Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I think Putin has really misread Ukrainian people and their opinion on Russian invasion. I guess even whom he doesn’t consider Banderas don’t want anything to do with Russia.

He can’t exactly pull out now which is why I think, soon; we’ll see a shift in strategy - to wage a bloodbath, as winning hearts and minds goes out the window.
 
Deery said:
The icing on the cake would be a Lukaku winner on Sunday but to reveal a blue and yellow Ukrainian tee shirt underneath his kit.
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I've pictured someone scoring at stamford bridge and sticking the Ukrainian flag in front of dugouts.
 
Ananke said:
Is there a full translation any Russian speakers can get from this please?
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Full translation would be a hassle typing from the phone. To be brief, he is saying that he and his wife are Russian, were born there. It is their state. He can't believe it is Slavs against Slavs. His question to the soldiers is wtf they are doing there? What is their problem? Do not they have problems back in their home countries? Is everyone there rich and happy?
 
harms said:
That's unlikely as well — at least not in a short-term perspective. Russian military losses are restricted — you have to literally count the graves, like journalists did when the whole post-2014 war in the Eastern Ukraine happened, to get a rough estimate.
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He brought a big fecking portable crematorium with him - there’ll be no graves this time.
 
TMDaines said:
They can’t put everyone in jail though, can they? I know it is unlikely, but if there was ever to be the beginning of a revolt in Russia, surely this is the most likely moment in Putin’s Russia?
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Maybe it's just my youth optimism abandoning me, but in 2010-12 it felt like the change could happen — there was free media, opposition politics that looked like a credible alternative, hundreds of thousands of people coming to the streets. Most of the people today are understandably scared to go to a protest — as they can jail a very significant amount of people before the system collapses. More than the activists' core of the protest.

The biggest issue is that the protest, again, comes from the wrong people. It's either the youth (schoolchildren & students) or the privileged upper middle class (the infamous intelligentsia) — for the revolt to actually happen you need the protest to originate from the ground up. Sadly, it isn't happening at the moment — at least I don't see it yet. Maybe in a few months/years where all of the consequences of Putin's mad foreign politics stack up.
 
Paxi said:
He brought a big fecking portable crematorium with him - there’ll be no graves this time.
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Imagine the families of those Russian soldiers back home, who will probably never find out what happened to their relatives that never returned.
 
Water Melon said:
Full translation would be a hassle typing from the phone. To be brief, he is saying that he and his wife are Russian, were born there. It is their state. He can't believe it is Slavs against Slavs. His question to the soldiers is wtf they are doing there? What is their problem? Do not they have problems back in their home countries? Is everyone there rich and happy?
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Yeah, was about to write something similar since on the phone.

Very powerful. I wish all russians who are brainwashed by the state media would watch this.
 
Paxi said:
@harms how true is this? I haven’t been watching Russian news as in no doubt that it will be heavily sanitised.

I have however seen video footage on VK which everyone else can see if they so wished.

Do you think the average Russian knows what’s going on the ground in Ukraine and how far Russian forces have advanced? Obviously it goes without saying that Russian media wouldn’t post even very conservative casualties sustained so no point in even asking.

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Twitter has been working slow for months now — they've slowed it down at some point and then "forgot" to restore the full speed. Both Facebook & Instagram are "partially blocked", whatever it means, since yesterday for a hilarious reason — as they "violate basic human rights and freedoms by blocking access to Russian media" (like RT).

A lot of people get the news on Telegram now, at least in Moscow — and Russian government had tried to block Telegram before and failed miserably. And there are a lot of different popular channels, Ukrainian and Russian, that share that information. Judging by the average age of protestors in the street I would imagine that TikTok plays a huge part in it too.
 
Water Melon said:
Full translation would be a hassle typing from the phone. To be brief, he is saying that he and his wife are Russian, were born there. It is their state. He can't believe it is Slavs against Slavs. His question to the soldiers is wtf they are doing there? What is their problem? Do not they have problems back in their home countries? Is everyone there rich and happy?
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Thank you! Very much appreciated :)
 
harms said:
Twitter has been working slow for months now — they've slowed it down at some point and then "forgot" to restore the full speed. Both Facebook & Instagram are "partially blocked", whatever it means, since yesterday for a hilarious reason — as they "violate basic human rights and freedoms by blocking access to Russian media" (like RT).

A lot of people get the news on Telegram now, at least in Moscow — and Russian government had tried to block Telegram before and failed miserably. And there are a lot of different popular channels, Ukrainian and Russian, that share that information. Judging by the average age of protestors in the street I would imagine that TikTok plays a huge part in it too.
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Thanks for sharing mate. A lot of young people not happy with not able to use Instagram I’d imagine? It’s immensely popular amongst Russians isn’t it?
 
Sarni said:
Really, without threat of nuclear weapons NATO armies would be rolling all over Russia over there right now. It would be over by Monday.
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Putin trying to convince NATO that Russia is not a threat, by showing how shit is the Russian army?
 
Sarni said:
Really, without threat of nuclear weapons NATO armies would be rolling all over Russia over there right now. It would be over by Monday.
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Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
 
RedSky said:
Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
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This is what I wonder, send the first waves with green troops and old machinery which is more expendable. Keep experience and better equipment in the wings as long as possible to maintain the strength of the military.
 
Widow said:
Wait, what?
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I mean what chance do primitive Ukrainians have?
Bepi said:
That’s just the bubbling drink, though… the same newspaper has today a column by Marina Hyde here https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-oligarchs-london-government-putin-donations that goes deeper and shows how oligarchs have settled so well in London. I mean, it is not the moment to make an assessment of their penetration in the UK and in Europe, yet it is a point many will have to cnsider for what happens next, and their role in supporting (maybe unsupporting, from tomorrow?) mad vlad with the complicity of our elites, our parties and our nutters.
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Yeah, Hyde is one of the very best writers. It is a shame she stopped her sport column.
 
RedSky said:
Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
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Seems rather dumb anyway. No matter how old that equipment is it would have still come useful in stabilizing Ukraine afterwards if the goal was to take over the land and install their own government there. Remember with each day Ukraine is getting better equipment as well.
 
RedSky said:
Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
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There were rumours about this yesterday. This video might corroborate them.
 
RedSky said:
Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
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But this would go against the goal of capturing Ukraine (or Kyiv at least) as fast as possible. If Putin has deadlines, anyway.
 
RedSky said:
Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
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It would make sense to send the fodder in first.

This is like deep battle doctrine we’re seeing where a force looks for weaknesses in defence by probing attacks from many different areas. Finally, subsequently finds a a weak point or overstretched defence where the attacking force finally commits larger number of forces to.

That’s my interpretation of what’s might be happening. Of course I’m only parroting it really. Some guys whom have vastly superior knowledge than me are speculating on this very topic.
 
RedSky said:
Makes you wonder if Russia are using the old equipment first so if they are destroyed then it doesn't overly matter hoping it'll get the job done knowing that the newer equipment is in reserve if required.
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The problem with this reasoning is the costs of this taking further time. You would rather roll in and take it over in 2 days then use shit equipment and it take 10 days.
 
Paxi said:
Thanks for sharing mate. A lot of young people not happy with not able to use Instagram I’d imagine? It’s immensely popular amongst Russians isn’t it?
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I'd imagine so — it's certainly one of the most popular social media around.

And yeah, they've started to slow down Twitter today again as well, I've just seen the reports.
 
Early days and I don’t want to be too optimistic but reading up on this from many different angles it seems like Putin has grossly miscalculated, and it’s a war he cannot really win. The big risk is him going after Kyiv with inhuman moves, flattening the city and killing huge number of civilians but that’s something Russia won’t be able to come back from for the next 50 years and I’m not 100% sure he would even be allowed to do that by his generals, hopefully not. There is basically zero chance he can go in, claim the country and stabilize it over the long term. Maybe he thought Ukrainians and Russian minority there would welcome him with open arms, or capitulate quickly, hence the strategy to attack Kyiv on day 2 but this is just not happening and will never happen. They will literally have to kill millions to capture the country and to what end.

Doesn’t seem like China are going to be a big ally in this for him either and to be fair why would they? Would they risk their partnership with the West for a country with GDP half of France?
 
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