Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

The more that Russia destroys, maims, injures and kills their brothers and sisters in Ukraine, the more hate they are building up and the more difficult it is going to be to maintain their control once the fighting stops.
What they are doing absolutely disgusts me and the rest of the free world.
 
The more that Russia destroys, maims, injures and kills their brothers and sisters in Ukraine, the more hate they are building up and the more difficult it is going to be to maintain their control once the fighting stops.
What they are doing absolutely disgusts me and the rest of the free world.

The fighting will never stop

Wars creates extremism.

The slaughter, the atrocities, the agony the Russians are piling on the Ukrainian people will naturally create Ukrainian groups harbouring extreme hatred towards Russia and the fight continues for as long as the Russians are their.
 
Yeah it's great news especially since Russia will definitely think "oh look at that brave civilians from Nato countries armed with Nato weapons who are definitely casual brave civilians and not trained Nato solders". This will definitely deescalate the crisis.

And before someone says to me Sweden is not a Nato member, I know that but those Foreign Legion solders comes from all Europe including Britain for which Johnson said that they will arm every man who volunteers to fight in those legions.
Keep crying.
 
The fighting will never stop

Wars creates extremism.

The slaughter, the atrocities, the agony the Russians are piling on the Ukrainian people will naturally create Ukrainian groups harbouring extreme hatred towards Russia and the fight continues for as long as the Russians are their.

Yes indeed.
And this time, the rest of the free world will want to hold Russia and Putin accountable for what he is doing.
 
The more that Russia destroys, maims, injures and kills their brothers and sisters in Ukraine, the more hate they are building up and the more difficult it is going to be to maintain their control once the fighting stops.
What they are doing absolutely disgusts me and the rest of the free world.
This is my greatest fear as well. The longer this goes the harder it will be to de-escalate. It is so frustrating, it is obvious most of the combatants and casualties are unwilling party to this but the longer this goes on, the hatred will become real and may take generations to heal. All thanks to a dictator.
 
nobody would give a feck if muslims were starting to aid a muslim country in the war against another muslim country that's the oppressor...can't understand why you make this about religion - it really isn't @Zlatattack
 
The goal here is to turn the Russian people against Putin and the war as much as possible. We're not getting these repeated videos of Russian soldiers calling home for no reason. And in fact the EU has discussed proposals to try and create a brain drain from Russia into the rest of Europe. They actively want to lure highly qualified Russians into their countries.

What you're proposing seems (amongst many other things) insanely conterproductive and stupid in terms of the actual approach at play here. Putin is trying to convince Russia they're fighting Nazis and you want to do the heavy lifting for him by putting Russians who have done nothing wrong into internment camps.
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Egypt and Russia are on the same side in Libya. And they have an important trade partnership. Egypt relies massively on Russia's wheat.

Nothing surprising in Iran vote. They can't vote for the resolution, they'd be supporting the US. And they can't vote against it, it would be support for Russia's actions in Ukraine. It makes no sense for the Iranian regime to be constantly denouncing KSA and Israel's war crimes and occupation in Yemen & Palestine only to turn around and support the exact same thing when Russia is the perpetrator. These regimes have to make some sense to keep their propaganda alive.

Yeah fair points all round, . Obviously they wouldn’t vote for it though.
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Imagine if this was Muslims going to defend a Muslim country...

But didn’t loads of muslims sign up to fight in Syria? Like whole swathes of Europeans.

Just wasn’t a country they were defending I suppose, but still very similar.
 
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Imagine if this was Muslims going to defend a Muslim country...
Ugh, why use a conflict like this for your own agenda? Islamophobia is a thing, yes, but what the feck does it have to do with thousands of Ukrainians being slaughtered. Don't make this about something else - be better.
 
With Oil Discovery in Black Sea and Shell discovery in Russian dominated Donbask region, this was inevitable.

After Crimean peninsula fell, Ukraine stopped water supply and it is now fast turning into barren land. Russia needs to occupy coastal Black sea area and canal region to safeguard its oil interests in Crimea.

Plus post 2014, Donbask has seen ethical tension. This made it easy for Russia to move in. Shell discovery in Donbask makes it even more valuable.

There is no way Russia will allow Ukraine to be NATO member as this will leave open almost 2300km border area which is not easily defendable . NATO can cut supply from Caspian sea in the event of War quite easily. Plus its ally Belarus will be completely exposed to NATO aggression.

Its actually easy to understand why Russia invaded Ukraine. Oil interest and threat to its own land. Something US has done on multiple counts. With NATO flirting with Ukraine for NATO membership, this was inevitable. If NATO doesn’t back off, this will be catastrophic as Russia wont back down and looking at their geographical issues, they are not entirely wrong. US threatened nuclear war when Cuba was putting USSR missiles and punished Cuba severely post that.

Most likely Russia will occupy coastal area near Black Sea and the two region which has declared independence. This will ensure Ukraine cant do anything in future and ensure water supply to Crimea.

Maybe its not easy for European and American audience to understand but NATO is seen as hostile by non NATO members. With entire Indian subcontinent, China abstaining, it shows how little trust is there with western powers when countries can’t openly condemn blatant invasion.
 
I’m not a Muslim but my wife is and it’s difficult even with that personal relationship to comprehend how hard that can be for her. She’s broke down in the past few days due to this war because of how it is being perceived in the UK, not just by the government but in the workplace and social space too. There is a genuine fear that if you are a Muslim who comes out supporting a Muslim nation in a war or in the case of Israel/Palestine etc. that you will be labelled as a terrorist and it has happened. She, along with everyone else at her work has been offered support or someone to chat to due to the Ukraine/Russia conflict, but weren’t offered it for other conflicts. I don’t think it can be ignored that countries in Europe such as the UK are treating this differently to other wars and conflicts. I can’t really say I understand because I don’t being a white non-Muslim compared to her as a non-white Muslim but I can and have noticed similar hypocrisies. I imagine it can be linked to people feeling that this is much ‘closer’ to home but yeah. Obviously the situations of Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine are more nuanced than a direct comparison but I feel for her and others in the same boat, as too for the people of Ukraine etc.
 
nobody would give a feck if muslims were starting to aid a muslim country in the war against another muslim country that's the oppressor...can't understand why you make this about religion - it really isn't @Zlatattack
It was actually illegal for them to do so in the UK.
 
Maybe its not easy for European and American audience to understand but NATO is seen as hostile by non NATO members. With entire Indian subcontinent, China abstaining, it shows how little trust is there with western powers when countries can’t openly condemn blatant invasion.

To be fair, these countries are extremely outnumbered by the number who voted yes on the resolution so you can't say that all non-NATO members are seeing it the same way when it comes to this particular war. When the only people who voted no are North Korea, Belarus, Eritrea, and Assad's Syria are voting against it, that's not the group one would in any way want to be seen to be similar to.

It's understandable why Indians see NATO in a negative light but countries that are successful shed the victim/loser mentality and look forward to advocate for their values. Countries can't afford to be stuck airing grievances from the past in such a fast-changing world. At the end of the day, the Russians won't stop China from annexing more Indian land, this is just a fact. Russian weapons are going to be surpassed by Chinese weapons in the long run, so relying so much on the former for military support is a bad idea.

When it comes to Ukraine, this is a case of democracy vs. autocracy and if the latter is unopposed, this will embolden other autocracies to initiate military actions to achieve political objectives. As the world's "largest democracy", India will at some point have to learn how to advocate for these values, even if the current reticence to call out Russia is understandable due to the economic and military factors. Then again, for all the talk about American democracy being in danger, India is in a much worse position when it comes to potentially losing its democracy so it may not have to worry about advocating for this system in the future anyways.
 
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I’m not a Muslim but my wife is and it’s difficult even with that personal relationship to comprehend how hard that can be for her. She’s broke down in the past few days due to this war because of how it is being perceived in the UK, not just by the government but in the workplace and social space too. There is a genuine fear that if you are a Muslim who comes out supporting a Muslim nation in a war or in the case of Israel/Palestine etc. that you will be labelled as a terrorist and it has happened. She, along with everyone else at her work has been offered support or someone to chat to due to the Ukraine/Russia conflict, but weren’t offered it for other conflicts. I don’t think it can be ignored that countries in Europe such as the UK are treating this differently to other wars and conflicts. I can’t really say I understand because I don’t being a white non-Muslim compared to her as a non-white Muslim but I can and have noticed similar hypocrisies. I imagine it can be linked to people feeling that this is much ‘closer’ to home but yeah. Obviously the situations of Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine are more nuanced than a direct comparison but I feel for her and others in the same boat, as too for the people of Ukraine etc.

People hate to talk about it but there is a real racial element to this conflict and people can't just chalk it up to Russian disinformation. Especially when you now have heard many stories of discrimination against non-Ukrainians (of a darker skin color) not being given a chance to board trains/buses/cross borders etc. Furthermore, it's clear that the fact this is happening to a European country makes it far likelier for the stronger Western countries to provide aid (although the Ukrainians are still held in a lower regard by some Europeans). Ultimately though, the visible signs of racism in Ukraine are a cancer that Zelensky will have to cut out, if it is allowed to metastasize it can undo a lot of the goodwill towards the country in the long run.
 
It was actually illegal for them to do so in the UK.

I have no idea about the situation in the UK, but as far as I know the german situation, only people who supported terrorist groups had troubles coming back again.
 
It was actually illegal for them to do so in the UK.

Because they were off joining terrorist organisations or unrecognised entities. Going to fight for Ukraine - whilst moronic if you’re remotely untrained - is a different thing entirely.
 
People hate to talk about it but there is a real racial element to this conflict and people can't just chalk it up to Russian disinformation. Especially when you now have heard many stories of discrimination against non-Ukrainians (of a darker skin color) not being given a chance to board trains/buses/cross borders etc. Furthermore, it's clear that the fact this is happening to a European country makes it far likelier for the stronger Western countries to provide aid (although the Ukrainians are still held in a lower regard by some Europeans). Ultimately though, the visible signs of racism in Ukraine are a cancer that Zelensky will have to cut out, if it is allowed to metastasize it can undo a lot of the goodwill towards the country in the long run.
There is no racial element to this conflict. There are racist issues in Ukraine, partially enhanced and/or put in the spotlight due to this conflict.
 
The staggering statistic is about 4,300 dead (or casualties overall) and counting.:eek:

And just to give everyone an idea, the US had 4,507 service members killed during the entire Iraq War.
your point being?
And what would happen then?
nobody would give a feck if muslims were starting to aid a muslim country in the war against another muslim country that's the oppressor...can't understand why you make this about religion - it really isn't @Zlatattack
Yeah fair points all round, . Obviously they wouldn’t vote for it though.


But didn’t loads of muslims sign up to fight in Syria? Like whole swathes of Europeans.

Just wasn’t a country they were defending I suppose, but still very similar.
Ugh, why use a conflict like this for your own agenda? Islamophobia is a thing, yes, but what the feck does it have to do with thousands of Ukrainians being slaughtered. Don't make this about something else - be better.
Spinning this with a religious angle, christ

You guys don't get it, you've not walked in my shoes or lived my life. My comments have nothing to do with support for Ukraine, Ukraine deserves all the support it can get. I'm just shocked by the contrast in reactions. Nation states are facilitating people to go defend Ukraine. I spent my whole life terrified of the consequences of expressing support for people in Kashmir or Palestine. If I had ever dared to say Muslims should take up arms to defend people in Kashmir or Palestine, i'd be rotting in a prison cell. Regardless of how I felt, i could never express those feelings. We don't even express such feelings amongst friends or family, because a private conversation today can lead to a public comment tomorrow and then you've got the state down your throat labelling you a terrorist.

What you guys feel today i've felt for 20 years, but have been terrified to even say out loud because of the legal repercussions. I feel like a complete, utter second class citizen in my own home.

I’m not a Muslim but my wife is and it’s difficult even with that personal relationship to comprehend how hard that can be for her. She’s broke down in the past few days due to this war because of how it is being perceived in the UK, not just by the government but in the workplace and social space too. There is a genuine fear that if you are a Muslim who comes out supporting a Muslim nation in a war or in the case of Israel/Palestine etc. that you will be labelled as a terrorist and it has happened. She, along with everyone else at her work has been offered support or someone to chat to due to the Ukraine/Russia conflict, but weren’t offered it for other conflicts. I don’t think it can be ignored that countries in Europe such as the UK are treating this differently to other wars and conflicts. I can’t really say I understand because I don’t being a white non-Muslim compared to her as a non-white Muslim but I can and have noticed similar hypocrisies. I imagine it can be linked to people feeling that this is much ‘closer’ to home but yeah. Obviously the situations of Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine are more nuanced than a direct comparison but I feel for her and others in the same boat, as too for the people of Ukraine etc.

It was actually illegal for them to do so in the UK.

These guys get it.
 
Because they were off joining terrorist organisations or unrecognised entities. Going to fight for Ukraine - whilst moronic if you’re remotely untrained - is a different thing entirely.

This is it - our resistance is labelled as terrorists.

The other day the Sky News was doing a bit showing how Ukrainian resistance is making molotov cocktails, they were sharing the whole recipe and the process. Meanwhile when i was at Uni, i heard about a foreign student who was doing a PhD related to terrorism who was deported for downloading a manual freely available from the fBI website as part of his research.

A Ukrainian suicide bomber the other day was described as valiant. What he did, was indeed valiant, but its very odd to hear it described as such on TV.
 
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9,000 men is an outrageous figure considering that they have only taken one major city
 
To be fair, these countries are extremely outnumbered by the number who voted yes on the resolution so you can't say that all non-NATO members are seeing it the same way when it comes to this particular war. When the only people who voted no are North Korea, Belarus, Eritrea, and Assad's Syria are voting against it, that's not the group one would in any way want to be seen to be similar to.

It's understandable why Indians see NATO in a negative light but countries that are successful shed the victim/loser mentality and look forward to advocate for their values. Countries can't afford to be stuck airing grievances from the past in such a fast-changing world. At the end of the day, the Russians won't stop China from annexing more Indian land, this is just a fact. Russian weapons are going to be surpassed by Chinese weapons in the long run, so relying so much on the former for military support is a bad idea.

When it comes to Ukraine, this is a case of democracy vs. autocracy and if the latter is unopposed, this will embolden other autocracies to initiate military actions to achieve political objectives. As the world's "largest democracy", India will at some point have to learn how to advocate for these values, even if the current reticence to call out Russia is understandable due to the economic and military factors. Then again, for all the talk about American democracy being in danger, India is in a much worse position when it comes to potentially losing its democracy so it may not have to worry about advocating for this system in the future anyways.
Yeah we are hearing about this since the 1970’s from western world that our democracy will collapse.

As far as China is concerned, India has to do it alone just like Ukraine. NATO works for country which are small and have smaller armies and it has nothing to do with loser mentality. Infact countries which cant defend their own borders need NATO help ( or US help). As an Indian, i wouldn’t want my country to be dragged into NATO wars all around the world on whims and wishes of US.

We are fine with our neutrality and do not like countries dictating our foreign policy. And dont worry we are doing fine and
are used to moral lectures from western countries on how to run our democratic system. Russia is doing what US has done on multiple accounts. Most of the world who aren’t European and American can see it. But people in these countries on their high moral pedestal cant see it.

Just for example, US lied and led NATO invasion of Iraq for oil and arms Saudis to bomb Yemen for Oil. Threatened Cuba and destroyed its economy because it didnt like countries around its influence was having relationship with USSR. But Russia is bad because its doing something similar. Right answer is both are wrong and non NATO member like us should stay away from your wars.
 
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You guys don't get it, you've not walked in my shoes or lived my life. My comments have nothing to do with support for Ukraine, Ukraine deserves all the support it can get. I'm just shocked by the contrast in reactions. Nation states are facilitating people to go defend Ukraine. I spent my whole life terrified of the consequences of expressing support for people in Kashmir or Palestine. If I had ever dared to say Muslims should take up arms to defend people in Kashmir or Palestine, i'd be rotting in a prison cell. Regardless of how I felt, i could never express those feelings. We don't even express such feelings amongst friends or family, because a private conversation today can lead to a public comment tomorrow and then you've got the state down your throat labelling you a terrorist.

What you guys feel today i've felt for 20 years, but have been terrified to even say out loud because of the legal repercussions. I feel like a complete, utter second class citizen in my own home.





These guys get it.
But this has nothing to do with that. Making this horrendous conflict and loss of life about something else is shameful to be honest.
 
9,000 men is an outrageous figure considering that they have only taken one major city

Yea I raised this yesterday - we’ve had Russian estimates between 2(!) and 450-500 and Ukrainian estimates (of Russian casualties) between 4,500 and now 9,000. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
 
This is it - our resistance is labelled as terrorists.

The other day the Sky News was doing a bit showing how Ukrainian resistance is making molotov cocktails, they were sharing the whole recipe and the process. Meanwhile when i was at Uni, i heard about a foreign student who was doing a PhD related to terrorism who was deported for downloading a manual freely available from the fBI website as part of his research.

A Ukrainian suicide bomber the other day was described as valiant.


While I have sympathy for your situation Zlatattack I must disagree with the bolded part of your comment.

You absolutely cannot compare what happened with the Ukrainian guy and the bridge, and the suicide bombers that have been part of the mainly Muslim terror attacks. These are designed to cause horror, and death on mainly civilian populations.

The Ukrainian guy was not intending to be a suicide bomber, his intent was to demolish a bridge.

I think you do have points worthy of discussion though, but another thread about double standards may be a better place for it