Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Closed until at least the 9th apparently. Can't see them ever opening it at this point since the fall will be even more spectacular than if they opened it last Monday.

Was supposed to have re-opened on the 5th and now the 9th? Wow!!
 
The video on this page is a good explanation of how Putin doesn't have the resources to stablize the Ruble.

 
Closed until at least the 9th apparently. Can't see them ever opening it at this point since the fall will be even more spectacular than if they opened it last Monday.

I wonder if the Moscow Exchange has circuit breaker stops. I sincerely hope not.
 
Is it complete fantasy on my end to think that it would be somehow possible to hack mainstream media channels / broadcasts with clips of the atrocities taking place in Ukraine?

I imagine a lot of the older generation will rely on the TV to get their news, so they need to somehow know the reality of what’s going on.

Putins propaganda machine must be stopped.

I am also curious in terms of roughly what % of the Russian public support Putin and his actions? I guess we won’t know because anyone who protests will be reprimanded.

 
Wait? Putin is a double-agent / freedom-fight? Or just a case of self-loathing?

He is fighting the Nazis in Ukraine whilst being a nazi himself?
I wouldn’t call him a Nazi per se. A fascist for sure. But Nazi do thrive under fascism. And yeah, when you look at how Putin describes atrocities that happen in Ukraine you get a strange feeling that he’s describing something that he had seen from out of his window (although it’s unlikely that he has any in his bunker).
 
Don't really know how these things work, but there must be some serious cost/penalty associated with keeping the exchange closed?

"Faith" is important in a stock market. If it is closed for 7 days, it means that all the people who have money there (billions) do not have access to their money. Obviously, whenever they open, any sane person would want to get his money out of there. Basically, Putin has killed the Russian stock market for many years in the future. (Perhaps that's okay in his mind. Did the USSR have a Stock Market? Ha! )
 
I wouldn’t call him a Nazi per se. A fascist for sure. But Nazi do thrive under fascism. And yeah, when you look at how Putin describes atrocities that happen in Ukraine you get a strange feeling that he’s describing something that he had seen from out of his window (although it’s unlikely that he has any in his bunker).

I am curious: Does Putin use any socialist rhetoric when he talks to the Russians? I know that in practice whatever he says means nothing, he is most of all a Mafia Boss. However, I am curious what impression he gives in his speeches regarding the economy, not right now, I mean in the past 2 or 5 years. Would the average Russian think he is a capitalist? a socialist? a communist? what?
 
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I am curious: Does Putin have any socialist rhetoric when he talks to the Russians? I know that in practice whatever he says means nothing, he is most of all a Mafia Boss. However, I am curious about what impression he gives in his speeches, not right now, I mean in the past 2 or 5 years. Would the average Russian think he is a capitalist? a socialist? a communist? what?
No one in their right mind would think of him as a socialist of any kind. Those who like him would not call him a fascist even though it’s the most appropriate technical term — but they’ll probably agree with a conservative authoritarian leader.

He doesn’t have an ideology that defines him. His goal is to accumulate as much power and wealth as possible & everything else is secondary. It’s easier to have an outside force as an existential threat to Russia, so he antagonizes the West. Liberal ideas potentially strip him of his power, so he turns back to conservative ideals & rigid structures of the past. Etc.
 
No one in their right mind would think of him as a socialist of any kind. Those who like him would not call him a fascist even though it’s the most appropriate technical term — but they’ll probably agree with a conservative authoritarian leader.

He doesn’t have an ideology that defines him. His goal is to accumulate as much power and wealth as possible & everything else is secondary. It’s easier to have an outside force as an existential threat to Russia, so he antagonizes the West. Liberal ideas potentially strip him of his power, so he turns back to conservative ideals & rigid structures of the past. Etc.

I see. Fatherland, family, history, heroes, traditions, etc.
 
Interesting listening to the former PM Gordon Brown calling for a Nuremberg type War Crimes to be immediately set up for Putin.
While it may initially seem a bit far fetched, it is definitely something which should be done.
He outlines the process by which it could be set up without Putin being there. And if found guilty of war crimes, Putin and those associated with his actions could be arrested.

He rightly says that it will send a very strong message to him and his supporters that they are going to be held to account for their actions and that he will become even more isolated as they desert him.
 
No one in their right mind would think of him as a socialist of any kind. Those who like him would not call him a fascist even though it’s the most appropriate technical term — but they’ll probably agree with a conservative authoritarian leader.

He doesn’t have an ideology that defines him. His goal is to accumulate as much power and wealth as possible & everything else is secondary. It’s easier to have an outside force as an existential threat to Russia, so he antagonizes the West. Liberal ideas potentially strip him of his power, so he turns back to conservative ideals & rigid structures of the past. Etc.

This is why I do not really understand why there hasn't been more backlash against him and his oligarch cronies over the past 20 years - what rightfully belongs to the Russian people (wealth in resources) has been continuously stolen from under their noses, yet only really Navalny comes to mind when it comes to protesting/opposing him. My point here is, I think, that if that wasn't enough to sow discontent among the people enough to topple the regime, why would it be so now (or in a few months when the sanctions and losses of servicemen explode)? It seems to me like too many are accepting of Putin and everything he does. Why would that now change?
 
Well they could set a great firewall like the China does. It would help promote their propaganda to brainwash their people for sure.

You know in the eyes of billions of Chinese people, it is the Western propaganda (those we feed into everyday) which is evil. No kidding, majority of Chinese people there are in support of the Russian, and thinks NATO is the cause of the whole Ukraine war mess, while war crimes against civilians are mostly committed by Ukraine soldiers (Neo-Nazi) in order to gain global support. So it works for them, no matter how twisted it sounds to us.

That's not what I've heard from my Chinese contacts at all. It's more a case of Ukraine being seeing as a victim of the fight between US and Russia with a heavy spin on the US agenda naturally.

You can't post anti Russia content but they've been censoring pro Russia content as well. Enforced neutrality but blame the US as much as you want.
 
This is why I do not really understand why there hasn't been more backlash against him and his oligarch cronies over the past 20 years - what rightfully belongs to the Russian people (wealth in resources) has been continuously stolen from under their noses, yet only really Navalny comes to mind when it comes to protesting/opposing him. My point here is, I think, that if that wasn't enough to sow discontent among the people enough to topple the regime, why would it be so now (or in a few months when the sanctions and losses of servicemen explode)? It seems to me like too many are accepting of Putin and everything he does. Why would that now change?
Because in the active phase of accumulating resources he was lucky to have a prolonged period of high oil & gas prices — by sending some of the profits to people he was able to gain a lot of popular vote (there were many reasons but it's one of them). People that lived in USSR and then barely survived throughout the desperately poor 90's were happy to receive anything at all.

At this rate we're going back to the 90's (if not lower) economically — after living 20 years in relative comfort. So yeah, it can lead to some potential uprising.
 


I don't know why he gets so much shit from some for keeping a line of communication. It's not like he believes all he's told or that he's holding back on sanctions or anything as a result of it. Is it preferable for all lines to be severed?
 
I don't know why he gets so much shit from some for keeping a line of communication. It's not like he believes all he's told or that he's holding back on sanctions or anything as a result of it. Is it preferable for all lines to be severed?

Agree, I think it is important someone is keeping an open line of dialog with him.
 
I don't know why he gets so much shit from some for keeping a line of communication. It's not like he believes all he's told or that he's holding back on sanctions or anything as a result of it. Is it preferable for all lines to be severed?

And the text of the tweet is also a bit strange since in the article they state that Bennett is the other mediator between Russia and the West.
 
That's not what I've heard from my Chinese contacts at all. It's more a case of Ukraine being seeing as a victim of the fight between US and Russia with a heavy spin on the US agenda naturally.

You can't post anti Russia content but they've been censoring pro Russia content as well. Enforced neutrality but blame the US as much as you want.
Not really, I am 100% sure that's not the case in China right now. Although many over there are against the war and killing of civilians, they blame it most on US/NATO/Ukraine government instead. That's not hard to see due to the following reasons:

- US/West are their biggest enemy, Russian are their friendly neighbour. They believe US is by far the biggest terrorist in the world, with the killing of most civilians over past decades or so (from their invasion on numerous countries). And they believe if Russian is fallen, it would be their turn to be surrounded by threat of NATO (their enemies) in future.
- They hate western intervention/propaganda on numerous issues against them over the years: Taiwan sovereignty, Hong Kong protest, Xinjiang cotton, Trade war
- Their current popular view is, US/NATO/Ukraine Neo-Nazi are the cause of the conflict as it present a big threat to safety of Russian people, and Ukraine government/soldiers are the ones who are committing those war crimes.
- They idolise Putin, probably more than Russian people do.
- China is essentially socialist country run by communist party, they are very happy with their government, and hate any western intervention/propaganda against them. Their rise of economical power in recent years/decade, and relative success over controlling breakout of COVID in their country, further reinforce their faith on their own government, rather than the west.
 
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And the text of the tweet is also a bit strange since in the article they state that Bennett is the other mediator between Russia and the West.

Bennet even went to Moscow in the middle of the war. If Macron did that people would be calling him Putin's lapdog and shiet.
 


No one is purely good or evil, including the Ukranians. There's a lot of racism in the world and while it's more subtle in the West of Europe, it's more overt in Eastern Europe. The war was unlikely to change any of that in the blink of an eye. It's sad and it's even more sad that I can't even be shocked by it any more.
 
BBC are reporting that the evacuation corridors lead to... Russia and Belarus.
 
Do we have any images of the camps in Russia? In one of the fact checks tweets shared a few days ago, it was mentioned that Pro russians families were sent to Russia in rudimentary camps but I haven't seen it mentioned since.
 
Agree, I think it is important someone is keeping an open line of dialog with him.
Absolutely. Europe needs someone who can talk with him. He's not going to go away magically as much as we wish. Some kind of settlement will be needed for the shooting to stop.
 
This is a great read on the work behind keeping the railways in the country mostly operational:

 
Not really, I am 100% sure that's not the case in China right now. Although many over there are against the war and killing of civilians, they blame it most on US/NATO/Ukraine government instead. That's not hard to see due to the following reasons:

- US/West are their biggest enemy, Russian are their friendly neighbour. They believe US is by far the biggest terrorist in the world, with the killing of most civilians over past decades or so (from their invasion on numerous countries). And they believe if Russian is fallen, it would be their turn to be surrounded by threat of NATO (their enemies) in future.
- They hate western intervention/propaganda on numerous issues against them over the years: Taiwan sovereignty, Hong Kong protest, Xinjiang cotton, Trade war
- Their current popular view is, US/NATO/Ukraine Neo-Nazi are the cause of the conflict as it present a big threat to safety of Russian people, and Ukraine government/soldiers are the ones who are committing those war crimes.
- They idolise Putin, probably more than Russian people do.
- China is essentially socialist country run by communist party, they are very happy with their government, and hate any western intervention/propaganda against them. Their rise of economical power in recent years/decade, and relative success over controlling breakout of COVID in their country, further reinforce their faith on their own government, rather than the west.

Well like i said I'm going off several Chinese friends in China including the son of a very senior regional official. I get a very open view from them, good and bad, on what normal people think so I'll trust that over distant musings unless you're in China yourself.

The issue is relying on their heavily bias media to guess the views of others. Can you imagine what people would think if they just took Daily Mail and Fox News as sources. Even then you'll find peace and respecting sovereignty pushed, that's as much of a slam to Russia as you'll get. They're not calling it a military operation or any of that bollocks.

They've been censoring pro russia comments for some time on Weibo. The most support you'll get is they source RT too much so stories like Zelenskyy fleeing Ukraine will make their media.