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Nuclear bomb aside, this is actually more aligned with the analysis by Rob Lee and Michael Kofman if I recall their articles correctly.
Yup. Anyone who thinks Ukraine has won this war if both sides settle and lands stay occupied as they are now is misguided. That would be a big loss for Ukraine. Only the future will tell us whether Russia’s gains will have been worth the cost or not.
Nuclear bomb aside, this is actually more aligned with the analysis by Rob Lee and Michael Kofman if I recall their articles correctly.
It sounds positive... But I am not overly hopeful
Ultimately for putin to end this he is going to want sanctions lifted ... I can see him using a ceasefire to resupply troops and then say something along the lines of Ukraine and Russia are happy with the terms but NATO won't lift their sanctions...
Then basically bomb people till NATO lets him use his credit card again
It's certainly more positive than negative but ultimately any settlement is going to have to look at the sanctions and I think the republican hawks in America are prepared to sacrifice a lot of ukranians to be able to blame gas prices on biden
That's not necessarily so.
First, Russia wouldn't be able stay in all the places they are now - e.g. surrounding three-quarters of Kyiv because that'd be a complete non-starter for Ukraine. Second, Ukraine would remain a free and independent state, albeit somewhat reduced in size, instead of ruled by Putin. Third, they'd apply to join the EU and that application would be fast-tracked. Fourth, Russia's military would be weakened compared to pre-invasion ... and considerably weakened politically on the world stage. Fifth, defensive weapons would pour into Ukraine unhindered - and this time they'd include jets and very sophisticated anti-air defence systems.
I'd agree. I honestly don't think the current group of NATO leaders (Biden, Bojo, Macron, Scholz, Trudeau) are have the fortitude or political courage to come to grips with the idea of going to war, and are using article 5 as a way to limit their involvement in Ukraine, while making it appear like they are leaning forward on the matter.
I seem to have missed the Nazi-remark but the overall NATO-theme and Ukrainian military strengthening (Turkish drones for example) were the main core of Russia's calculus, according to Lee/Kofman. And not some restoration of a historical "Greater Russia" which is implied in other analysis.They suggested Ukraine would invade Southern Russia? And that the Ukrainian government is "in essence" Nazis?
This is disturbing, the Russian state news station claims the US will do nothing if they use war crimes level weapons in Ukraine.
How on earth does the Russian public digest this information and still support Putin?
The was a good quote on modern Russia's ideological appeal, or rather the lack of it, by the author of Sapiens- Yuval Noah Harari- that basically said that Putin has NOTHING to offer from an ideological perspective to other nations that's attractive: it's just nationalism and oligarchy.Yup. There’s a reason countries want to continue on a path to Westernisation and look to the EU and NATO for their prosperity and security. If Russia had anything to offer, countries would look to join their racket, sorry I mean trade and security groups.
Love your optimism, but I fear we sleepwalk into a rump state Ukraine with greater political and defensive instability, and both EU and NATO membership still far off in the distance. Just because Ukraine didn’t fall in 72 hours, I think people are overstating their position.That's not necessarily so.
First, Russia wouldn't be able stay in all the places they are now - e.g. surrounding three-quarters of Kyiv because that'd be a complete non-starter for Ukraine. Second, Ukraine would remain a free and independent state, albeit somewhat reduced in size, instead of ruled cby Putin. Third, they'd apply to join the EU and that application would be fast-tracked. Fourth, Russia's military would be weakened compared to pre-invasion ... and considerably weakened politically on the world stage. Fifth, defensive weapons would pour into Ukraine unhindered - and this time they'd include jets and very sophisticated anti-air defence systems.
It actually seems like it on the face of it but reading the article, it's nowhere near as big. They apparently asked for their help but not that recently but more like at the start of the invasion. The article itself doesn't really make it clear.World War 3 it is then - we are all fecked
I didn't say NATO should attack Russia in Ukraine, and I've not questioned the difference between that and arming the Ukranians, there's no need for the attitude.
It would be because most of the wealth comes from the south east and is currently occupied by Russia.
It has to be utterly embarrassing from Russia's perspective, but the Chinese could well use the opportunity to send men to gain enough combat experience like when the Nazis sent the Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War.
Temporarily occupied by Russia. They'd have to permanently keep very large numbers of troops there in order to keep it permanently. They don't have the military resources to do that without being severely weakened elsewhere.
I find it very hard to believe China would even remotely consider sending Chinese troops to Ukraine. The Chinese powers to be would even be very cautious to send any sort of military aid and there will be a lot of division in China itself with regards to Ukraine. Russia & China is very much a marriage of convenience.
No way they'll send official Chinese troops. They might want to beta test their weapons and given what happens with some construction projects in China, this might lead to a lot of 'fodder death'. Perfect for Russia and China - Putin doesn't give a flying feck about his people and China have free non-Chinese guinea pigs.It has to be utterly embarrassing from Russia's perspective, but the Chinese could well use the opportunity to send men to gain enough combat experience like when the Nazis sent the Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War.
I can't see it either. All the more so if America whispers in the Chinese ear: "you send troops to Ukraine, we send troops to Taiwan."
I think the arithmetic is slightly different, especially if China starts supplying weapons to an outright enemy.I'm pretty sure China has figured out that if NATO won't send troops to Ukraine there is no way they are sending them to Taiwan
No way they'll send official Chinese troops. They might want to beta test their weapons and given what happens with some construction projects in China, this might lead to a lot of 'fodder death'. Perfect for Russia and China - Putin doesn't give a flying feck about his people and China have free non-Chinese guinea pigs.
Depressing to even write it out like that but that's what I'd envision might happen.
I'm pretty sure China has figured out that if NATO won't send troops to Ukraine there is no way they are sending them to Taiwan
No way they'll send official Chinese troops. They might want to beta test their weapons and given what happens with some construction projects in China, this might lead to a lot of 'fodder death'. Perfect for Russia and China - Putin doesn't give a flying feck about his people and China have free non-Chinese guinea pigs.
Depressing to even write it out like that but that's what I'd envision might happen.
Hey if America is happy to put the we won't defend Taiwan if you don't send troops to Russia deal officially on the table I'm sure China will take itI'm pretty sure they haven't - not if Chinese troops were to be sent to participate in an invasion of a European country.
Ahmed said he and another Bangladeshi citizen named Jahirul Islam are among nine migrants forced to stay in the center even after the war started more than a week ago. He also claimed that police had beaten them up when they tried to leave the camp last week to flee to Poland.
Over a hundred migrants stay with Ukrainian soldiers
In the Ukrainian town of Kivertsi, around a hundred migrants are staying at another detention center which was converted to a military base recently, according to Bangladeshi and Indian citizens who are detained there.
"Russia has been particularly bombing military bases. That’s why we have been living in constant fear of getting bombed. They have confined us here," Riadh Malik, a Bangladeshi migrant told InfoMigrants, adding: "We are among over a hundred migrants from countries including India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Arab countries."
"Women and children are also staying at the camp," he added.
I'd agree. I honestly don't think the current group of NATO leaders (Biden, Bojo, Macron, Scholz, Trudeau) are have the fortitude or political courage to come to grips with the idea of going to war, and are using article 5 as a way to limit their involvement in Ukraine, while making it appear like they are leaning forward on the matter.
Hmm, let's see how willing China is to help out...
We have to be careful trying to avoid WW2 and instead stumbling into WW1.
Trump would have been a disaster. Putins best friend one day, launching nukes the secondTo be honest (and strange as it sounds), I'm glad Biden is in the seat instead of Obama (feckless) or Trump (impulsive and unhinged).
Trump would have been a disaster. Putins best friend one day, launching nukes the second