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So did Anonymous fake it or did Russia fake it in anticipation of it being released by Anonymous?

Like that episode of The Americans where the US created fake submarine propeller plans and let Elizabeth and Phillip steal them.
Don’t overestimate their cunningness.
 
Oh I'm not. I'm asking a serious question there, because I wouldn't put it past the Russian gov't to put out a fake document to throw folks off the trail of them making fake videos.
That's what I was talking about, don't overestimate the cunningness of Russian government :)
 


It's difficult. I have no issues people remembering their dead but it's a bit tricky this year in the Baltics. Thankfully in Estonia the organizers decided to cancel any marches themselves. Police expected a lot of people displaying Z's this year.

The nazi thing is even more difficult. I have relatives who fought in the Red Army, those who fought for nazis, those who fought for both after switching sides and those who went partisan rejecting both sides. There are plenty of people who celebrate vets who fought for Germany as they feel they fought against Stalin and for free Estonia. It can be a very problematic view but you need a bit of a nuanced understanding of the Baltic history. Eastern Europe is a lot more accepting of far-right than the western world, sadly. I would prefer to deal with it by ourselves, though, no need for Vlad's help.
 
So did Anonymous fake it or did Russia fake it in anticipation of it being released by Anonymous?

Like that episode of The Americans where the US created fake submarine propeller plans and let Elizabeth and Phillip steal them.
Great show.
 
Think as always with Russia they’re just buying some time to regroup and bring in further reinforcements:




They just realized their initial plan was a total feck up. I wouldn’t believe a word that comes out from their mouthpieces.
This should be a time to significantly speed up arming of the Ukraine.
 
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Think as always with Russia they’re just buying some time to regroup and bring in further reinforcements:




They just realized their initial plan was a total feck up. I wouldn’t believe a word that comes out from their mouthpieces.
This should be a time to significantly speed up arming of the Ukraine.

Yep, looks like lilliputin is trying to win some time to regroup. Hopefully, the West are increasing their support to Ukraine.
 
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It seemed odd at first viewing. Also, even if it were possible, what practically could Germany or the UK do if Russian invades again? The only serious security guarantees for Ukraine would be given by NATO in my view, and that is a non-starter.

NATO can amend their rules and add Ukraine as an adjunct country who qualify for article 5 protection, despite not being in NATO. At a minimum, there are creative ways to get around Putin's paranoid obsession with Ukrainian NATO membership.
 
Russia apparently willing to discuss moving troops out of the Kiev area, in a totally genuine offer that is unrelated to all the troops around Kiev being pushed back already.
 
It's difficult. I have no issues people remembering their dead but it's a bit tricky this year in the Baltics. Thankfully in Estonia the organizers decided to cancel any marches themselves. Police expected a lot of people displaying Z's this year.

The nazi thing is even more difficult. I have relatives who fought in the Red Army, those who fought for nazis, those who fought for both after switching sides and those who went partisan rejecting both sides. There are plenty of people who celebrate vets who fought for Germany as they feel they fought against Stalin and for free Estonia. It can be a very problematic view but you need a bit of a nuanced understanding of the Baltic history. Eastern Europe is a lot more accepting of far-right than the western world, sadly. I would prefer to deal with it by ourselves, though, no need for Vlad's help.
Absolutely. It makes you realise how shit the Soviet Union was to Baltic countries and Ukraine if they saw an enemy-of-my-enemy dictatorship as a temporary ally.
 
Russia apparently willing to discuss moving troops out of the Kiev area, in a totally genuine offer that is unrelated to all the troops around Kiev being pushed back already.
Chris Rock and Rhianna’s panties are coming to mind.
 
Russia apparently willing to discuss moving troops out of the Kiev area, in a totally genuine offer that is unrelated to all the troops around Kiev being pushed back already.

The Ukrainians should't fall for it, since all that it would accomplish is allow Putin to reposition his northern Ukrainian troops into the east and south.
 
The Ukrainians should't fall for it, since all that it would accomplish is allow Putin to reposition his northern Ukrainian troops into the east and south.
They will not fall for it. I am sure that the intelligence that the West are providing along with analytics generate tons of vital data that allow Ukranian government make correct decisions. F...ck lilliputin.
 
NATO can amend their rules and add Ukraine as an adjunct country who qualify for article 5 protection, despite not being in NATO. At a minimum, there are creative ways to get around Putin's paranoid obsession with Ukrainian NATO membership.
Whatever is necessary to ensure Ukraine's protection by NATO in the future needs to be done. They have been betrayed, after becoming a non-nuclear state and are now in ruins. Look at the German minister of finance's reaction on the first day of invasion. What a horrible c..nt
 
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That's on Russian territory. Not sure about that move..
 
That's on Russian territory. Not sure about that move..

Well, it's no different to the Russians firing from Russia into Ukraine (other than that they're actually aiming at a military target). As long as feet don't cross the border and they're not aiming at civilians it's hard to argue it's a particularly antagonistic move.
 
Think its the 3rd target in Russia they've hit? Airfield and another ammo dump?
 
Its no different than the Russians repeatedly doing the exact same thing to Ukrainian sites over the past 5 weeks. There is after all a war going on.
I agree but this is definitely a move that technically allows for the use of big, bad weapons.

It's a question if it's smart and might be used as an excuse by the Russians who are struggling in conventional warfare and not whether its fair game (of course, it is).
 
I agree but this is definitely a move that technically allows for the use of big, bad weapons.

It's a question if it's smart and might be used as an excuse by the Russians who are struggling in conventional warfare and not whether its fair game (of course, it is).
Phosphorus bombs have been already fired at Ukraine. Mariupol encircled and people are starving. Well fecking done for hitting an ammo depot.
 
It seemed odd at first viewing. Also, even if it were possible, what practically could Germany or the UK do if Russian invades again? The only serious security guarantees for Ukraine would be given by NATO in my view, and that is a non-starter.

I think we have to assume that any agreement would allow for Ukraine to continue to receive defensive weapons - except this time, given enough time enough for training, these could include very sophisticated ground-to-air defence systems covering all altitude ranges, plus sophisticated anti-ship missile systems, and more.
 
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Ukraine are holding a defensive position. Hitting an ammo depot is a defensive action whether on Russian soil or not. They’re not invading Russia nor targeting civilians.
 
I agree but this is definitely a move that technically allows for the use of big, bad weapons.

It's a question if it's smart and might be used as an excuse by the Russians who are struggling in conventional warfare and not whether its fair game (of course, it is).

I don't think it allows for use of more destructive weapons when you consider that Putin is losing this campaign and is slowly getting economically choked from within. His tendency therefore is to deescalate, which is what he appears to be doing now. Even if he repositions Kyiv troops elsewhere, it will be broadly viewed as a capitulation.