Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Rajma said:
It might become a genuine headache for Ukraine, the touted number of POWs would be a logistical nightmare at times like these:


What can they do, realistically, if it comes to it?
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Put them all in a hospital and paint "children" on the roof. Russia will take care of them in a day or two.
 
Carolina Red said:
Would seem to defeat the purpose of taking prisoners if you’re gonna let them go back into the fight.
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Oh if it were on a more forgiven situation for Russia I wouldn’t even think about it but these soldiers seem abandoned by Russian incompetence as it is. I just can’t see how they take back 8k people in a terrain that’s stopping Russia supplying them in the first place. I dont think it’s as easy as resupplying them as soon as they’re given back. I’m probably miles off but how do Russia even feed them when they’re apparently starving already? Minus all the armoury and vehicles?
I can’t see how that isn’t a logistic nightmare
 
If the reports are to be believed it seems to me that Ukraine are out thinking Russia and using decent strategy and tactics to fight Russia back.

Allowing Russia to over extend and now they launch a counter offensive to cut off a large section of the Russian northern offensive. An army that seems ill prepared, rationed with low ammo in unfamiliar lands. They could very easily capture a host of Russian troops and use that as leverage. If Russia abandons those troops then not only does it cause bad morale across the military but it could provide a headache for Putin domestically. Could become a key moment in the war.
 
RedSky said:
If the reports are to be believed it seems to me that Ukraine are out thinking Russia and using decent strategy and tactics to fight Russia back.

Allowing Russia to over extend and now they launch a counter offensive to cut off a large section of the Russian northern offensive. An army that seems ill prepared, rationed with low ammo in unfamiliar lands. They could very easily capture a host of Russian troops and use that as leverage. If Russia abandons those troops then not only does it cause bad morale across the military but it could provide a headache for Putin domestically. Could become a key moment in the war.
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You'd think someone in the Russian high command would have read a history book about the Great Patriotic War at some point, but alas, thankfully, they’ve apparently not.
 
Increasingly believe a chemical attack is in the cards, especially if Putin feels he's beginning to lose.

 


Wouldn't be surprised if some NATO spooks aren't working on exfiltrating some of the equipment Russia is losing.
 
Raoul said:
Increasingly believe a chemical attack is in the cards, especially if Putin feels he's beginning to lose.

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If the rumors that the Ukrainians are in a good position to rout the Russians West/Northwest of Kyiv or another week or two in Mauriopol, I could see the Russians using WMDs.
 
I can't fathom how Ukraine could ever forgive Russia for this invasion but if chemical weapons are used that's just another level of evil. It'll never be forgiven/forgotten.
 
I can't wait to go on YouTube in 20 years and look at Oversimplified to describe what happened in this crapalooza of a war.

For reference sake here are their previous on Russia - the Russians might put up with alot but they do eventually rise up, they must have another Lenin or someone who won't want to put up with Putin.




 
The Kremlin spread rumors and disinformation about Canadian sniper Wali being killed shortly after arriving in Ukraine a few weeks ago. Well, Wali says hello.



He also gave this assessment about life on the battlefield.

 
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Precaution said:
can't wait to go on YouTube in 20 years and look at Oversimplified to describe what happened in this crapalooza of a war.

For reference sake here are their previous on Russia - the Russians might put up with alot but they do eventually rise up, they must have another Lenin or someone who won't want to put up with Putin.
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We do, he’s in jail. Oversimplified video on this would be a good way to close this gestalt.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Maybe general public interest but not otherwise, NATO is getting a free hit at it’s direct rival. Lethal and non lethal aid will keep flowing into Ukraine, sanctions will be kept as long as possible.
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Yep, I don’t think this needs the attention span of the public. Unfortunately for the Ukrainian people this is currently a very nice scenario for NATO as they’re able to use it as a reverse proxy war against Putin. Only if things escalate does it become uncomfortable for NATO.
 
Pexbo said:
Yep, I don’t think this needs the attention span of the public. Unfortunately for the Ukrainian people this is currently a very nice scenario for NATO as they’re able to use it as a reverse proxy war against Putin. Only if things escalate does it become uncomfortable for NATO.
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Sorry, but this line of reasoning is bullshit. It is not "a nice scenario for NATO". NATO was not interested in a proxy war with Russia, or any confrontation at all. The western countries were building more and more economic links with Russia. Germany abandoned its nuclear reactors and got dependant on Russian gas, they just completed a new 10 billion project and they had no reason to destroy this. I have never read anything suggesting that any European country wants a confrontation with Russia. And actually nobody expected that Putin will ever do something so terrible as invading Ukraine. This invasion is such a terrible thing that Europe had to accept large economic losses, nobody wanted that. It is Putin's fault, he and the Russians who support him started this war.
 
frostbite said:
Sorry, but this line of reasoning is bullshit. It is not "a nice scenario for NATO". NATO was not interested in a proxy war with Russia, or any confrontation at all. The western countries were building more and more economic links with Russia. Germany abandoned its nuclear reactors and got dependant on Russian gas, they just completed a new 10 billion project and they had no reason to destroy this. I have never read anything suggesting that any European country wants a confrontation with Russia. And actually nobody expected that Putin will ever do something so terrible as invading Ukraine. This invasion is such a terrible thing that Europe had to accept large economic losses, nobody wanted that. It is Putin's fault, he and the Russians who support him started this war.
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Well said.
 
frostbite said:
The western countries were building more and more economic links with Russia. Germany abandoned its nuclear reactors and got dependant on Russian gas, they just completed a new 10 billion project and they had no reason to destroy this
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This now looks more like it is 'building dependency on Russia', and it looks like Putin has read it that way...wonder what history will make of what looks like it might turn out as a massive strategic error from a country which leads in Europe?
 
frostbite said:
Sorry, but this line of reasoning is bullshit. It is not "a nice scenario for NATO". NATO was not interested in a proxy war with Russia, or any confrontation at all. The western countries were building more and more economic links with Russia. Germany abandoned its nuclear reactors and got dependant on Russian gas, they just completed a new 10 billion project and they had no reason to destroy this. I have never read anything suggesting that any European country wants a confrontation with Russia. And actually nobody expected that Putin will ever do something so terrible as invading Ukraine. This invasion is such a terrible thing that Europe had to accept large economic losses, nobody wanted that. It is Putin's fault, he and the Russians who support him started this war.
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Yeah, i don't see how this benefits european countries as well. Not to mention some countries have had to massively increase military budgets because of the increased threat.
 
frostbite said:
Sorry, but this line of reasoning is bullshit. It is not "a nice scenario for NATO". NATO was not interested in a proxy war with Russia, or any confrontation at all. The western countries were building more and more economic links with Russia. Germany abandoned its nuclear reactors and got dependant on Russian gas, they just completed a new 10 billion project and they had no reason to destroy this. I have never read anything suggesting that any European country wants a confrontation with Russia. And actually nobody expected that Putin will ever do something so terrible as invading Ukraine. This invasion is such a terrible thing that Europe had to accept large economic losses, nobody wanted that. It is Putin's fault, he and the Russians who support him started this war.
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Great job in Ukraine. Keep it up.
 
Maticmaker said:
This now looks more like it is 'building dependency on Russia', and it looks like Putin has read it that way...wonder what history will make of what looks like it might turn out as a massive strategic error from a country which leads in Europe?
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Germany has been buying Russian/Soviet gas for about 50 years now. This is the most stable relationship between the two countries and made sure that diplomatic channels always stayed open. So it is not new that Germany depends on Russian gas, and you shouldn't see the Nordstream project necessarily as increasing dependency, but as a way to ensure operational security of the pipelines especially against Ukraine who sometimes tended to steal gas when they tried to enforce their will on Gazprom to pay far less than market price for Russian gas.

Had Ukraine be a reliable transit country the incentive for Nordstream would have been much smaller.
 
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