russian state TV/Propaganda try to push the narrative that Russia are the only country with nukes?

Otherwise it's a strange threat to make because shortly after they launched nukes at anywhere in Western Europe or North America there would be just as many nukes heading towards Russia.
 
stevoc said:
I'm genuinely interested but does anyone know if Russian state TV/Propaganda try to push the narrative that Russia are the only country with nukes?

Otherwise it's a strange threat to make because shortly after they launched nukes at anywhere in Western Europe or North America there would be just as many nukes heading towards Russia.
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It's the only threat they have that is not laughable. They know NATO is superior in conventional war (I think Putin even stated this publicly on several occasions).
 
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