There’s a lot of talk about Finland and Sweden joining NATO but has anyone given an indication of timelines for how long it takes to apply and for it to become official? Not that Russia can do much given how terrible it seems it is going for them - really surprised by the whole thing.
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It’s a 5 step process that involves auditing the country’s ability to join, officially changing the NATO treaty, the country’s legislature ratifying the change, etc. but considering how closely Sweden and Finland have been to NATO members for years, it could be done “in a couple of weeks” to “less than 4 months” to “about a year” - it just depends on who you ask.
https://www.newsweek.com/ho-long-does-it-take-join-nato-timeline-finland-sweden-1706031?amp=1
Russian ambassador hints some Kremlin officials want war to end: reports
https://nypost.com/2022/05/15/russian-ambassador-hints-that-some-officials-want-war-to-end/
https://nypost.com/2022/05/15/russian-ambassador-hints-that-some-officials-want-war-to-end/
That would be such welcome new except it’s the New York Post. Aka Fox Newspaper NY
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/12/1098508384/siemens-leaves-russia-over-ukraine-war
German industrial giant Siemens is leaving Russia after nearly 170 years
At the start of the war, Siemens put all new business and international deliveries in Russia and Belarus on hold. Now the German manufacturing giant says it will exit the Russian market entirely.
German industrial giant Siemens is leaving Russia after nearly 170 years
At the start of the war, Siemens put all new business and international deliveries in Russia and Belarus on hold. Now the German manufacturing giant says it will exit the Russian market entirely.
You would like to think that NATO and its member states would make this a matter of urgency given the situation.
It is important to keep piling on the pressure on Putin as well as showing the unity and strength of NATO. I am aware that Turkey has some concerns. But they can not be allowed to stand in the way of Sweden and Finland joining.
but NATO rules are very clear that if Turkey say no that they can’t just be ignored. It’s really rather specific about it.
Nonetheless they should be convinced by other NATO members. Of course they can't be forced, you are right the rules are very clear.
But I think some Bayraktars would fit the Finnish and Swedish army well, it's focus on easy operability and maintenance everywhere fits their jet fighter doctrine (embodied in the JAS39 Gripen) so maybe they should just order some
That’s a good point, but why are Turkey saying no?
Sweden/Finland's opposition to Turkey and their support for Kurds.
In truth, it is more about cause the West has broken relations with Turkey and Turkey feels mistreated by them (from the EU stopping Turkey's path to EU, in fact, not even allowing Turkish citizens to visit EU without a visa, to EU's and especially France's unconditional support to Greece on Greence/Turkey's cold conflict). Now that these countries seem to need Turkey's help, Turkey wants them to make concessions towards Turkey, otherwise they will veto.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099...-the-largest-ukraine-aid-package-yet-on-wedne
McConnell says the Senate will pass the largest Ukraine aid package yet on Wednesday
McConnell said he supported adding Russia to the list of state sponsors of terrorism and would back holding a vote on the issue, but urged President Biden to do it on his own.
[...]
"So we're all on the same team on this," McConnell also told NPR. "The Russians need to lose. The Ukrainians need to win."
McConnell says the Senate will pass the largest Ukraine aid package yet on Wednesday
McConnell said he supported adding Russia to the list of state sponsors of terrorism and would back holding a vote on the issue, but urged President Biden to do it on his own.
[...]
"So we're all on the same team on this," McConnell also told NPR. "The Russians need to lose. The Ukrainians need to win."
That is correct. But you must know that Turkey is probably using that as leverage to extract something they think they can get. But there is so much of a bigger agenda that they will be heavily leaned on.
This felt inevitable, but it still feels good to get confirmation of them pushing the Russians back to the border NE of Kharkiv.
I'm ineligible for conscription even during the war time, thankfully (that's as of today, who knows what laws they're going to change next).
My workplace just got it's first war-related denunciation (is this the right word when someone sends the info to the police on you) though and I feel weirdly proud of it. How's the saying goes, snitches get favourable mortgage rates?
Exactly. It’s in Turkey’s security interests for Nato to be powerful and have a strong northern flank. They are a regional power, vying with a bigger power in Russia for influence over, for example Azerbaijan, Armenia, Syria, Iraq, possibly Iran. Anything that limits Russia’s power projection in that area will be seen as a net positive for them, and forcing Russia to recalibrate its posture to take into account Nato expansion will achieve just that. Erdogan is just taking advantage of his power of veto to achieve leverage.
Thankfully your version of gestapo is not that efficient compared to the original.
I imagine they're a former soldier eligible for recall. British soldiers used to be open to recall up to 55, which seems terribly old to me.
Germany had conscripted the entire younger population before they moved on to the old, not quite the same.
The BBC reports:
"McDonald's has said it'll exit the Russian market and has started a process to sell its business in the country after 30 years of operating its restaurants there.
In March, the fast-food chain said it was temporarily closing around 850 restaurants in Russia in response to the country's invasion of Ukraine.
"The humanitarian crisis caused by the war in Ukraine, and the precipitating unpredictable operating environment, have led McDonald's to conclude that continued ownership of the business in Russia is no longer tenable, nor is it consistent with McDonald's values," the company said in a statement.
As part of McDonald's decision to leave, the company is "pursuing the sale of its entire portfolio of McDonald's restaurants" in Russia to a local buyer, it said.
McDonald's restaurants in Ukraine remain closed while the company continues to pay full salaries for its employees in the country."
"McDonald's has said it'll exit the Russian market and has started a process to sell its business in the country after 30 years of operating its restaurants there.
In March, the fast-food chain said it was temporarily closing around 850 restaurants in Russia in response to the country's invasion of Ukraine.
"The humanitarian crisis caused by the war in Ukraine, and the precipitating unpredictable operating environment, have led McDonald's to conclude that continued ownership of the business in Russia is no longer tenable, nor is it consistent with McDonald's values," the company said in a statement.
As part of McDonald's decision to leave, the company is "pursuing the sale of its entire portfolio of McDonald's restaurants" in Russia to a local buyer, it said.
McDonald's restaurants in Ukraine remain closed while the company continues to pay full salaries for its employees in the country."
From the BBC:
"Renault pulls out of Russia
French carmaker Renault says it is selling its majority stake in the Russian carmaker Avtovaz, in an agreement that will cost it some €2.2bn (£1.8bn).
Renault is the latest foreign company to leave following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.
Its holding of nearly 70% in Avtovaz is to be sold to the Russian Central Research and Development Automobile and Engine Institute, called Nami. The deal includes a six-year option to buy back the stake.
And its 100% shares in Renault Russia will go to the city of Moscow, the company said.
Moscow has said the company's Russian assets have now become state property.
"Today, we have taken a difficult but necessary decision, and we are making a responsible choice towards our 45,000 employees in Russia," said Chief Executive Luca de Meo.
In March, the car manufacturer said it was suspending work at its Moscow factory."
"Renault pulls out of Russia
French carmaker Renault says it is selling its majority stake in the Russian carmaker Avtovaz, in an agreement that will cost it some €2.2bn (£1.8bn).
Renault is the latest foreign company to leave following Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.
Its holding of nearly 70% in Avtovaz is to be sold to the Russian Central Research and Development Automobile and Engine Institute, called Nami. The deal includes a six-year option to buy back the stake.
And its 100% shares in Renault Russia will go to the city of Moscow, the company said.
Moscow has said the company's Russian assets have now become state property.
"Today, we have taken a difficult but necessary decision, and we are making a responsible choice towards our 45,000 employees in Russia," said Chief Executive Luca de Meo.
In March, the car manufacturer said it was suspending work at its Moscow factory."
Ah right, good explanation, thanks.
Good news for the Russians. I thought we’re meant to be making things worse for them?
Russian Inflation Spikes to 20-Year Record [17.8% in April] on War and Sanctions:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...spikes-to-20-year-record-on-war-and-sanctions
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...spikes-to-20-year-record-on-war-and-sanctions
I'm sure they will recieve best possible care.
Not sure how these are good news, they will most likely go from one hell hole to another, and if they survive, be made PoWs.
Yeah he posts on the caf
Ukraines song was absolute dogshit. Great for them to win it on a pity vote because they got blown up by Russia. It’s basically a Make-A-Wish victory. Your song’s shit but we feel sorry for you.Actually feel bad for the UK for actually having the best song for once and it comes in a year when a little country got invaded by Russia.
Ha, I'm amazed that post is still live
More good news in the Kharkiv region if they’ve already crossed the river. Russia was moving forces north from Izium to consolidate a defensive front supposedly which could have been problematic. It’s shown in the upper-right here.
so am I, I thought it was a wind up post at first.Ha, I'm amazed that post is still live