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So it does seem like captured Russian POW's are telling the truth? Bizarre stuff.
It’s almost like people don’t realise quite how close the two countries are because they think you have to travel west to go from Russia to the US…Great news if true!
Boiling frog….
Most def. But then, I fail to see how a burned Russia is Russia to its glory days, which is one of the three reasons, I feel we might not have a nuclear war.
Poor Ukrainians though. Kyiv could have the same fate as Grozny/Aleppo.
Its what Putiin is banking on. People in the West being afraid to engage due to escalation fears, thereby allowing him to gleefully slaughter as many as Ukrainians as he feels like.
I've reported this to our comrades in the whataboutism thread.
We should, but we are running out of time since Putin is about to pulverize most Ukrainian cities into submission within the next 72 hours, which may unfortunately not give NATO any time to intervene.
Yep. If the West start directly hurting/killing russians, that could be considered an act of war. The convoy was just another show.
You seriously suppose starting another world war? Or am I misunderstanding your intention?
I hope you are correct.
The vehicle you really don’t want to be driving in that convoy is a fuel tanker; minimal armour and easily the best target for a bloke with an AT weapon as destroying a tanker has the ability to stop multiple armoured vehicles by removing their fuel supply.
feels almost inevitable at this point as its encircled - there is a huge convoy of artillery on the way... and NATO is shrugging its shoulders and at most considering some extra sanctions
Fully expect it to be a pile of rubble and Zelenski dead by the time the next Ukraine / Russia talks take place with the talks basically being surrender or we move onto another city...
Where is the line in the sand? What after ukraine he goes after another non nato european country then another and another?
They had the S-400 in Belarus, no clue if they've moved any into Ukraine. It's a modern, very capable anti-air system and its radar and missiles can go out to hundreds of km.
Even Buk will quite happily take out Apaches and subsonic drones.
If only war was that easy...
I agree, I think we should call Putin's nuclear bluff and defend Ukraine. That's easy to say from here, of course. Why isn't Putin the one who has to worry about NATO nukes? And he brings Belarus but Ukraine can't have any allies? That's ridiculous.
Nobody wants ww3. But technically it would be Putin that started it. Would love to be a fly on the wall of security meetings in western countries right now.
The first wave of Russian attack over the past 6 days has pretty much been woefully incompetent, replete with surrendering soldiers, running out of fuel, lack of morale, and generally getting beaten back by Ukrainians with lesser arms but far greater enthusiasim. The 2nd wave of Russian attack which focuses on aerial strikes, heavy artillery, and entrenched urban combat, may be a completely different story.
NATO is for NATO members, not anybody else - that's the line. Right now, we're not just watching him do his thing either.
Thank you for that. I was referring to the RAF figures which show it to be quite a bit higher than Typhoon for example, despite Typhoon being twin engine.
This could be from a comedy, except we're watching on with thoughts and prayers until they have finally limped to Kyiv and sack the city..
It might take
War? no no, its called a "Special Operation" or something.
who gives a shit about whom has started ww3 if we're all dead?
can't believe people are so eager to die and especially are willing to let billions of people suffer with them...
I think he is worried about those nukes, but he cultivated an image in which he is the guy who plays by the rules of "Either I win or we all lose." If he really would push the button if we intervened and bombed his troops back to Russia, I really don't know and that is the problem I think no one really knows what he is capable off and if he really would rather see the world burn than not be the king of it.
Also, the first map on the right, the one with the map of europe on it, is titled NATO and US airforce groupment in Europe.
Not sure how strategic a location we are ? And also indebted? If they want to come and repossess their highways and overpass they are welcome to come for them
Just making the point that if you let Russia land grab state by state, at what point do you decide it’s time to intervene?
Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine…Lithuania, Slovakia, Estonia, Romania?
If they do it incrementally, one per decade before letting relations settle and the world adjust to the new normal and then move onto the next you will always have people saying “it’s not worth it they have nukes”.
I like this:
I don't think that's his character, to rule the world or see it burn. I think he knows the West is afraid to face Russian troops because of those nukes. He's a cold, calculating reptile who cares deeply about his own wealth and power. I don't think he's the sort to end the world. That video posted about his personality said he wouldn't launch, or even move the danger of launch to 20%, but if he thought he could get political power from moving that threat from 1-3% he would do it because he's a risk taker.
Excellent point and wouldn't be surprised if this was their play given what they did to Crimea and Georgia.
?? As I said it before, it's about NATO members. That's the whole point of NATO...the last 4 countries you mentioned are NATO
And we already let them take Georgia. This isn't the end.
That can't be real?
To a crazy person, like Putin has seemed to have become, such outcomes are unlikely because he believes that the West/ NATO in particular, won't go to war with him over Ukraine. However if they do and he goes down (in whatever history is left in the world) as the man who tried to restore 'Mother Russia' to her former greatness...and he'd probably be happy to sign off with that!
It's not the 1st time it has happened.
What do you mean?
It's real.
I agree he isn't as deranged as some videos suggest that his propaganda apparatus posted, but that it's a bluff. That being said, I also have no idea how he would react if we decided to send in the drones and take out his tank convoy, which imo would a doable support, even without risking our own troops.
He'd react by shooting them down. It wouldn't be difficult. That convoy isn't not going to have anti-air.