It has nothing to do with that for you.
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It has nothing to do with that for you.
What a bizarre take.
I hope that the figures above are all true! But 900 armored personnel carriers? Can this be accurate? On the other hand, Javelins are very lethal and during the last 2 months the Ukrainian army was preparing, so who knows?...
I would be amazed if those numbers were even remotely accurate, sadly.
There’s definitely an element of Western hypocrisy in the reporting, and a racial element in freedom fighting vs terrorism. Imagine British Kashmiris went en masse to fight for Kashmir. I wonder how many would have their passports revoked, or be designated as terrorists.
Even if it is half, it seems a lot , and there is still, if it happens, an urban battle in Kiev+Karkhov, a landing in Odessa and Dnipro, which for the moment has gone unnoticed and by all accounts is very entrenched
This is true... It is also notable though that China and India do account for 2.8 billion people ... Or a putting it another way around 35% of the world population .... Factor in the populations of all the countries who were not in favour of the resolution and you have quite a few
Countries that voted against the resolution
Russia
Belarus
North Korea
Eritrea
Syria
Countries that abstained
Algeria
Angola
Armenia
Bangladesh
Bolivia
Burundi
Central African Republic
China
Congo
Cuba
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
India
Iran
Iraq
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Madagascar
Mali
Mongolia
Mozambique
Namibia
Nicaragua
Pakistan
Senegal
South Africa
South Sudan
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Uganda
Vietnam
Zimbabwe
Anyway it breaks down if you look at it by population that around 54% of the world's representatives did not back the resolution
Of course you could spin the same stats and say only 5 out of 193 or less than 3% of members voted against it.
Lies damn lies and statistics as they say.... But for sure the fact that there is some very large countries (by population) it can be said that there is a majority not in favour and a huge majority of non NATO countries not in favour of the UN resolution
I'm not drawing a comparison, those Al Queda types and the Hamas attacks on civillians etc are not the same as what the Ukrainian solider did. He actually WAS valiant.
It was just odd to hear it said.
Honestly, i feel guilty about that too.
lets not even discuss it in this thread. i feel bad, because it kind of takes attention away from Ukraine.
Not really. It was 2 on Tuesday and close to 500 on Wednesday. Not in between, just that the number of official deaths increases.
I am pretty sure that the number is in the thousands. Russia is a machine of propaganda, and UK/US sources think that the number of Russian casualties is significant. It probably is not as much as Ukraine says, but it has to be in the thousands.
Objectively it has nothing to do with it. I appreciate that seeing the reporting of this conflict may raise questions for some about how other reporting is carried out but this conflict itself objectively has nothing to do with Muslims going to fight elsewhere.
Fair play and I don't mean to minimize the double standards that undoubtedly happen in how these things are reported. You're certainly not wrong there. I just don't feel great about the focus being shifted from the horrors ongoing right now.
Starting to sound like Argentina:
You have 30 posts in this thread. Zero of them about Russia's invasion to Ukraine, so you seem to be an expert on hypocrisy.
In what way?
To be fair £3 coffee in the UK is barely drinkable.
As well as the planes - 30 is a humongous number for one week
It's an absolute joke, isn't it? Some people just cannot help but bang about their misfortunes on every single occasion. Pathetic stuff.
16000 foreign volunteers fighting on the Ukrainian side, according to Zelenskyy.
Considering Russia has deployed similar number troops that US had done for Iraq and Ukraine has more firepower, numbers may be high but i certainly dont think its that high. Plus air force is not yet involved heavily so fighter plane and helicopter number is definitely wrong.
So apparently Russian planes have violated Swedish airspace during an exercise.
Putin's in for a rude shock if he thinks he's going to walk over the Swedes and the Finns. Sweden in particular is well armed.
Hope they join NATO asap.
Putin's in for a rude shock if he thinks he's going to walk over the Swedes and the Finns. Sweden in particular is well armed.
Hope they join NATO asap.
Not sure why you're making excuses for Putin or claiming his actions in Ukraine are understandable.
You say 'If NATO doesn't back off' as if they are the agressor. How about Putin backs off?
Depends where you go, Wibbs. Some good coffee shops around. The mainstream ones like Costa and Starbucks are awful though.
Lavrov is claiming that the west is preparing for war and that leaders of the west is thinking of starting a nuclear war. They are propably implementing Martial Law in Russia soon, and preparing their population for that I think.
yep you‘ve had some stellar contributions to this thread yourself:
you are really fcking stupid arent you.
And this is before you were schooled before the invasion kicked off by Florida Man.
It might not to you but clearly this conflict has an associated impact on others, you really shouldn't be denying the validity of those feelings/stressors.
I know anything that comes across as anti-west riles some up but a bit of empathy and understanding wouldn't be the worst thing.
personally I don’t think anyone is or was arguing it in terms of ‘objectively’ or that it is shifting focus. It’s possibly to be concerned or care about many atrocities and I don’t think it’s wrong to point out the hypocrisies or personal feelings of certain groups or people. Plus many of the issues and concerns that Muslims face aren’t conflicts that have happened years ago but issues that are still ongoing and are a very real part of daily life. But that’s for another thread and I’d echo @Zlatattack that it’s best to discuss that in another thread.
Do not let anyone guilt you into feeling bad, it's a valid point and the discourse has a place because it Puts into perspective the hypocrisy of being behind fighting a war between other countries, when it's in fact illegal in this country to do so, and an act of terrorism to pick up a weapon on a battlefield anywhere else in the world.
I couldn't hope to get it the way you do of course but I absolutely understand and agree with what you're saying. I hate the way these politicians rip people apart using religion for their gains. What's happening here was well under the current govt infuriates me so much that I don't even feel anything for my country anymore. Even Hindus who hate what's happening can't speak about it openly or in social media so I can totally understand how bad it is for Muslims. It's just that what's happening in Ukraine is happening now and it doesn't feel right to bring other issues into it.
Could be true. Russia didn't throw their most modern tanks at this, they used a few older tanks and lots of lighter armour presumably because they knew Ukraine would be fighting with outdated Soviet era equipment, and they didn't think they would put up much of a fight. They didn't count on all this new equipment being donated that can cut through a BTR like it's cardboard.
Can we leave the what ifs and hypocrisy debate till after Russia gets the feck out of Ukraine?
Yes, it's clear the West hasn't done everything right in the past years, but that doesn't give Russia an excuse to bomb the feck out of civilians.
Yes, it's clear the West hasn't done everything right in the past years, but that doesn't give Russia an excuse to bomb the feck out of civilians.
Who’s saying it gives an excuse for Russia to invade? Has anyone said that?
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